Re: Digest Number 1583
- Dear Mike,
I think you misinterpret the meaning of "little Russia". If you
consider the term "Ukraine" as better from the angle of Ukrainian
nationalists, you are mistaken. "Ukraine" stresses this land's
Russianness, as it means "the border-territory (of Russia)". Russians
have never had any "haughty" attitude towards Ukrainians. There are
so many of them living in Russia, feeling Russians, married to Great-
Russians. As a Russian, I am perfectly at home in the Ukraine, etc.
As you may konw, when ancient Greece extended its influence to
Southern Italy, the latter became known as "Great Greece", little
Greece being then the metropolis.
You know that Russia's history begins in Kiev, and that Kievian "Rus"
extended to the present Northern Russia. The term "Russia" (Rossya)
is relatively recent (XVIII century) . Nobody disputes the fact that
the persent "Ukraine" was "Rus"(Kiev was the capital of Rus) before
it was conquered by the Tatars, Turks and Poles.
We are all under an active anti-Russian propaganda. The US are still
aiming at containing Russia and dividing Russia as much as it can,
and at preventing any rapprochement with the EU. What Russia did in
the Ukraine is not worse than what the US did there to support
Youschenko and did previously in Russia to have Yeltsin elected, for
instance. Remember, "Russia has no friends".
I do not share your negative assessment of Russia's regime returning
to State authority. The State must be assertive there. What is
negative indeed, is the fact that Communism is still part of the
culture, and that people will not reject it. I have nothing against
socialism, but I am against criminal states. The problem is that the
West forgives or ignores the crimes against mankind, because Russia
adopted the "market economy" which, by the way, has thrown 70% of
families with children into poverty (less that 2 dollars income a
The MP too has adopted market economy and remains silent about the
genocide committed by the communist.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, mik opar <mikross53@y...>
> (Unlike Poland and the Baltic states, Russia lacks a key source
> power": a united body of ethnic expatriates who can be relied on tosupport
> the mother country's policies in places like Washington. But thiscould
> change in the very near future. Moscow may bring into its sphere ofemigre
> influence what used to be a key ideological base for the Kremlin's
> foes, the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia, or ROCOR. TheKremlin and
> the domestic, Kremlin-dominated Russian Orthodox Church could gaina new
> seal of moral and historical legitimacy at a time when Russia facesgrowing
> criticism for its swing toward authoritarianism.of
> In the 1920s, when the Bolsheviks were jailing or killing thousands
> Orthodox Christians, a small group of refugee bishops formed whatwhile
> eventually became ROCOR. That body inherited or founded hundreds of
> parishes among Russian emigres in Western Europe and the Americas,
> seeing its own existence as temporary. Its position has always beenthat
> once the domestic Moscow Patriarchate clearly renounced certaintoxic
> habits adopted under Soviet pressure, the Russian church shouldreunite.
> One of those habits is "Sergyanism," named after the tame bishop
> Stalin as patriarch of Moscow. Under Sergy and his successors, thedomestic
> church's top clergy systematically collaborated with a regime thatcontinued to
> systematically persecuted the church's own members. The habit
> the end of Soviet rule and beyond. Critics of the MoscowPatriarchate note
> that to this day, it collaborates with tyrants such as the currentrulers
> of Belarus and Turkmenistan, as well as with Russia's siloviki.Sergyanism
> lives on, observe these critics, not just as past history thechurch has
> never repented, but as unreformed present reality.)protestantism, but in my reading and opinion, I have to question
> I am a but a recent convert, to the ROCOR, from american baptist
historic Russian attitudes and actual history. Look what Russia has
recently done to the elections in Ukraine, and the Russian attitude
towards Ukraine (..little russians...) as they are called.
>the issues. My impetus for joining ROCOR, is the keeping of the
> This haughty attitude toward others is uncalled for and only clouds
Church calendar (and rejection of the Masonic new calendar (really,
there are Uniates for a reason, if you must celebrate Latin Christmas
only, then why bother with the OCA and Antiochian, at least , I
think , that the Uniate diocese' are a little more honest in this
regard...!) I visited a 'russian" Orthodox church in Bathleham ,PA
and found the Priest and Deacon and Read with the 'catholic' cleric
collar on, they read the wrong scripture (NS), and not one woman had
a covering on her head. What right do they have calling
this "russian", even pews just like any other Latin church.
Nevertheless, to say I was dissappointed is touching the Tip of their
iceburg, Mike Wurzbacher Transfiguration ROC
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