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  • fraese
    The following is a poem with something to think about. I have not heard of the author before, or when and where this was written. IT TAKES A VILLAGE by Glenn
    Message 1 of 4 , Dec 1, 1999
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      The following is a poem with something to think about. I have not heard of
      the author before, or when and where this was written.

      IT TAKES A VILLAGE
      by Glenn Conjurske

      It takes a village (so we're told), to raise a child today.
      It takes a village (we reply), to steal his heart away.
      To purge old-fashioned do's and don'ts from his enlightened mind
      to leave old fashioned Ma and Pa, a hundred years behind.

      It takes a village, verily, to teach some mother's son
      To steal and gamble, smoke and swear, and vandalize for fun.
      His mother didn't teach him that! His father? No, not he!
      It takes a village to corrupt, a village verily.

      It takes a village, this we know, to teach the maidens sweet,
      To dress and act, to look and talk, like women of the street.
      It takes a village, not a doubt, to teach a maiden mild,
      To save the monkeys, owls, and whales, yet kill her unborn child.

      It takes a village public school, some subtle class room chats,
      To teach the little boys and girls to act like alley cats.
      To teach them of the birds and bees, without morality,
      to teach them what to do and how, and tell them they are free.

      It takes a village, yes indeed, to brainwash all our youth,
      With notions and with fallacies, in place of sense and truth.
      Abortion rights! The right to die! the rights of animals!
      Creative spelling! Unisex! the rights of criminals!

      It takes a village, well we know, to turn their minds awry.
      To stand for fancied "Children's rights," and parent's rights deny.
      To honor human nature less, and trees and rivers more.
      To sacrifice to Mother Earth, and Father God ignore.
      "It takes a village," so they say, but something more they mean.
      United Nations, Washington, The Liberal machine.
      Society, the "Brave New World," the socialist scheme.
      The global ideology; It's here.....The New World Order Dream!
      ____________________

      I have read sometimes about saints or the righteous ones, that often their
      parents would not allow them to associate with the neighbourhood children.
      This has given me courage to be stricter with my own children in this
      incredibly permissive and amoral society.

      Theodora
    • Patrick Barrett
      ... of ... Well, I get a little tired of people being so indignant about the title of Ms. Clinton s book. It s a perfectly good African proverb, and I think
      Message 2 of 4 , Dec 1, 1999
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        On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:52:28 -0700, fraese wrote:

        > The following is a poem with something to think about. I have not heard
        of
        > the author before, or when and where this was written.
        >
        > IT TAKES A VILLAGE
        > by Glenn Conjurske
        >
        > It takes a village (so we're told), to raise a child today.
        > It takes a village (we reply), to steal his heart away.
        > To purge old-fashioned do's and don'ts from his enlightened mind
        > to leave old fashioned Ma and Pa, a hundred years behind.

        Well, I get a little tired of people being so
        indignant about the title of Ms. Clinton's book.
        It's a perfectly good African proverb, and I
        think it's quite true. A child ought to have not
        just his mother and father, but a whole "village"
        looking out for him. That "village" may be your
        parish; maybe your neighborhood is not the right
        "village", and certainly the government isn't.
        But it is unnatural and unhealthy for a child
        to grow up with only his nuclear family taking
        an interest in him; ideally he should have
        grandparents, aunts and uncles, cousins and
        neighbors all taking part in his upbringing. If
        these people are likely to subvert the way you're
        bringing him up, well, fine, but don't blame the
        proverb.

        Patrick Barrett
        patrikios@...




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      • Dr. Elizabeth W. Riggs
        I think I was the one who originally sent that poem in. While I agree with Patrick that the entire extended family and friendship system are needed to help
        Message 3 of 4 , Dec 8, 1999
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          I think I was the one who originally sent that poem in.

          While I agree with Patrick that the entire extended family and friendship
          system are needed to help raise children, that poem expresses some very
          important things to think about. Ms. Clinton's original intent seems to me
          to have involved the "dumbing down" of values to the lowest common
          denominator. These include promotion of abortion and of birth control
          methods rather than abstinence; the "all religions are basically the same"
          agenda; and the supplantation of community values (the "state's" definition
          of community, that is) for those of the family.

          Frankly, I don't accept the prevalent values in my physical neighborhood (I
          live in the middle of an area infested by drugs and gangs). And, as most of
          you have found, our Orthodox values are not those of our society.

          I'll agree to that proverb only to the extent that a "village" is defined as
          a group of people who hold the same values, not some amorphous society
          defined by a remote civil government.

          Yours in Christ,
          Elizabeth Riggs, a sinner
          and Perennial Student
          **********************************************************
          http://www.mindspring.com/~ewriggs/church.htm
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          Our Lady, the Joy of All Who Sorrow Church (ROCOR)
          Cumming, GA USA (Atlanta, GA area)
          http://www.avana.net/~fralexis
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          Glory to Jesus Christ! Glory Forever!
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          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Patrick Barrett <patrikios@...>
          To: <orthodox-synod@egroups.com>
          Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 01:39 PM
          Subject: [orthodox-synod] Re: it takes a village


          > On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:52:28 -0700, fraese wrote:
          >
          > > The following is a poem with something to think about. I have not heard
          > of
          > > the author before, or when and where this was written.
          > >
          > > IT TAKES A VILLAGE
          > > by Glenn Conjurske
          > >
          > > It takes a village (so we're told), to raise a child today.
          > > It takes a village (we reply), to steal his heart away.
          > > To purge old-fashioned do's and don'ts from his enlightened mind
          > > to leave old fashioned Ma and Pa, a hundred years behind.
          >
          > Well, I get a little tired of people being so
          > indignant about the title of Ms. Clinton's book.
          > It's a perfectly good African proverb, and I
          > think it's quite true. A child ought to have not
          > just his mother and father, but a whole "village"
          > looking out for him. That "village" may be your
          > parish; maybe your neighborhood is not the right
          > "village", and certainly the government isn't.
          > But it is unnatural and unhealthy for a child
          > to grow up with only his nuclear family taking
          > an interest in him; ideally he should have
          > grandparents, aunts and uncles, cousins and
          > neighbors all taking part in his upbringing. If
          > these people are likely to subvert the way you're
          > bringing him up, well, fine, but don't blame the
          > proverb.
          >
          > Patrick Barrett
          > patrikios@...
          >
          >
          >
          >
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        • Mary
          I agree with you that the proverb is a good one. However, Ms. Clinton has twisted it into something to be distrusted. If you are upset about the reaction to
          Message 4 of 4 , Dec 8, 1999
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            I agree with you that the proverb is a good one. However, Ms. Clinton has
            twisted it into something to be distrusted. If you are upset about the
            reaction to this, please, place the responsibility for it where it
            belongs...

            Mary
            St. John Maximovitch Orthodox Mission
            Austin, Tx
            http:/lonestar.texas.net/~kak/index.htm
            >
            > Well, I get a little tired of people being so
            > indignant about the title of Ms. Clinton's book.
            > It's a perfectly good African proverb, and I
            > think it's quite true. A child ought to have not
            > just his mother and father, but a whole "village"
            > looking out for him. That "village" may be your
            > parish; maybe your neighborhood is not the right
            > "village", and certainly the government isn't.
            > But it is unnatural and unhealthy for a child
            > to grow up with only his nuclear family taking
            > an interest in him; ideally he should have
            > grandparents, aunts and uncles, cousins and
            > neighbors all taking part in his upbringing. If
            > these people are likely to subvert the way you're
            > bringing him up, well, fine, but don't blame the
            > proverb.
            >
            > Patrick Barrett
            > patrikios@...
            >
            >
            >
            >
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