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7309Re: [orthodox-synod] the antique calendar

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  • Kiril Bart
    Jan 2, 2003
      Jan for you to understand what issuies are important
      in calendar change you should be rather knowledgable
      in church services, are you competent to discuss it
      from liturgical point of view?
      Subdeacon Kirill
      --- "Jan Rogozinski <jan814@...>"
      <jan814@...> wrote:
      > I keep hoping someone will explain to me, before I
      > die, this
      > obsession with the "calendar." But I guess no one
      > ever will.
      > Some "orthodox Christians" just take it for granted
      > that we have to
      > use the same calendar Czar Nicholas used. When
      > asked to explain why,
      > they say, "just because" or "kinda because."
      > Any calendar is a human invention. From God's point
      > of view, there
      > is no calendar. There merely is today, between the
      > rising and the
      > setting of the sun. We may decide to call that
      > portion of
      > time "January 2" or we may decided to call it "yzot
      > nubza." As we
      > choose. It does not matter.
      > It happens that the earth goes around the sun in a
      > certain set number
      > of seconds every year. So that the winter equinox
      > and the spring
      > equinox reoccur every year after the passing of a
      > certain number of
      > seconds. It also happens that the Christian
      > (Gregorian) way of
      > counting reflects that fact accurately, so that the
      > date on which the
      > equinoxes occur is the same every year. The Pagan
      > calendar of the
      > Emperor Julius does not reflect hat fact as
      > accurately as does the
      > Christian Calendar. The error is very small. But
      > after 2,000
      > years, it has mounted up to 14 days.
      > The Orthodox Churches never have had their own
      > calendar. The
      > Orthodox goal is to make time holy, to make the day
      > holy whatever
      > human words are used to refer to the time between
      > the rising and the
      > setting of the sun.
      > Orthodox Bishops and laymen simply accepted the
      > calender of whatever
      > country they lived in. Hence, in the Roman empire
      > in the 4th
      > century, they simply took over the calendar of the
      > [pagan] government
      > existing at that time. Now the government uses the
      > "Gregorian"
      > calendar, which is superior to the "Julian"
      > calendar. Why not simply
      > use it, exactly as the fathers for the ecumenical
      > council accepted
      > the calendar used by the government of their own
      > day?
      > Some folk are thrown off because the accurate
      > calendar is
      > called "Gregorian" after Pope Gregory. But Pope
      > Gregory did not make
      > up the calendar. He simply paid the salaries of the
      > scientists that
      > calculated the revised and superior calendar.
      > Just as King James did not personally translate the
      > scriptures. It's
      > called the "King James venison" because heterodox
      > King James paid the
      > salaries for the heterodox clergymen that pulled
      > together the
      > translation.
      > Speaking of which, I find it astonishing that many
      > of the
      > same "orthodox" bishops that refuse to use the
      > Georgian calendar at
      > the same time allow their priests to use the
      > heterodox King James
      > Version in the liturgy. Any calendar purely is a
      > matter of science
      > having nothing to do with religion or the worship
      > for God. The
      > translation for the scriptures is directly related
      > to religion. And
      > the King James version is a mendacious piece of
      > propaganda that
      > deliberately mistranslates the scriptures to
      > "prove" the truth of
      > Calvinist theology. And Calvinist theology is, of
      > course, precise
      > the exact the opposite of what Orthodox and Catholic
      > Christians
      > believe.
      > As I say, no one ever has offered to explain to me
      > why modern
      > Christians should continue to use an inaccurate
      > calendar. The
      > calendar of emperor Julius never was "adopted" by
      > any church
      > council. The Fathers simply used it because it was
      > there. They
      > understood that the calendar is a matter of secular
      > science about
      > which bishops know nothing. And they also
      > understood that it simply
      > does not matter what word one uses to label the
      > space between the
      > rising and the setting of the sun.
      > What matters is what kind of life one lives between
      > the rising and
      > the setting of the sun.
      > I always am always willing to learn. If someone
      > can explain why we
      > ought to use the Pagan calendar of Emperor Julius
      > instead of the
      > Christian calendar of Pope Gregory, then please
      > explain it to me.
      > If your explanation makes sense, I'll agree with it.
      > And if not, not.
      > But simply to assert the superiority of the Julian
      > calendar without
      > offering any explanation won't do. For one thing,
      > asserting without
      > explaining is extremely and extraordinarily arrogant
      > and thus hardly
      > a Christian way of behaving.
      > Jan Rogozinski

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