14752Re: Antioch in Communion with Monophysites?!
- Aug 9 11:38 AMAt 12:45 PM 8/9/2005, Athanasios Jayne wrote:
>Believe me, I would like nothing more than toThen all that is necessary is to *do* it.
>end this discussion, which has consumed a lot
>of my time and attention.
>But I don't see how this is possible so long as Fr. John R. Shaw continuesThe comment about you teaching heresy was on July 22 - on another
>to publicly accuse me of "teaching heresy." If he
>would withdraw this accusation (which, if false, is
>indeed "scandalous"), I will stop discussing it.
list...and *you* chose to begin posting to three other lists - and,
based on what you wrote, which was wrong, not the teaching of the
Orthodox Church, he was quite correct. You then chose to attempt to
find proof-texts to defend your own error, but only succeeded in
digging a deeper hole.
Your recent comments about "inward" action of anathema appear to be
an attempt to back-pedal the clearly false nature of your earlier
comments - a disingenuous effort - and Fr. Andrew's comments would be
well taken to heart.
>Heresy is separation from God, and Fr. John R.What you wrote was wrong, contrary to that which the Church believes.
>Shaw has indicated that he believes me to have
>"taught heresy" on the subject of anathemas.
Do you have a parish Priest? Take all of this to him...in order, and
discuss it with him...let him teach you. Do not attempt to teach the
internet community that which you clearly do not understand. It is
past the time to be silent. In the pursuit of our own will we cannot
hear the voice of God...we cannot pray...we cannot learn.
>Because he is a Priest, and a Priest within thatThen do so.
>part of the Church to which I belong (ROCOR), I
>must, I believe, take his opinion seriously. I must
>be willing to consider that he may be right. I must
>re-examine what I have said in the light of the
>teaching of the Holy Fathers and Ecumenical Councils.
>I must be willing to engage in a continuing dialogueNo. What you are doing is continuing to argue a point even without an
>in order to more surely discern the truth of the
>matter, and change my belief if it can be shown
>to be in error.
>Some have indicated weariness with this discussion,Nor are you forced to write them. Which, do you suppose, is the
>but no one is forced to read my posts.
greater sin? Remember the Lord's comments about scandal and the mill-stone.
>For me, to be accused of heretical teaching by aAs I wrote, go to your Priest.
>Priest is just about the most grievous thing
>imaginable. I would have been less troubled if
>I had been accused of being a thief or an adulterer,
>and I must seek a resolution of this matter--a
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