9972Re: A change of topic, please!
- Jan 4, 2004Dear Father Stefan, bless.
Considering the many hot confrontations that have taken place on this
forum, I think it is appropriate to glorify God whenever, as now, we
agree with one another in defending the purity of orthodoxy against
those who attack it, in this particular case, our fellow Russian, the
I think that this is more than just a social discussion about cinema.
I do not want to take any undue advantage from agreeing with you
about a film, but I am sure that if we were to scrap a little more
the surface, we would find much deeper agreement than many would
expect between many of us that consider themselves as antagonists of
one another. May God help us to dig in that direction.
As you, I am proud about the Russian creativity and scientific
achievements. From what I found however, the Russian invention of
aerostation, which would have taken place, by the way, much later
than in Rubliev's time, about 50 years before the Montgolfier
experiment, might be a forgery, as seen below. The Russian inventor
might have been a German in fact. If it is so (I do not claim to have
a final opinion on the subject), let us disseminate the news, as
nothing can serve Russia better than the truth. She is sufficiently
glorious on her own. In aeronautics, she might have to content
herself with her sputniks, Tsiolkovsky, Sikorsky, Joukovsky, and a
Unfortunately, in sciences as in spirituality, Russians have reached
historical records both in lying and in proclaiming the truth. The
Lyssenko affair (see below) is about one of the mot shameful deceits
by Soviet scientists.
It looks as though Russia can be only the best or the worst of all
nations. In spite of all, she is our beloved country. Let us pray God
that he help her to become only true.
In 1956 the book "Documents on the history of aeronautics and
aircraft in the USSR " was published. In the chapter
entitled "Aeronautics and aircraft in Russia until 1907", the story
of Kryakutnoy, who allegedly first-ever travelled in a balloon is
reported. This is given as the proof that the Russian were first in
the field of aeronautics.
Incidentally, the process that created this nonexistent character is
well-known to the experts. As D.S. Likhachov reports, in the
chronicle's text "in 1731 in Ryazan under voyevod "podyachy"
nyeretkhtiets Kryakutnoy Furvin made a big balloon, inflated it with
a nasty and smelly smoke", it could be established by photographic
researches, that the word "nierekhtiets" is written on top of the
word "niemiets" (German), and the surname "Kryakutnoy" covers the
word "kreschenoy", as if to the surname "Furvin" a correction was
made to the initial "Furtsel". Despite the protests by experts,
Kryakutnoy continued his triumphal procession in the pages of the
scientific and popular scientific literature until the last decade of
the XXst century.
Historical stories and mythology of the XXst century, Yury Shatin,
The Novosibirsk state pedagogical university, Criticism and
semiotics. May, 2002. pp. 100-108
Scientific forgery in general, and Lyssenko specifically
However, ideologies are not in themselves passive inert forms of
consciousness but are part and parcel of practical and symbolic
activities ; they federate interests, galvanize passions, permeate
institutions and sometimes become official through State action.
Consequently, their reaction to scientific news is often biased and
is aimed at either confirming or refuting it. In extreme cases, as
history has often shown, ideologies turn some items of information
into dogma and declare war on others.
The Lyssenko case is still the classic example of this. As, in the
USSR of the middle of this century, " Mendel-Morgan genetics" were
considered incompatible with Party and State philosophy, they were
totally censored for nearly twenty years, with disastrous
consequences in many fields....
Ideologies thus emerge as very powerful selective distorting factors
in the transmission of scientific news, the more so as they bias the
judgement, not only of the public but also of journalists, and even
in large measure that of many scientists...
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Archpriest Stefan Pavlenko"
> I thought it (the film about "Rubliev") was a blasphemy, and anreally
> attempt to prove the triumph of "dvoe-veria" (mixture of pagan and
> Christian faith) over Orthodoxy in Russia!
> Archpriest Stefan Pavlenko
> PS: It is though, a historical FACT that it was a Russian who first
> flew in the air in a Lighter that air/hot air balloon!!!
> --- In email@example.com, "vkozyreff"
> <vladimir.kozyreff@s...> wrote:
> > Dear List,
> > Speaking about Tarkovsky's Rubliov, I am not sure the film is
> > orthodox. It is certainly not historical. If I remember, thescript
> > goes that monk Andreï Roublev is chosen to paint frescos in athat
> > cathedral, but he is disturbed by the subject: he cannot admit
> > God takes revenge on his creatures at the dread Judgement. Movedby
> > the faith of original Christianity, he believes in a God of loveand
> > of pardon, and this condemns him to loneliness and doubt.monachism
> > I do not think that Tarkovsky had a good knowledge of what
> > and orthodoxy are about. Who told him that the Church did teachthe
> > vision against which his Rubliov struggled? Who told him thatit
> > believing in a God of love threw him, an orthodox monk, into
> > loneliness? The MP?
> > In fact, this film was not totally disagreeable to the regime, as
> > gave a negative idea of the Church and presented Rubliev as akind of
> > protestant in rebellion against the Church and composing hispersonal
> > orthodoxy. Considering that Rubliov painted among the mostbeautiful
> > and most orthodox icons and frescoes, the film, whatever thetalent
> > of the author is almost a sacrilege. Please, Messrs. the non-orthodox
> > film directors, keep your hands off orthodoxy before you convert.its
> > As you know, the regime was an expert in managing "dissidence" to
> > benefit (Vysotsky, Akhudjava, etc.)of
> > I confess that I saw the film a very long time ago, but the scent
> > it was very little orthodox and very much soviet in my memory.Kadloubovsky
> > In God,
> > Vladimir Kozyreff
> > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Gerald Herrin
> > <geraldherrin@e...> wrote:
> > > I am pleased to answer this, or at least give my opinion:
> > >
> > > 1) The Northern Thebaid: Monastic Saints of the Russian North
> > > 2) Early Fathers from the Philokalia, translated by E.
> > andof
> > > G.E,H. Palmer
> > > 3) Any of the biographies of the Optina Elders
> > > 4) Dostoevsky.... Crime and Punishment, The Demons, and the
> > Brothers
> > > Karamazov
> > > 5) Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (not Orthodox,
> > > course, but still one of the finest histories of the laterRoman
> > EmpireFellini's
> > > in English)
> > > 6) Saint Augustine's Confessions
> > > 7) and could I watch Andrei Tarkovsky's Andrei Rublev and
> > Laones
> > > Strada on this desert island?
> > >
> > > My suggestions for myself ....
> > >
> > > Isaac (Gerald) Herrin
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, December 30, 2003, at 09:45 AM, Olga wrote:
> > >
> > > > Therefore, I propose a change of topic:
> > > > If you were stuck on a desert island, besides the Gospel, of
> > course,
> > > > which Orthodox books would you want to have with you? The
> > thatinspiring, the
> > > > you find particularly close to your heart, the most
> > > > most enlightening, the most moving!
> > >
> > >
> > > Gerald Herrin
> > > geraldherrin@e...
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