10605Re: [orthodox-synod] The Cry of the New Martyrs ?
- May 1, 2004X.B.!
Fr. Anastasy wrote:
> I have often wanted to ask your recollection(s) regarding thefollowing:
> 1) Is it true we (ROCOR) was asked to join SCOBA (Standing Conferenceof
> Orthodox Bishops in America) ... -- but we declined or refused?JRS: Yes, we were invited, and at first ROCOR began to take part. Fr.
George Grabbe attended the first meeting of SCOBA.
However, he was afraid that we might encounter MP clergy there, which
would be "awkward", so without refusing or declining, ROCOR simply
stopped sending a representative.
> 2) I have always heard that we concelebrated with the other OrthodoxJRS: Yes, it is true.
> Churches and is this true?
> 3) If so, which ones and in what time frame? Did it include theGreek
> Archdiocese?JRS: It included all the other Orthodox jurisdictions, at first, except
the Moscow Patriarchate. There was even limited concelebration with the
American Metropolia (since renamed the OCA), limited to non-eucharistic
services such as Vespers, but then this was stopped after the OCA began
taking in clergy who had been suspended by ROCOR.
And yes, it definitely included the Greek Archdiocese. I myself saw
Metropolitan Philaret and Archbishop Iakovos excehange the kiss of
peace in the Royal Gates of the Synodal cathedral in NYC, on the eve of
Metropolitan Anastassy's funeral in May of 1965.
There was full eucharistic communion with the Greek Archdiocese, not
only by priests, but also by bishops. The Greek Archbishop Michael
spoke Russian and was on friendly terms with our bishops; Archbishop
Seraphim of Chicago and Detroit recalled how Archbishop Michael would
sometimes ask him to make visitations of Greek Archdiocese parishes,
when he himself was not able to do so (Vl. Seraphim could serve in
accented Greek, with some difficulty).
> 4) When did we actually cease concelebrating? [It it appears that itwas
> long after the 1965 lifting of the Anathemas.]JRS: We still received then-Priestmonk Panteleimon (John Metropoulos)
with his Holy Transfiguration Monastery by canonical transfer from the
Ecumenical Patriarchate in the summer of 1965. The Greek Archdiocese
yearbook listed us as a group with whom they were in full communion for
two or three years after that.
Concelebrations continued in Europe long after 1965, and there was
never any official breaking of communion: only a de facto withdrawal
from contacts, which was easy enough because in those days our Russian
parishes lived "in a world apart".
> Also, reference to form of address of bishops:and
> the Greeks use "Your Eminence" for both Archbishop and Metropolitan
> "Your Grace" for Bishops.JRS: Yes, I realize that. Some of our clergy in Europe have also
used "Your Excellence" for Archbishops. I am not arguing that there is
one right way, only that till quite recently, we had a more or less
Fr. John R. Shaw
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