16337Re: What the ROCOR-bashers want
- Apr 4, 2006MP's approval of ROCOR's bishops is necessary due to the provisions
that ROCOR bishops would particiapte in MP's Synods and Bishop's
Councils (while no MP bishops would participate in ROCOR's Synods
and Councils). A candidate can only be rejected on canonical
grounds, i.e. if the candidate is canonically unsuitable for the
position in the first place.
One can love someone or something so much as to sufficate it and
squeeze all the life out of it. It would not take a long search to
find examples of parents who so loved their children that they
completely destroyed the child's will and the child became unable to
function as a person. It seems that some love ROCOR so much that
they would like to stifle its natural life so that it would become
like some of the progeny that it unfortunately spawned, i.e. the old
calendarist sectarians, the Suzdal schism and ROCIE. Focus on and
love the 'Orthodox' as opposed to the 'Outside' in ROCOR.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, michael nikitin
>not only received recognition from ROCOR, but will have to approve
> The Soviets picked the MP's hierarchy and now this Soviet picked
> Patriarch will approve all our first hierarch's of ROCOR. The MP
the first hierarch. If the first
> hierarch is not to their liking they will not approve him.will be
> I don't suppose Fr.John will anticipate any infractions as he
> one in spirit with those who will choose his leader. TheMetropolitan
> of ROCOR who will have to be approved by the MP. He will owe histhe MP for any infraction. This will be the New ROCOR created by
> fierst hierarchy to the Patriarch of the MP and will never leave
>lead her to
> Fr.John, I love ROCOR, and defend her against those who blindly
> be depended on those who say they are her friends, but steal hermonasteries
> in Jerusalem and are in the ecumenistic organization WCC. Theserobbers who you defend.
> I defend ROCOR, Fr.John defends the MP.
> Michael N
> "Fr. John R. Shaw" <vrevjrs@...> wrote: Regarding:
> > 1) The top brass of communists were not prosecuted as were
> > They still occupy Russia under a different name which isconvenient
> > because a change of a name fools many into believeingthings have changed.
> > If Fr.John changed his name to Fr.Igor, he would be the sameFr.John under a
> > different name.Germany.
> JRS: Of course, Russia was not a conquered country, as was
>was outlawed for a time. It
> But after the breakup of the Soviet Union, the communist party
> still exists (headed by Gennady Ziuganov, who is an OrthodoxChristian, despite calling
> himself a communist).have to be approved by the
> > 2) When ROCOR joins the MP, the Bishops of ROCOR will
> MP. ROCOR will be dependent on the MP for it's Hierarchy.ROCOR's hierarch's will be run by
> the MP. They certainly will not approve a bishop who doesn'tagree with them.
>instance) completely autonomous,
> JRS: No. ROCOR will be (like the Church in the Ukraine, for
> but the Patriarch is to approve the next Metropolitan. Bishopswill not have to be approved.
>infraction, they will be
> > 3) Once ROCOR joins the MP and then leaves because of some
> labelled schismatics. Just as ROCOR labels those who leavethem. ROCOR will never be
> trusted as it had been under it's previous hierarch's.Nikitin falls in that category, too)
> JRS: I do not anticipate there will be any "infraction".
> But as for "trusting ROCOR", her attackers (I believe Michael
> have been trying to undermine all trust in our hierarchy for avery long time.
> > 4) How can we trust our bishops when they don't trust the
> JRS: Are they really "your" bishops? Somehow I don't get that
>our bishops do and say.
> > 6) We are not Roman Catholics ,that we believe everything
> Bishops are human and can make mistakes, not to mentioninfluenced by their position. God
> gave us the gift of discernment to use in situations like these.lies in disinformation and
> JRS: Yes, God gave the gift of discernment; but Satan's input
> character assassination.Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.
> In Christ
> Fr. John R. Shaw
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