Re: [orthodox-rocor] Re: Deaconesses
- Al, the bottom of the page gives the e-mail address of the website owner
Also, one of the linked articles is from
This is the site of Fr Archimandrite Ephrem Lash, and he would know details
about the deaconess site.
His e-mail is ephrem@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "aggreen1" <aggreen1@...>
> ***There is no identification as to who is behind this web site,
> although the articles seem authentic. I would like to link to it on my
> web site, but the veracity of the web site developer is essential and
> I do not want to link to a weirdo site. Does anyone on this list know
> who developed this site on deaconesses? thanks,
- What else would they be called? If this is a *re-introduction* of the role
of deaconesses why would (or should) they be called anything else?
From: aprmih [mailto:aprmih@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 9:45 PM
Subject: [orthodox-rocor] Re: Deaconesses
I don't have any objection to the re-introductions of the role of the
deaconess into orthodox life. I do, however, suspect that because the
name "deaconess" is the female variant of "deacon", the uninformed
and/or the self-serving might be lead to believe and subsequently
demand that the office have a more sacramental role than it did or
should. This might not be the case in Ethiopia, but in N. America and
Europe the likelihood is much higher. Why open the door to
temptation? In short, do they *have* to be called "deaconessess"
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, <emrys@g...> wrote:
> Dear Archpriest Fr Symeon,
> Here is a useful site with articles and resources on "The Historical
> Orthodox Deaconess"
> My humble opinion is that by (re-)introducing deaconesses as, first
> "high ranking nuns" the Church of Greece is seeking to make it
> them to gain acceptance among the faithful. It is a transitional
> Orthodox monastics, whether monks or nuns, have no real role in the
> social work undertaken by deaconesses. We have no teaching orders,
> medical orders, no missionary orders, etc. Monks and nuns are
> lives of prayer and fasting and spiritual asceticism. Their models
> monastics of the early life in the desert, Saint Anthony of Egypt,
> Paul of Thebes. We form one great brotherhood and sisterhood with
> spiritual work and traditions.
> Deaconesses, on the other hand, had (will have again?) an active
> play within the Church and its social life, its educational life,
> is what the Greek bishops seem to be wanting to create themselves.
> Here is something from a web article "DEACONESSES"
> The duties outlined are inappropriate to a monastic life, so
> must eventually find their own role and work within the Church.
> "The deaconess had specific duties. Among them was to instruct
> female candidates for baptism, to assist at their baptism which was
> immersion, they did the anointing with oil at the baptism as it was
> considered proper for the male clergy to touch a woman, they
> cared for the sick, they were present at interviews of women with
> bishops or priests, they dismissed women catechumens from the
> kept general order in the women's section of the church (men and
> segregated as they were up to about 25 years ago in our churches in
> America), and they did other duties delegated by the bishop like
> poor. They were in a sense the educators of women in the faith and
> workers. Deaconesses were ordained in the Eastern Church as late as
> century. The office was disused in the Western Church somewhat
> The Copts have already undertaken the creation of deaconesses in
> contemporary church life. It seems that they have already
> misunderstanding of the life of a nun and the life of a deaconess
> are working on clarifying it.
> "The Third Way" - a Coptic Church article about the successful
> reintroduction of deaconesses into the modern life of the Coptic
> Of course, what we are awaiting with bated breath is to see what,
> liturgical role the Church of Greece will assign to its deaconesses.
> Fr Ambrose
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