13094Re: [orthodox-synod]Advocating secession!? Was: About the MP/ "Yes. there is a God".
- Dec 1, 2004I don't think Fr.Sergei understands. Metr.Sergei - the MP - were one with the atheistic
Soviet Government. That is why the New Martyrs of Russia were murdered and Metr.Sergei and those with him were not. Of course, the Soviets even murdered some of their own they did not trust.
And yes, they were murdered because they believed in God. Many Martyrs died for God, because they did not bow down to the idols, just as the New Martyrs of Russia did not bow down to Metr.Sergei's Declaration of 1927. The MP's joys were the Godless Soviet joys (destroying the churches, forbidding babies to be baptized or to bring children to communion, giving communion to Roman Catholics etc.). Bishops and priests didn't have to be asked if they believed in God. Not recognizing Metr.Sergei and the Declaration of 1927 showed this.
St. Joseph of Petrograd is the New Martyr who was not canonized as Saint by MP because he organized the Catacomb Church and Anathematized the MP. Many excuses are made for his not being canonized. He won't be canonized, he'll just blend in when the MP receives their legitimacy from ROCOR(L).
Metr. Sergei, by signing 1927 Declaration showed that he was going to work and support Soviet Government. Because of this many bishops and priests refused to recognize Metr.Sergei and his bishops. Those who didn't recognize him wound up in concentration camps.
MP's bishops were KGB agents and that's why they were able to travel abroad and spread their propaganda that there is no prosecution of the Church and faithful in Soviet Union.
The Catacomb Church was persecuted. Metr.Sergei and his MP Church was not. They
helped the Soviets persecute.
Excerpt of letter from St.Metr.Philaret:
"What then is the "Soviet church"? Archimandrite Constantine has
often and insistently stated that the most horrible thing that the God-hating
regime has done in Russia is the creation of the "Soviet church," which the
Bolsheviks presented to the people as the true Church, having driven the
genuine Orthodox Church into the catacombs or into the concentration
This pseudo-church has been twice anathematized. His Holiness
Patriarch Tikhon and the All-Russian Church Sobor anathematized the
Communists and *all their collaborators.* This dread anathema has not
been lifted till this day and remains in force, since it can be
lifted only by a similar All-Russian Church Sobor, as the canonical
supreme ecclesiastical authority. And a terrifying thing happened in 1927,
when the head of the Church, Metropolitan Sergius, by his infamous and
apostate Declaration, subjected the Russian Church to the Bolsheviks and
proclaimed collaboration with them. And thus in a most exact sense was
fulfilled the expression in the prayer at the beginning of Confession: "having
fallen under their own anathema"! For in 1918 the Church
anathematized all the confederates of Communism, while in 1927 she herself joined the
camp of these collaborators and began to laud the red, God-hating regime
to laud the red beast spoken of in the Apocalypse."
"Rev. Sergei Overt" <frsovert@...> wrote:
Michael, here you are completely incorrect.
The struggle was not against Metropolitan
Sergius or the MP. Although such a movement
did exist as something within Russian Orthodoxy.
The New Martyrs suffered
for Christ and their belief in God as Orthodox
Christians and all it implies in a truly spiritual
They were martyred by those who wanted to create
a "religion free", **godless** society.
The Soviet system was set on destroying all
expression of any type of religiosity.
All religion was declared the "opium of the people".
They were so set in their incorrect ways that
it was believed that entire classes or groups
(Orthodox clergy were the main group) of people
had to be destroyed in order for them to
create their "perfect godless world" free of
I doubt Metropolitan Sergius (Stragorodsky) would have
had a desire for the same ideals.
Here is a perfect example from the Holy New Martyrs
The Sixty Priests martyred in the Taiga of
As each one of them was led
up to a ditch, a common grave prepared for
these ****undesirable elements**** of "progressive"
Soviet society - ****Orthodox priests****, to be shot,
each one was asked the same question by the
One by one: "You are taking your last
breath; tell us, is there a God or not?".
The reply of these holy men was firm
and confident: " Yes, there is a God!"
Each one answered the same - "yes ,
there is a God" and each time a shot
was fired and one by one they murdered
all sixty priests and buried them in an
unmarked common grave.
Did it matter if perhaps, some of these
priests ( lets say, perhaps we don't know),
were commemorators of Metropolitan Sergius and some were
commemorators of Metropolitan Peter?
What mattered was that they were ALL ORTHODOX priests
and they did not deny God and His truth at the last moment.
They are ALL holy New Martyrs of Russia!
We have no right living in today's comfort
to judge any of the holy New Martyrs of Russia
as to "what jurisdiction" they belonged to!
Fr. Sergei Overt
----- Original Message -----
From: "michael nikitin" <nikitinmike@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [orthodox-synod]Advocating secession!? Was: About the MP
> New Martyrs were martyrs because they refused to recognize
> Metr. Sergius and MP as a Church.
> We know that Patr. Tikhon anathematized the MP.
> St. Joseph of Petrograd is the new martyr who was not
> canonized as Saint by MP because
> he organized the Catacomb Church and Anathematized the MP.
> Michael N
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