Re: [orthodox-synod] Re: Fw: Priest apprehended in Saudi Arabia
- Vova Lutchenkov wrote:
> Wow!JRS: I wasn't aware I was avoiding anything. Perhaps I misunderstood what you were looking
> That must have been the best avoidance of answering a simple question
> that I have seen on this list to date!
for in a reply.
> Since you did not respond directly to my inquiry it appears that weJRS: Without going back to look up the exact wording, I understood your question as being:
> should not be concerned about orthodox folks that are not in the MP
> or ROCOR.
"Should we not be as concerned about our fellow Orthodox Christians, as about some
Malankara (Syriac rite) Catholics in trouble in Saudi Arabia?"
So my first point is that I was concerned, primarily, with the fact that Christianity is
punishable (by death) in Saudi Arabia. I forwarded the posting, written by someone else, for
Perhaps I should not have forwarded that message at all. I was not thinking of the situation
in Russia when I forwarded it.
But: "Should we pray for the Suzdalites who lost a church building to the MP?"
We should pray for everyone, and I myself do not pray "that" something happen, but only
"pomyani Gospodi..." with names.
Of course, I don't know the names of any of these (in my view, misdirected) Suzdalites.
> By the way wasJRS: As I understand it, the decision (it may only have been a proposal) to "table" three points
> this action taken by the same group of hierarchs that told our Synod
> that property issues/claims around the world including Russia have
> been tabled for now or at least till the end of the Sobor?
for a "grace period" did not come from either hierarchy (ROCOR or MP), but from the bilateral
commissions that have been discussing these things.
There were 3 points on which the committees were having difficulty reaching a consensus,
and the idea was that leaving them open, for now, may allow them to sort themselves out.
> Ah, I am so looking forward to "Peace in our time."JRS: Don't hold your breath.
> And as a response to Father John's selective cut and paste VovaJRS: I don't have time to research that and try to find out what you mean.
> responds with:
> Vova: Now we are concerned about an impartial source. What about
> the source that Father Alexander used back in November of 2005 to
> launch what appears now to be a failed attempt at "disinformatsiya'.
But I am concerned, when intelligent people take a biased source for an unbiased one.
Previously (but mostly on other lists) I have been accused of "not answering the question",
and the like; which meant that someone held to an entirely different view of a given
ecclesiastical situation than I did.
Mostly, these were followers of HOCNA. But more recently, it seems like the "alternative
reality" is the one put forward by "Nasha Strana", by "Russia-Talk", and similar sources. These
sources often give an incredibly distorted view of the situation in Russia and in the Russian
> PS. Recent information has revealed that she was not Persian butJRS: Such information must have come from links in Russia.
> Georgian. Most likely already orthodox and from a civilization more
> ancient and civilized than those Don Cossacks.
I am wondering if you recognize yet, whom you've been corresponding with? We go back a
Perhaps you remember our talks about the Cossacks, 30+ years ago? About the
A lot was different then.
As for spelling of names, I have made numerous efforts to get them to spell Dima's name
correctly in the Sobor listings.
They had it down first as "Lushchenko", then "Lutschenkov", and it was only after a ZABA.com
search, that I was even sure who it was.
Bishop Peter (also a Cossack) had heard that Dima was pro-reconciliation. But who knows:
one Cossack trait is a kind of mischievous playfulness, almost of "playing the devil's
Vladyka Nikon predicted that one day, communism would fall, ROCOR and the Church in
Russia would reunite (and that the center would again be in Russia), and the monarchy
Fr. John R. Shaw