10821Re: [orthodox-synod] Re: The Cry of the New Martyrs?
- May 17, 2004Dear Fr. Sergei (Bless!),
I could not agree with you more. My observation is that all the MP Churches in Russia are full for Vigil services on Saturdays, and, let us face it, most of the people in ROCOR (in the US) come only on Sundays. In my own parish in Albany-Schenectady (NY) there are 2-3 people on Saturdays (generally, American converts). I heard from our Deacon that there had been times when it was just him and the priest. I have seen the same in other parishes as well. I remember reading an article in a then-ROCOR newspaper in Russia (published by a group that is no longer with us) where this phenomenon was discussed with the author suggesting that Russians in the US become culturally assimilated with their Protestant environment where it is typical to go to church on Sundays rather than on Saturdays.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rev. Sergei Overt
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [orthodox-synod] Re: The Cry of the New Martyrs ?
Please forgive me
if my reaction was quite broad.
I do not intend to paint everything with a
I do like your comment about the new
Russians not coming to evening services
I once commented that they come only
to stand, light candles, say a private prayer
and do not get involved in the day to day
struggles of our parishes, in parish life.
Church is just there for them, but not "produced"
by them. These new people lack what we
in ROCOR traditionally called *tserkovnost*.
Someone told me recently - "Batushka, the
real tsekovnyie people are still in Russia
and have no intention of leaving their homeland".
These are not my words, but the words
of a recent Russian arrival.
For four generations ROCOR has struggled
not only to build churches, but also to
maintain them in the full sense. Our people
kept church life in existence through voluntarily
working together for the greater goal of having
our own Russian Orthodox parishes.
People donated money, held choir practices,
baked piroshki, painted, cleaned, sewed vestments,
planted flowers, pulled weeds around the church
building, did whatever..... In some places
this is not so with the new Russians.
They cant just join in. They have to be
asked or are simply not interested.
One parishioner once told me after I had told
her to welcome these people in aking them to help us
and she replied to me that if we ask these
people to do something for our church,
they later make us
I don't want to be generalizing to much,
in different places it varies.
But my impression is that most of our
parishes were established by the old
émigrés and are still maintained by them.
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