10424Re: [orthodox-synod] Congratulations to Putin
- Apr 2, 2004Obviously Holy Orthodoxy has been attacked by the
communist past regimes, yet we have seen God's Grace
that the Holy Orthodox Church still remains! Clearly a
monarchy rule would be the only government supported
by Hoy Scripture yet lets face it we always owe more
to God than Caesar, so why be angry & resentful about
the past, not that means to forget, let us pray as
Archbishop Averky stated.
--- byakimov@... wrote:
> Archbishop Averky would say.... Lord Help us=== message truncated ===
> ALL please.
> unworthy protodeacon Basil from Canberra
> zina kochnaya <zikonaya@...> on 02/04/2004
> 03:58:55 AM
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> Subject: Re: [orthodox-synod] Congratulations to
> Metr. Laurus is an American Citizen, not Russian.
> In fact he is Ukranian.
> I am surprised at this news and your statement, Fr.
> Alexander. I don't
> Metr. Laurus should have sent his congratulations.
> It is political.
> "Fr. Alexander Lebedeff" <lebedeff@...>
> Nicholas Zaharov wrote:
> >Metropolitan Laurus recently wrote a letter to
> Vladimer Putin, formally
> >congratulating him with his re-election to the
> office of President of
> >Russia. This letter has been posted on our Church's
> >If George W. Bush is re-elected in the near future,
> I wonder if
> >Metropolitan Laurus will also send him a letter of
> congratulations. I'm
> >guessing, though, our Church will not need to do
> this. I do not forsee the
> >Republican Party being in a direct position to
> reward us. I just don't
> >know. I guess we shall soon see. Only time will
> The cynicism expressed here seems to be misplaced.
> Metropolitan Laurus is the head of what is one of
> the two parts of the
> **Russian** Orthodox Church--not the American
> Orthodox Church.
> Vladimir Putin is the President of **Russia**--not
> President Bush heads nothing that has to do with
> What is strange about the head of a Russian Church
> congratulating the head
> of the Russian state with his reelection? President
> Putin congratulated
> Metropolitan Laurus with his election as First
> Hierarch--so what is strange
> about reciprocal politeness?
> Did President Bush congratulate Metropolitan Laurus
> when he was elected
> First Hierarch?
> By the way, I am sure that Metropolitan Laurus would
> expect Metropolitan
> Herman, head of the Orthodox Church in **America**,
> to congratulate
> President Bush, if he were to be reelected.
> Nothing strange about that, either.
> Also, another point--Metropolitan Laurus has
> established a personal
> relationship with President Putin, who was the host
> of a two-and a half
> hour long private dinner at the Russian Ambassador
> to the UN's residence in
> New York -- only for Metropolitan Laurus and members
> of the Synod of
> Bishops. President Putin at that time personally
> invited Metropolitan
> Laurus to make an official visit to Russia--an
> invitation that Metropolitan
> Laurus graciously accepted.
> As far as I know, President Bush has never invited
> Metropolitan Laurus to
> meet with him, or hosted a private dinner for him at
> the White House or
> anywhere else.
> So what is strange or sinister (or self-serving)
> about Metropolitan Laurus
> congratulating President Putin on his reelection?
> It seems to be the most natural and polite thing to
> Of course, Nicholas is not alone in putting a
> cynical "spin" on this
> innocuous letter of congratulations.
> The ROCiE mouthpiece in Russia (well, at least the
> mouthpiece), V.G. Cherkasov-Georgievskii, posted the
> Letter of
> congratulations by Metropolitan Laurus on his
> website, with the following
> "Here is a document, provocatively (!) posted on the
> official site of the
> Lavrites, which speaks to the fact that the head of
> the ROCOR(L) Lavr
> Shkurla, with all his might, is dying to participate
> in the Patriarchal
> Olympics in Moscow."
> Those who have even the slightest acquaintance with
> our meek, humble, and
> self-effacing First Hierarch, who would much rather
> be spending his time
> praying at all the monastic services at Jordanville,
> and spending time in
> solitude at his little and humble skete there, know
> how ridiculous this
> accusation is.
> I fear that there are some who think that in order
> to be "Genuinely
> Orthodox" we must eschew knowledge of expected
> diplomatic courtesy and
> elementary protocol --that we should be primitive,
> crude, and rude. (Now,
> **that's** real Orthodoxy!)
> I beg to disagree.
> With love in Christ,
> Prot. Alexander Lebedeff
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