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18352Re: [orthodox-synod] Re: This document should be sent back to committee (the problem goes much deeper)

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  • michael nikitin
    Nov 3, 2006
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      The communists(KGB) were in absolute complete charge of all
      MP clergy. They interfered in what they felt needed to be
      interfered with.

      The Soviets controlled Russia. They sent to the gulags and
      murdered all the hierarchs who didn't join MP, who they created.
      They got rid of all who didn't agree with them.

      It is hard to understand this living in comfortable America..

      Michael N

      --- "Fr. John R. Shaw" <vrevjrs@...> wrote:

      > --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, gene703 <gene703@...>
      > wrote:
      >
      > > According to orthodox cannons a bishop that gains his
      > appointement from civil
      > >authorities is not really a bishop, right ?
      >
      > JRS: Wrong.
      >
      > A bishop who obtains his office by using secular authorities is
      > subject to be deposed; but
      > even if he is actually guilty of this, he does not
      > automatically cease to be a bishop.
      >
      > The canons (and the anathemas) do not take on a life of their
      > own: they are church laws,
      > to be applied by the hierarchy.
      >
      > But this canon does not apply to situations where the secular
      > authorities themselves
      > interfere with church life.
      >
      > If it did, then all of the bishops of the Russian Church before
      > the revolution would "not
      > have been bishops", because their appointment was always
      > determined by the Tsar,
      > subject to his approval.
      >
      > > Alexey Ridiger was appointed an MP Bishop of Tallinn in
      > 1961 when communists were
      > > fully in charge on MP personell, right ?
      >
      > JRS: The communists were not absolutely in charge of all MP
      > clergy: but they did interfere
      > in everything they could.
      >
      > > Is therefore current MP Patrairch Alexey II (Ridiger) a
      > real orthodox clergyman or an
      > >impostor according to orthodox cannon law ?
      >
      > JRS: He is a "real Orthodox clergyman".
      >
      > In Christ
      > Fr. John R. Shaw




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