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[orthodox-synod] Re: American Church Politics.

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  • John Hoyle
    Father Andrew, I sympathize with the point that you are trying to make, but to abandon the ideal vision of the Church as implied by Christ is to settle for
    Message 1 of 4 , Jan 3, 2000
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      Father Andrew,
      I sympathize with the point that you are trying to make, but to abandon the
      ideal vision of the Church as implied by Christ is to settle for spiritual
      malaise and ecclesial mediocrity, at best. I think there is no brand of
      Orthodoxy that is free the sin of man and this is perhaps what needs to be
      discussed. What is clear to me, in my limited view of things, is that
      certain Orthodox churches more fully resonate the Truth that is Christ than
      others. This is a fact that it would be dangerous to minimize.
      -----Original Message-----
      From: fraese <fraese@...>
      To: orthodox-synod@egroups.com <orthodox-synod@egroups.com>
      Date: Monday, January 03, 2000 5:04 PM
      Subject: [orthodox-synod] Re: American Church Politics.


      >
      >----- Original Message -----
      >From: <LJames6034@...>
      >To: <orthodox-synod@egroups.com>
      >Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 9:16 AM
      >Subject: [orthodox-synod] Re: American Church Politics.
      >
      >
      >> Work out your own salvation in fear and trembling. "The Orthodox
      >Church,"
      >> as such, may be a persistent delusion. Those who keep looking for the
      >> Perfect, One, True Church without spot or wrinkle, without blemish, are
      >> looking for what is not.
      >>
      >>
      >> Father Andrew
      >>
      >Father, isn't this being too cynical? Christ said, I will build my church
      >and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. (Indirect quote, sorry,
      >I don't have the reference.) This church is true, and perfect, and without
      >spot or wrinkle. If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, would not
      >imperfection be also in the eye of the beholder? :)
      >Theodora (of the Prairies)
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    • fraese
      ... From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 9:16 AM Subject: [orthodox-synod] Re: American Church
      Message 2 of 4 , Jan 3, 2000
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        ----- Original Message -----
        From: <LJames6034@...>
        To: <orthodox-synod@egroups.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 9:16 AM
        Subject: [orthodox-synod] Re: American Church Politics.


        > Work out your own salvation in fear and trembling. "The Orthodox
        Church,"
        > as such, may be a persistent delusion. Those who keep looking for the
        > Perfect, One, True Church without spot or wrinkle, without blemish, are
        > looking for what is not.
        >
        >
        > Father Andrew
        >
        Father, isn't this being too cynical? Christ said, I will build my church
        and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. (Indirect quote, sorry,
        I don't have the reference.) This church is true, and perfect, and without
        spot or wrinkle. If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, would not
        imperfection be also in the eye of the beholder? :)
        Theodora (of the Prairies)
      • Mark Markish
        ... for the ... are ... Since the inception of the Orthodox Internet, people never cease to marvel how the very important truths surface through seemingly
        Message 3 of 4 , Jan 4, 2000
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          > > "The Orthodox Church,"
          > > as such, may be a persistent delusion. Those who keep looking
          for the
          > > Perfect, One, True Church without spot or wrinkle, without blemish,
          are
          > > looking for what is not.
          >
          > ...isn't this being too cynical? Christ said, I will build my church
          > and the gates of hell will not prevail against it...
          > This Church is true, and perfect, and without spot or wrinkle.

          Since the inception of the Orthodox Internet, people never cease to
          marvel
          how the very important truths surface through seemingly insignificant
          exchange of messages.

          Of course the Church is true, and perfect, and without spot or wrinkle,
          --
          -- even though, unfortunately, we do not live up to her beauty. If we
          forget people's imperfection (aka sin), we cannot grasp the history of
          the
          Church, from forefather Adam to December 22, 1999. As soon as we take
          it
          into account, everything makes sense.

          _Exactly_the_same_ applies to postings on this list!

          Glory be to our God.
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