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17079Re: "Enemies of the Church" lists

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  • Fr. Alexey Chumakov
    Jul 1 12:23 AM
      To put this matter to rest, those of you who can read in Russian can
      find here not only transcripts but also mp3 recordings from this
      conference. For those who can not, I can say that there is nothing
      like what was reported

      http://kkirsanov.livejournal.com/204948.html?nc=4


      --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, "myhrr101" <myhrr101@...> wrote:
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      > --- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, michael nikitin
      > <nikitinmike@> wrote:
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      > > And here I thought ANATHEMAS lists the enemies of the Church.
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      > > Michael N
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      > And what are the instructions with that? To interfere with their
      > human rights and freedom of concience? To imprison them for holding
      > meetings? Gandhi said that everyone except Christians see that
      > Christ taught ahimsa, non-violence.
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      > http://stmaryofegypt.org/library/st_john_maximovich/on_anathema.htm
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      > Myrrh
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      > > Anna Voellmecke <anna@> wrote:
      > > At 05:00 PM 6/27/2006, you wrote:
      > > >The original poster is very diplomatic. Let me state this
      > bluntly: If
      > > >the MP church has actually compiled such as list of persons who
      > are
      > > >"enemies of the church" I do want to know about this practice. Is
      > this
      > > >a tradition of the Orthodox church to keep a list of enemies?
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      > > Let me ask: Is it the tradition of the Church to use a motor
      > vehicle
      > > to go to church services? To use dimmer switches on electric
      > lights
      > > when the services call for brightening and dimming the lighting in
      > > the church? To use photocopiers for choir music? To use EMAIL for
      > > teaching about the Church? I think you see my point.
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      > > In the heterodox West, there is no central authority to be a
      > source
      > > of protection for the faithful against vagante (false) clergymen
      > like
      > > my ex-husband, to the spiritual detriment of many. Now that there
      > are
      > > apparently such people setting up shop in Russia, there is
      > definitely
      > > a need for some kind of response from the MP to deal with them. I
      > > also recall cases here in the US where certain clergymen were
      > > suspended or deposed but continued to serve *illegally*, requiring
      > > the Bishops of those dioceses to issue warnings to the faithful
      > *not*
      > > to seek ministrations from those men.
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      > > So "enemies lists" are definitely known in the Orthodox world. One
      > > wonders why Peter is so worried. Surely he doesn't think *he*
      > would be on it!
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      > > Anna V.
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