7572Re: [orthodox-synod] Baptism of heretics
- Feb 3, 2003
> JRS had written:what
> At the 1971 Sobor in Montreal (I was there, incidentally, as the
> secretary of Archbishop Nikon of blessed memory, and heard exactly
> the discussion had been on the day that decision was passed, from himFr. Gregory Williams wrote:
> that evening) -- an *attempt* was made, to pass such a rule, changing
> the way in which converts were to be received into the Church.
> However, Archbishop Afanassy firmly rejected the change (and it may be
> of interest that he was the one who in 1983 suggested the "anathema
> against ecumenism").
> Therefore, the bishops never forbade the reception of converts by
> chrismation. The matter was still left open, up to the local bishop.
> And it is thus even now, today.
> Well, it's obviously always possible to read things more than oneway, but,
> assuming the following decree is not a forgery, it would seem that theopen, up
> intent of its last paragraph is quite different from a matter "left
> to the local bishop."preserve
> --- from Living Orthodoxy, #113:
> FROM THE DECREES OF THE SOBOR OF BISHOPS OF THE ROCA, SEPTEMBER 1971
> CONCERNING THE BAPTISM OF HERETICS (SEPT. 15/28)
> With regard to Roman Catholics and those Protestants who claim to
> baptism as a sacrament (for example, the Lutherans), in Russia sincethe
> time of Peter I the practice was introduced of receiving them withoutProtestants
> baptism, through a renunciation of heresy and the chrismation of
> and unconfirmed Catholics. Before Peter, Catholics were baptized inRussia.
JRS: This entire text was, of course, written by Protopresbyter George
Grabbe (to those who knew him and his writings, the style is
unmistakable, even if I had not been present myself when all of this
However, here he has made a misleading statement: before the time of
Peter the Great, Roman Catholics had been baptized, but only over a
period of about 20 years, as Fr. Alexander has demonstrated. Before
that, they were *not* baptized.
only in case of necessity and with the permission
> of the bishop allowing, for reasons of economy or pastoralcondescension,
> any other practice with regard to certain persons i.e., thereception into
> the Church of Roman Catholics and those Protestants baptized in thename of
> the Holy Trinity, through a repudiation of heresy and chrismation.JRS: You can argue about this all you want, but the fact remains that
*I was there*, and that on the evening of the day that the actual
*decision* was made (at the urging of Fr. George Grabbe, who in turn
did this to please then-archimandrite Panteleimon of HTM)-- the Vice-
President of the Synod of Bishops explained the matter to me fully.
Fr. John R. Shaw
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