5927RE: [orthodox-synod] Re: Interview with Vl. Mark
- Jun 18, 2002Hello! This is true. This is the Muslim's way of spitting at the Orthodox.
It has been done to Russian soldiers in Chechnya as well...
From: Kiril Bart [mailto:kirbart@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [orthodox-synod] Re: Interview with Vl. Mark
Those fingers usually are choppted off to prevent
person from holding and using firearms, or any other
weapons. Try to be more realistic.
P.S. In Greece if they want to prevent someone from
crossing himself, they chopped of the whole hand.
--- boulia_1 <eledkovsky@...> wrote:
> Our Church, since the reprehensible NATO__________________________________________________
> "intervention" (i.e. act of
> War) in Kosovo, has been praying for the suffering
> Orthodox people of
> Serbia, where a favorite torture of (Islamic)
> terrorist Albanians has
> been to cut off the thumb and first two fingers of
> their Serb victims,
> so that they cannot proerly form their hands to
> cross themselves!
> Vladyka Antony (Medvedev)of blessed memory was
> similarly and just as
> ignorantly criticised for allowing a Serb bishop to
> serve in the SF
> cathedral several years back.
> Let us not forget, as he then noted from the Ambo,
> the important and
> salvationary role the Serb church played in
> protecting their Orthodox
> brethren fleeing the red terror. Indeed, many of our
> most esteemed
> hierarchs were educated in Belgrade (INCLUDING St.
> John of
> To make a gross generalization, Serbs may not all be
> the most pious of
> people, but, again, they are our Orthodox brethren
> and among the
> closest of all, historically, to ROCOR. I cannot
> understand this
> desire to be so isolationist, or this hunger to find
> "And why beholdest thou the splinter that is in thy
> brother's eye, but
> perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?...
> Thou hypocrite,
> cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and
> then shalt thou see
> clearly to pull out the splinter that is in thy
> brother's eye."
> In Christ's love,
> --- In orthodox-synod@y..., "vladimir kozyreff"
> <vladimir.kozyreff@s...> wrote:
> > I am glad to see that all those who speak about Vl
> Mark describe a
> > knowledgeable and respected person.
> > I do not have the honour of knowing him, but I
> insist that he looks
> > atypical. Below is one more apparent contradiction
> about his
> > In the "Bulletin" of the German Diocese of Russian
> Orthodox Church
> Abroad of
> > February, 2001, an article entitled " Visit to
> Serbia " describes a
> > visit of Serbia by Vl Mark, from February, 4/17
> till February, 8/21.
> > report tells about his visiting a few monasteries
> in which he
> > with Serbian priests.
> > The Serbian orthodox church is a member of the
> World Council of
> > The ecumenical movement was anathematised by our
> church in1983. How
> can we
> > reconcliate the anathema of our Church with Vl
> Mark's communion with
> > Serbian Church? Again, I cannot understand Vl
> Mark's position
> relative to
> > our Church's.
> > Do we not expect bishops to act, think and teach
> following the line
> of the
> > Church? Is this co-celebration not a clear
> disobedience to the
> > committed in difficult times by a bishop that
> incidently teaches
> > to his flock? Does this not add to the confusion
> of an already
> confuse time?
> > Is he anathema for communed with an anatematised
> movement? Or not?
> If not,
> > why? Is this a acceptable question to put?
> > Please explain this to me. I am puzzled. In the
> meantime, 12 priests
> > Western Europe were suspended for "disobeying",
> without having been
> heard by
> > the Synod and without any explanation to the
> believers, except that
> they did
> > not obey.
> > In Christ,
> > Vladimir Kozyreff
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