Re: [orthodox-rocor] Two Prophecies
- In a message dated 7/5/2007 12:41:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ochichernie2@... writes:Two prophecies from Russian Orthodox elders, the Elder Aristocleus and St. Laurence (Lavrentiy) of Chernigov:--Dimitra DwelleyInteresting. Especially that first one, that predicts Germany would invadeRussia and that many would believe it would save them from communismbut it wouldn't and that "it would do many things." Holocaust the bulk of iton Eastern front related soil at that, included I presume, if "many things"incl. much evil.But the introduction, though it makes a good point in saying that therewas a confusion between anti soviet and anti Russian, then says that thisis a favoring of nationalist and political values over spiritual.But it seems to me, that the panslavism preached apparently and theassumption that Russia as if it were the core and heart and soul of Orthodoxy,is a confusion of spiritual values with nationalist and political values. The listof mortal sins I notice does not include the heresies and immorality andgeneral unbelief that was developing. People who denounce a foreigner'sviews of Tsarist Russia should read similar denunciations by a hierarch orsomething similarly important and credible, who complained of people whocross themselves, prostrate, and take communion then go outside thechurch building and are cusring and murdering each other soon after.A tendency to view the past in a rosy light up to one moment as if nothingwent on leading up to it, makes me wonder if the second prophecy wasmore wishful thinking than prophecy - or perhaps a mix of the two.Beware of panslavism, the union and cooperation of all slavic nations. It is agreat deception, that originated outside the Church per se, and in the realmof worldly romantic movements of the 1700 and 1800s especially the latter,when a concept of nation that mixed blood, land and language rather thanallegiance to a specific king or government, began to grow. This manifesteditself in the Turkish ethnic feeling that ecllipsed whatever limits Islam mighthave put and caused many atrocities against non Turk populations, usuallyChristian; in the panslavism; in the pan germanism that resulted in a unitedGermany under Bismark and went on in WW II to annex the Sudentenlandbecause of German population there; and so on and so forth.Many things can put on an Orthodox veneer. And as someone pointed out,heresies arose more from among the clergy than the laity, though of coursethe laity followed.Mary Christine Erikson
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From: "Infowolf1@..." Infowolf1@..." Beware of panslavism, the union and cooperation of all slavic nations. "There are saints that disagree with you here. I'm running off or I'd sit down and list, perhaps Sunday late I will get some free time. But who would want the *division* of all slavic nations, except the West? I mean, can you imagine--all Slavic nations becoming Orthodox, and cooperating? What a thought!?You also can't compare Orthodox Russia and slavic lands uniting in Orthodoxy with secular nations uniting in secularism.Well, my 2c dashed off. Now I ask everyone to remember my reposed mother, Mary, in your prayers (Orthodox)--tomorrow, Saturday, is the anniversary of her repose.--Dimitra Dwelley
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