"Enemies of the Church" lists
- Since this is from an open site I forward this to you all with the
questions, is this for real? Is this type of "Church" we want to be under?
Much has happened that is just unbelievable. Lord have mercy.
Theodora in The Mountains
Credo.ru, 23-06-06 20:41
Archpriests Dmitri Smirnov and Vsevolod Chaplin suggest placing lists of
the “enemies of the Church” on Internet
The Russian Orthodox Church, Moscow Patriarchate, should start compiling a
list of its enemies and place the information on the Internet, declared the
participants of the Round Table Discussion “Challenges of the time and the
ways of development of the Church life”, which took place at the St. Daniel
Monastery [Headquarters of the DECR - Ed.] on 23 June. Archpriest Dmitri
Smirnov, the Head of the Department of Cooperation with the Armed Forces and
Law and Order Agencies of the Synod of MP, suggested the creation of a site
‘Enemies of the Church’, which would state names, addresses and quotations
from letters/speeches’, the “Weekly Journal” reported.
Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin, Deputy Chairman of the Department of External
Church Relations, Moscow Patriarchate, replied: ‘These lists are already
compiled’. The protection of Church interests should be ‘the focus of joint
efforts and the really mutual cause between Christians,’ he stressed.
Evgenii Nikiforov, Head of the ‘Radonezh’ society, in his turn called
peope to fight ‘multi-culturalism and poli-confessionalism’. He said, ’
Russia is a national Russian Orthodox state. We must stress this point’.
Nikiforov added gay people to the list of enemies of Orthodoxy. He said that
they were ‘part of the globalisation project, whose aim is the
de-Christianisation of the society’.
Archpriest Dmitri Smirnov also said that he places his hopes with the
‘Church-educated youth who carry the pathos of missionary work’.
- Hello again Malcolm, my first reply to you has got lost somewhere in
the system, but you didn't miss anything, just a bit rambling on
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, malcolm robertson
>the urge to chime in on a few points. Your patient indulgence is
> ALHQWS ANESTH (XPICTOC BOCKRECE)
> Warm greetings to all in Christ.
> I have been a lurker on this site for sometime now and do feel
>in themselves (Mal. 2:6-8), to be deemed worthy of double honor (1
> 1. While the clergy are suppose to hold the truth of the faith
Tim 5:16-18; 1 Tim 5:1f) and are to instruct the lost in the way (2
Tim 4:1-3; Tit 1:8-10; 1 Tim 4:5-7), no one should view them as
infallible (1 Tim 4:11-13) - at least not as we do the Apostles (2
Thess. 3:13-15; 2 Tim 3:15-17; Acts 20:27 etc.). They are men too
and accountable to God (James 3:1).
>or isolated society repressed by a godless communist regime.
> 2. The face of Russia is changing. She is no longer a closed
Nevertheless, although Orthodoxy may be the recognized state
religion MOST Russians still consult their horoscopes for daily
guidance instead of the living God who can act (Matt 7:6-12; John
14:13-15). Russia is becoming in this regard much like America -
with it's attendent problems and circumstances. The publishing
houses and individual parishes will be forced to address new,
unheard of, and challeging issues that the world will present in
various forms (1 John 2:18; 1 Tim 4:1-6; 2 Tim 3:1-9 etc.). But the
Word of God abides forever.
>ofttimes is not so. The right of the laity (Christ's sheep) to
> 3. A benighted laity in Orthodoxy should not be the norm. It
question and form opinions is not simply a civil right afforded by
the constituion of the United States for it's citizens but is the
inherant right of any human being - not the least of which and
particularly Christians (Mat 7:15-23; 1 Cor.14:20, 29; Acts 20:27-
38; 2 Tim 2; 1 John 2 :20, 27; also cf Matthew 23). Matthew 7:1-5
does not forbid the formation of an opinion but the self-righteous,
hypocritical condemnation of others.
>conjures up recollections of godless Soviet regime propaganda lists
> 4. I am sure that the phrase "Enemies of the Church list"
and tactics that are still quite pychologically disconcerting to
many of us. However, the Church has always notified it's flock of
the reality and real presence of such individuals. Even so
Patriarch Tikhon did thus. The warnings issued to Israel about the
surrounding godless nations and their abominable practices. The
warnings of Jesus (Matt. 7:15ff; Matt 23: John 14:6; John 10 & 15);
Paul (Philippians 3:17-21 & 3:1-3 et al); Peter (2 Peter 2); Jude;
and John (1 John 2:22f; 4:1-3; 2 John 1:7-10; 3 John 9f). In
addition the early Apostolic Fathers (Papias, Polycarp, Ignatius,
Clement) and Apologists (Justin Martyr and Irenaeus) all spoke
aginst identified "enemies" of the Gospel. Anathemas (the first
issued by Paul (1 Cor. 16:32) have been issued by early Church
councils (Nicea A.D. 325) and since. The infamous heretics Simon
> 8), Nicolaitanes et al (Rev 2 & 3), Cerinthus (Irenaeus 3.3;Eusebius Hist. Eccl, 3.28; 4:14), Marcion (Tertullian, Adv. Marc).,
the Gnostic Basilides (Eusebius, Hist Eccl, 4.7.6-8), and the
Gnostic Valentinus (Irenaeus, Adv Haer. 1.21.4-5; Epiphanius
>lump summing of individuals and organizations under the
> But caution and circumspection must be exercised. A wholesale
word "Enemies" can be quite problematic if not attended with sound
theological reasons. It is one thing to defend the faith (cf Jude
3). It is an entire other thing to adopt and execute with the none
spiritual weapons of the world (cf Eph. 6:10-24).
>and Russian is my mother tongue (although because of necessity
> At any rate I just wanted to chime in. I am of Russian descent
English has the ascendancy). The closest Russian Orthodox
congregation is too far away to be actively involved. Consequently
I attend Church elsewhere.
>different. Just radically better.
> Because He lives,
> Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically
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