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5935RE: [orthodox-synod] Communion with the Serbian Church

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  • vladimir kozyreff
    Jun 19, 2002

      October 15/ 28, 1986
      The Serbian patriarch himself, in the words of Fr. Justin Popovich, had
      become the leader of 300 protestant churches by being a president of the
      World Council of Churches.
      under the leadership of the late Metropolitan Philaret of Blessed Memory,
      was the anathema against ecumenism and modernism issued by our Synodal
      The Anathema . states openly that it is against "those who" promote
      ecumenism in word and deed..
      .the Serbian Church by its own arbitrary actions has fallen under our
      Synod's anathema against ecumenism.
      Friendship .can be strengthened, forgotten or violated; doctrinal truth
      remains constant and unchanging.
      If we have true friendship with ecclesiastical bodies it is because we share
      the same confession of faith. Indeed, true friendship demands that we point
      out something that may be harmful or detrimental.
      The Serbian Church has offended our friendship by asking us to condone their
      violation of the canonical and doctrinal norms of the Church.
      Even in the times of persecution in the past, the Church never condoned
      doctrinal deviations. External conditions, including persecution, cannot
      determine what the Church teaches.

      In God

      Vladimir Kozyreff

      -----Message d'origine-----
      De : Hristofor [mailto:hristofor@...]
      Envoye : mercredi 19 juin 2002 4:03
      A : orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com
      Objet : [orthodox-synod] Communion with the Serbian Church

      To the best of my knowledge, I do not belive the Synod ever formally issued
      a "we are no longer in communion with Serbia" ukase (If someone knows to
      the contrary, pls inform). Obviously, up until the communist takeover, we
      were in communion with the Serbian Church. I belive that the policy under
      Metropolitans Anastassy and Philaret was that there was no definitive break
      with the SC and that it fell on the bishops to use ekonomia.


      At 10:24 PM 6/17/2002, you wrote:
      >Forgive me, I agree with you a great deal on the MP, et cetera, but
      >here I have to disagree. Vl Mark is not the sole participant in
      >communion with the Serbs-- the Synod in general acknowledges such
      >communion, and in the documents following the 2000 Sobor, they
      >clearly state why. Nor is this something underhanded as people
      >claim; when I was first a catechumen in 1998, this concelebration was
      >something I knew about, when I asked who we were in communion
      >To boot, the 12 priests in question *were* disobeying, since a new
      >Bishop had been chosen by the Synod. Whether the Bishop himself was
      >doing wrong is another matter-- but I wouldn't put the
      >word 'disobedience' in quotes.
      >Are the Serbs ecumenist? I don't know. I am not inclined to think
      >so, however. Not with the 'proof' I have been given.
      >--- In orthodox-synod@y..., "vladimir kozyreff"
      ><vladimir.kozyreff@s...> wrote:
      > > I am glad to see that all those who speak about Vl Mark describe a
      > > knowledgeable and respected person.
      > >
      > > I do not have the honour of knowing him, but I insist that he looks
      > > atypical. Below is one more apparent contradiction about his
      > >
      > > In the "Bulletin" of the German Diocese of Russian Orthodox Church
      >Abroad of
      > > February, 2001, an article entitled " Visit to Serbia " describes a
      > > visit of Serbia by Vl Mark, from February, 4/17 till February,
      >8/21. The
      > > report tells about his visiting a few monasteries in which he co-
      > > with Serbian priests.
      > >
      > > The Serbian orthodox church is a member of the World Council of
      > > The ecumenical movement was anathematised by our church in1983. How
      >can we
      > > reconcliate the anathema of our Church with Vl Mark's communion
      >with the
      > > Serbian Church? Again, I cannot understand Vl Mark's position
      >relative to
      > > our Church's.
      > >
      > > Do we not expect bishops to act, think and teach following the line
      >of the
      > > Church? Is this co-celebration not a clear disobedience to the
      > > committed in difficult times by a bishop that incidently teaches
      > > to his flock? Does this not add to the confusion of an already
      >confuse time?
      > > Is he anathema for communed with an anatematised movement? Or not?
      >If not,
      > > why? Is this a acceptable question to put?
      > >
      > > Please explain this to me. I am puzzled. In the meantime, 12
      >priests from
      > > Western Europe were suspended for "disobeying", without having been
      >heard by
      > > the Synod and without any explanation to the believers, except that
      >they did
      > > not obey.
      > >
      > > In Christ,
      > >
      > > Vladimir Kozyreff
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