Re: "Schism Saints"
- --- In email@example.com, DDD <dimitradd@c...> wrote:
> The grace of the Holy Spirit is not to be underestimated!before the Revolution, the Russian Orthodox Church decided to soften
> A similar situation existed with the Old Believers. Even
its position and allow Old Believers to come back--with their Rite
intact--only they would recognize and belong to the Orthodox
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To your post...
I myself don't see the Old Believers as being very analogous
to the "Oriental Orthodox." The Old Believers had the same
dogmatic foundation as the Church, and those who had
Priests, or the services of Priests, were in some sense
maintaining Communion with the Church. Neither of which can
be said of the "Oriental Orthodox." Also, the Old Believers
existed apart for a comparatively short time--nothing like
1,500 years. And they had no Bishops (so far as I know),
and so they had no-one who could authoritatively glorify
anyone among them as a new "Saint." In all these respects,
the "Oriental Orthodox" differ significantly from the Old
Believers, and these differences make reconciliation all
the more difficult.
In one respect, though, our Bishops did make a significant
condescension, or act of Economy, in receiving the Old
Believers: our Bishops allowed them to retain an addition
to the Symbol of Faith, as can be seen in the "Old Orthodox
Prayer Book." I assume this addition is recited in their
Liturgies as well.
- GLORY TO JESUS CHRIST GLORY TO HIM FOREVER
Does it make any changes in belief. To me it is like
saying "the living and the dead" vs "the quick and the
Love in Christ,
Sub-deacon Lawrence Most
--- Athanasios Jayne <athanasiosj@...> wrote:
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, larry most__________________________________
> <larrymost2002@y...> wrote:
> > GLORY TO JESUS CHRIST GLORY TO HIM FOREVER
> > Dear Athanasios,
> > From the "Old Rite Prayerbook" .."And in the Holy
> > Spirit, the Lord true and lifegiving, Who
> > from the Father....". I don't see any addition
> > unless it differs in the newer prayer book.
> > Love in Christ,
> > Sub-deacon Lawrence Most
> Dear Fr. Lawrence,
> The addition is the word "true," which is not
> present in
> the original text of the Niceno-Constantinopolitan
> of Faith, as set forth by the Second Ecumenical
> of A.D. 381. If you compare the "Old Orthodox
> Book" (of the former "Old Believers" who joined
> to the Jordanville Book or any other Orthodox text,
> will see that they do not have the word "true" in
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