14433Re: Associated Press Reports on Documents
- Jul 2, 2005Dear Father Alexander, bless.
I have the impression that I heave displeased you. Please excuse me
for being an idiot. I wanted to draw attention at the fact that the
Moscow "Patriarch" (a monk) has the choice between two residencies
and prefers the one with a swimming pool.
He had a skyrocketing career under bolshevik dictatorship, travelled
abundantly abroad and developed a yearning for onion soup while
staying in Paris four decades ago, when priests were suffering hunger
in concentration camps. (Met Vitaly is living in relatively more
monastery-like conditions, more suitable for a monk).
Let me revert to your pet discussions about documents' authorship.
Can we agree that while authorship adds to the authenticity of a
document, it is the truth of the contents that matters, not who
happened to be the author?
In your message 14422, you write: "A might schizophrenic Metropolitan
Philaret you are presenting here, if these quotes are actually
written by him. Just because a letter has been circulating on the
internet for quite some time does not mean that it is authentic".
To impugn the contents by questioning the author is an ad hominem
argument and thus logically invalid. It is like those secular
scholars who question the authority of the Bible or the Church
Fathers by questioning who their author is. This resembles the
typical anti-Christian technical tactic of those lacking discernment
needed to perceive the truth.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Fr. Alexander Lebedeff"
> Mr. Kozyreff should apologize.had
> In response to a question about whether any monasteries in Russia
> swimming pools--he responds: "See below."mentioned.
> And proceeds to cite an article in which **no monastery at all** is
> A normal person would consider this to be a sign of idiocy.
> With love in Christ,
> Prot. Alexander Lebedeff
> At 02:57 PM 7/1/2005, you wrote:
> >Dear Father John, bless.
> >You write: "Are you saying that any of the Russian monasteries do
> >have swimming pools?"
> >Please see below.
> >In God,
> >Vladimir Kozyreff
> >Ecumenical News International (ENI)
> >Mushrooms and French soup are a feast fit for a patriarch
> >Jonathan Luxmoore
> >Warsaw (ENI). The head of Russia's Orthodox church has revealed
> >he likes picking mushrooms and eating French onion soup, but hestaying
> >dislikes mobile cell phones, and avoids carrying one himself.
> >"I'm a mushroom collector - it's my real hobby," said Patriarch
> >Alexei II in an interview with Russia's Gazieta daily newspaper,
> >saying he had also developed a yearning for onion soup while
> >in Paris four decades ago.0368>http://www.eni.ch/articles/display.shtml?05-0368
> >In the interview published on 3 May, the 76-year-old patriarch said
> >he preferred his country seat outside Moscow, with its library,
> >running track and swimming pool, to his official city-centre
> >residence. He added that he had been advised by doctors to take "at
> >least 8000 steps daily".
> >Later, a
> >--- In email@example.com, "Fr. John R. Shaw"
> ><vrevjrs@e...> wrote:
> > > Vladimir Kozyreff wrote:
> > >
> > > > The apostolic succession of the present "MP" is at least
> > > > The true MP was destroyed by Stalin and ceased to exist.
> > > > false one was created by Stalin, which claimed (logically, howmother
> > > > to be the continuation of the true MP. The true MP was our
> > > > Church, not the present, false MP.of
> > >
> > > JRS: Who consecrated Metropolitan Sergius and the other bishops
> >the Moscowwhatever,
> > > Patriarchate?
> > >
> > > When we speak of "apostolic succession", this is what we have in
> >mind: not the declarations
> > > or statements made by bishops, but by the fact that they were
> >consecrated by other bishops,
> > > and that those bishops in turn were consecrated by others, in a
> >succession going back to the
> > > Apostles.
> > >
> > > > You write"If the Patriarchate itself had no authority
> > > > could hardly invalidate anything: not even the statements of
> > > > Metropolitan Sergius".
> > > >
> > > > The "Patriarch" is not requested to exert any authority, but
> > > > acknowledge his not being a patriarch, to disappear frompublic
> > > > and to abandon his false pretences.
> > >
> > > JRS: He has not done that, nor has our Church Abroad ever asked
> > >
> > > However, if, as in your previous posting, you derive
> >any "validation" or "invalidation" from the
> > > official statements of the Moscow Patriarchate -- then you do
> >it some recognition.synod>http://www.egroups.com/group/orthodox-synod
> > >
> > > > He would be well inspired to
> > > > retire in a monastery without a swimming pool.
> > >
> > > JRS: Are you saying that any of the Russian monasteries do have
> >swimming pools?
> > >
> > > In Christ
> > > Fr. John R. Shaw
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