17589Re: The MP, the ROCOR and ecumenism
- Aug 7, 2006Hello again Aleks,
Pluralism is also a governing theory. It suggests that groups govern,
not the people in their diversity as individuals. The implication:
those who organize into blocs will win over individuals in the battle to
be arbiters of resources. The blocs that plague individual freedom,
both from sin and from government, are called parties, or, worse, The
Party. For it is in these organized blocs that the most venal,
ambitious and power seeking passions may be found, which move to
isolate, discredit or defeat all dissenters from the Party in power.
The best sort of government for people subject to the temptations of
power is one with lots of checks and balances.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Aleksandr Andreev
> The point of the latest inter-religious assembly, which gathered inleaders
> Moscow before the G8 summit was clearly not "ecumenical" but
> "pluralistic". The point was to let G8 leaders know that religious
> people are in the world, that they're active, and that political
> should consider their views.Or else, what? They will strike out as power brokers over billions of
religious persons all over the globe and instruct the faithful to
overthrow or vote-out the governments that disagree with them? If once
such an interreligious body of leaders exercises the shared political
power of a new entity, do you think it will disband when it achieves a
few objectives? Or will it find the power more and more alluring,
seeking entrenchment and expansion?
Should any Church that names the name of Christ seek out such worldly
power? Is that what the Lord Jesus Christ sought? Did he accept it
even when it was set before him as a temptation by the devil in the
wilderness? And so what should Orthodox Christian clergy, even the holy
hierarchs, do? Organize and join a world interreligious organization to
keep from being "left out"? Or commune in their hearts with the Church
triumphant and wait on the Lord Jesus Christ to come establish the
government to end all governments, that is, the self-government of the
Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, or God Is Love?
> The point was also to discuss commonare
> problems, like terrorism and inter-religious violence. All of these
> noble reasons, and should be praised: in our increasingly secularworld,
> religious people do need to have their voice heard, so that next timehave
> politicians are about to do something stupid, they consider what we
> to say about it.As a political bloc? When Pilate was about to order the scourging and
crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ and he asked the Lord if he knew
that he (Pilate) had the power to release him or send him to his death,
the Lord answered Pilate in a way that ministered to Pilate's need to be
healed of pride -- He said, " you would not have the power unless it
had been given to you from on high." And the Lord did not even say,
"unless I had given it to you," even though He could have said so. How
great He Is in His Lordly humility.
> But then, perhaps some were disappointed that the G8 summit was heldin
> the dark, dismal, atheist, autocratic Russia and that Russian Churchviolence
> hierarchs and leading Russian historians and sociologists were telling
> delegates about how to deal with inter-religious violence. But then,
> what's wrong with that? After all, Russia didn't know religious
> until 1917. Russia didn't exterminate its native populations. RussiaNot at all. Russia is a fine place to hold a G8 Summit in and of
> didn't forcibly convert anyone to (or from) anything.
itself. What is disappointing is that those whose careers enforced the
dark, dismal, atheist, autocratic Russia remain in positions of power
that they have never even tried to relinquish as a repentance. Worse,
they now reach out to expand their influence to international political
affairs, using the Church as a vehicle and leveraging tool. And yet the
Lord said that His Kingdom was not of this world.
As for Russia not exterminating, not doing religious violence to, and
not forcibly converting anyone before the revolution in 1917 I will
defer to your expertise in making that statement, however, I would ask
you: what is a Pogrom other than a clap of thunder?
Remember what St. John Maximovitch envisioned as the repentance of those
in the Moscow Patriarchate who collaborated with pain and reservations
with the Soviet monstrosity. He wrote:
"The Lord God, Who preserved seven thousand men who did not bend the
to Baal in the days of Elias, today also has a multitude of His servants
who secretly serve and pray to Him throughout the whole expanse of the
Russian Land. Even among the hieararchs outwardly subject to the Soviet
Regime, many are inwardly tormented by this; when the opportunity comes,
they will act according to the example of those at the Council of
Chalcedon who declared with tears that they had given their signatures
at the Robber Council under coercion, following the example of the Most
Holy Patriarch Paul, who was tortured by his conscience and took the
Schema in recognition of his weakness under the Iconoclasts."
--from The Russian Orthodox Church Abroad: A Short History, p. 37.
And when the wondrous St. John said St. Paul took on the Schema, what is
the story behind that? Read here:
"For, when the most holy Patriarch Paul, by the divine will, was about
to be liberated from the bands of mortality and to exchange his earthly
pilgrimage for a heavenly home with his Master Christ, he abdicated the
Patriarchate and took upon him the monastic life, and when we asked
him, Why hast thou done this? he answered, Because I fear that, if
death should surprise me still in the episcopate of this royal and
heaven-defended city, I should have to carry with me the anathema of
the whole Catholic Church, which consigns me to that outer darkness
which is prepared for the devil and his angels; for they say that a
certain synod hath been held here in order to the subversion of
pictures and images which the Catholic Church holds, embraces, and
receives, in memory of the persons whom they represent. This is that
which distracts my soul -- this is that which makes me anxiously to
enquire how I may escape the judgment of God -- since among such men I
have been brought up and with such am I numbered. No sooner had he thus
spoken in the presence of some of our most illustrious nobles than he
expired." --from The Imperial Sacra. Read at the First Session. (Found
and Cossart, Concilia, Tom. VII., col. 49.) page 531, with permission
from Medieval Sourcebook: The Second Council of Nicea, 787 AD
<http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/nicea2.html> > .
This post is too long, and that, by an unworthy sinner.
Glory to God in the highest.
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