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Re: [orthodox-synod] Re: [rocaclergy] RE: letter to V.Rev. Ilya Gorsky

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  • Miller
    Who is Richard? I am most weary of the sarcasm and nastiness, no matter who is right or wrong. FrJM ... From: Richard To:
    Message 1 of 5 , Jan 1, 2006
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      Who is Richard?

      I am most weary of the sarcasm and nastiness, no matter who is
      right or wrong.

      FrJM

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Richard" <rchrdmason@...>
      To: <orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:24 PM
      Subject: [orthodox-synod] Re: [rocaclergy] RE: letter to V.Rev.
      Ilya Gorsky


      > --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, "vkozyreff" <vladimir.
      > kozyreff@s...> wrote:
      >>
      >> Dear Father John,
      >>
      >> Your write: If they do not mind falsely besmirching the
      > reputations
      >> of our hierarchs and loyal clergy, then "thou shalt not bear
      > false
      >> witness" and the rest of the 10 Commandments, play no role
      > for them;
      >> and they are foreign to Christian charity.
      >>
      >> It is a particularly exquisite treat to hear from a supporter
      >> of the
      >> union with sergianism, that its opponents bear false witness.
      > We have
      >> been told at lenghth by Father Alexander Lebedeff that only
      > armchair
      >> dreamers could believe that the Church might have been
      > saved without
      >> false witnesses.
      >>
      >> In Christ,
      >>
      >> Vladimir Kozyreff
      >
      >
      > Fr. John's observation about bearing false witness stands right
      > on. You not only attributed an asserion to Fr. John that he
      > didn't
      > originate, but it's a distortion of what was actually written.
      > Earlier
      > in October in post #15262, Fr. John quoted the "Epistle to the
      > Flock" by the Synod of Bishops of the ROCOR in 1933. The
      > epistle states...
      >
      > "We are taking fully into account the extraordinary
      > difficulties of
      > the position of Metropolitan Sergius, who is now the de facto
      > head of the Church of Russia, and are aware of the heavy
      > burden of responsibility for the fate of the latter, which lies
      > upon
      > him. No one, therefore, has the audacity to accuse him for the
      > mere attempt to enter into dialogue with the Soviet regime so
      > as
      > to obtain legal standing for the Church of Russia. Not without
      > foundation does the deputy locum tenens of the Patriarchal
      > Throne say in his aforementioned Declaration that only
      > "armchair dreamers can think that such a vast community as our
      > Orthodox Church, with all its organization, can exist
      > peacefully in
      > a country while walling itself off from the authorities."
      >
      > In Christ,
      > Richard.
      >
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    • Fr. Alexander Lebedeff
      ... This is about the umpteenth time that Vladimir has misquoted me (talk about bearing false witness!) and attributed to me words that are not mine at all,
      Message 2 of 5 , Jan 4, 2006
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        Vladimir Kozyreff wrote:


        >We have
        >been told at lenghth by Father Alexander Lebedeff that only armchair
        >dreamers could believe that the Church might have been saved without
        >false witnesses.


        This is about the umpteenth time that Vladimir has misquoted me (talk
        about bearing false witness!) and attributed to me words that are not
        mine at all, but were quoted from the Epistle of the Sobor of Bishops
        of the Church Abroad in 1933, as has been pointed out by another
        member of this list.

        That Epistle (again -- NOT my words) stated:

        "We are taking fully into account the extraordinary
        > difficulties of
        > the position of Metropolitan Sergius, who is now the de facto
        > head of the Church of Russia, and are aware of the heavy
        > burden of responsibility for the fate of the latter, which lies
        > upon
        > him. No one, therefore, has the audacity to accuse him for the
        > mere attempt to enter into dialogue with the Soviet regime so
        > as
        > to obtain legal standing for the Church of Russia. Not without
        > foundation does the deputy locum tenens of the Patriarchal
        > Throne say in his aforementioned Declaration that only
        > "armchair dreamers can think that such a vast community as our
        > Orthodox Church, with all its organization, can exist
        > peacefully in
        > a country while walling itself off from the authorities."

        With love in Christ,

        Prot. Alexander Lebedeff


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