10189Re: [orthodox-synod] Re: ROCA-ROCOR members in Moscow (Official)
- Feb 12, 2004ROCOR's property in Jerusalem was given to the MP by those
who wanted union with MP. The deed to the property mysteriously appeared
in the hands of MP just before the visit and procurement of the property by
force by our Mother Church. This was already written in the books as a prelude to
Union of Mysteries now.........transfer of property later.
Union would have materialized long ago if the faithful
did not leave as did HOCNA, ROAC and ROCOR(V).
Now the faithful are slowly being aclimatized to the MP as to weather.
The assets are pretty impressive when one considers the Church property
in many countries belonging to ROCOR.
There is more to this than meets the eye.
"Fr. John R. Shaw" <vrevjrs@...> wrote:Regarding:
> For many, the "strangeness" factor in the ROCOR -- MP encounters isthe fact that the person at the center of ROCOR -- MP meetings is
Archpriest Peter Holodny, the treasurer of ROCOR,
JRS: Why do you say that he is "in the center"? Except that his name
recently has appeared in the news.
i.e. someone who holds the purse strings and who has detailed and
complete knowledge of ROCOR's assets, finances and property documents.
JRS: Assets and finances that are *not* impressive, sad to say!
> The atmosphere of secrecy and denials on the part of ROCOR hierarchyadds further to the "strangeness" factor and creates a major
JRS: Also I see no signs of "secrecy", or of a credibility gap.
For me, the "credibility gap" lies in ROCiE, with its systematic
attempts to deceive the faithful, its deliberate misinformation,
attempts to "spin" every news item into something that would somehow
work in their favor.
> During November 2003 visit of ROCOR bishops to Moscow, according toreports from "Nezavisimaya Gazeta" among others, the agenda for day two
of the meetings focused on transfer of ROCOR properties to "Mother
Church". Fr. Holodny, in his follow up interviews in Moscow,
indirectly admitted that the transfer of ROCOR property is part of the
JRS: This is absolute rubbish. There has been no question of "transfer
of properties", and this has been stated several times.
Nor could there very well be any such transfers, since the MP does not
own its own property!
> If one reads Russian news articles on the proposed union betweenROCOR and MP, including MP and orthodox publications, their emphasis is
on ROCOR assets, number of parishes and ROCOR cash flow.
JRS: Absolute rubbish. There may be *speculation* about such things, by
various reporters, but there has been no such discussion of assets, nor
will there be.
> Hardly any value is placed on spiritual heritage or canonicalissues. From the spiritual aspect, ROCOR is consistently depicted as a
group of schismatics or worse -- Deacon Kuraev's recent article on
ROCOR is a good example in this respect. It is unfortunate that most
of these publications are not available in English translations.
JRS: Why is that "unfortunate"? The MP has not made any such statements
since the beginning of actual contacts; and we have people, in
particular some deacons, in ROCOR who have made irresponsible personal
Fr. John R. Shaw
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