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  • Mark Karahalis
    Hence the predictions of Father Zosima the Elder from the book Karamazov Brothers by Fyodor Dostoyevski
    Message 1 of 7 , Mar 27, 2013
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      Hence the predictions of Father Zosima the Elder from the book "Karamazov Brothers" by Fyodor Dostoyevski

      On Mar 27, 2013 10:24 AM, "Fr Tryphon" <frtryphon@...> wrote:
       

      Build it, and they will come. If the Church ever expects the inhabitants of neighborhoods return to the Faith (or discover the Orthodox Faith for the first time), churches must be built. Easier to get the people to attend a parish in their neighborhood, than expect them to travel across town.
      Abbot Tryphon

      On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Rudolph Carrera <rudolphcarrera@...> wrote:
       

      Most of them, unfortunately, are empty.  That money could be better used for missionary work and shelters.

      Sent from my iPad

      On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:27 PM, <ambrois@...> wrote:

       

      Breathtaking!   200 new churches in one city!
       
       

      http://rbth.ru/society/2013/03/26/200_new_orthodox_churches_in_moscow_causes_public_stir_24285.html

      200 new Orthodox churches in Moscow causes public stir

      March 26, 2013 Anna Vasilieva, Kommersant-Dengi

      The Russian Orthodox Church is going full-speed ahead with its plan to
      build 200 new churches in Moscow, despite complaints from non-believers
      and members of other religious groups.

      As part of the 200 Churches Program approved by the Russian Orthodox
      Church two years ago, eight new churches have already been built in five
      districts of Moscow. Thirteen more are under construction, and the
      documentation for a future 36 churches has been completed.

      Patriarch Kirill announced in the summer of 2010 that the Russian
      Orthodox Church would need to build at least 200 new churches. He based
      his argument on the numbers: If, in Russia overall, there is one church
      for every 11,000--13,000 residents, then, in Moscow, (where there are
      only 650 churches and chapels) every place of worship must accommodate
      two or three times as many people.

      Many see the realization of the 200 Churches Program as the ideological
      expansion of the Russian Orthodox Church; even some Orthodox believers
      are disturbed by it.

      Most disgruntled of all by this program are people who live in the
      districts where the new churches are being built or will be built. In
      principle, they are not against this sort of construction, but they say
      that more thought should be put into choosing the sites --- parks and
      squares should be left untouched.

      Meanwhile, many Muscovites cannot understand why new Orthodox churches
      have to be built at all. They say that the churches near them are
      largely deserted, even during important Orthodox holidays. In their
      opinion, it would be far more logical for the Russian Orthodox Church to
      spend its money on shelters for the homeless.

      The Russian Orthodox Church insists that the program's naysayers are a
      small minority. Philip Gril, leader of a movement that supports building
      new Orthodox churches, noted that "under Soviet rule, some 1,000
      churches in Moscow were destroyed; so today's construction of 200 new
      churches is a partial restitution of debts to the Church."

      The trickiest aspect of implementing the 200 Churches Program is the
      privileged position that municipal authorities have accorded the
      interests of the Orthodox Church. Despite statements to the effect that
      Moscow is a multi-denominational city, other religious groups have few
      churches of their own. The Catholic Church has two churches and 12
      parishes. The Jewish faith has five synagogues; Muslims have four
      mosques and Lutherans have three churches.

      Experts agree that the question of building new mosques is most pressing
      of all. Some 2 million Muslims live in Moscow. Last year, the United
      Center of Muslim Organizations in Russia finally received permission to
      build a new mosque. However, residents of the district in which the
      construction was planned came out against the project and it was dropped.

      Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin believes that "two-thirds of the Muslims
      who go to the city's mosques have no registration papers, therefore, it
      is not yet a fact that Moscow needs to build more mosques."

      The Moscow population mostly approves of such conclusions. Experts, on
      the other hand, say that the numbers of Muslims in Moscow will not
      diminish due to the lack of mosques. Meanwhile, relations between the
      different nationalities are becoming worse and worse with every passing
      year.

      "Muscovites have become hostages to their phobias with respect to
      Muslims," said Abdul-Vakhed Niyazov, president of the Islamic Cultural
      Center of Russia, in response to an earlier, unsuccessful bid to build a
      mosque in the Moscow district of Mitino.

      Other religious groups are also dissatisfied. The Federation of Jewish
      Communities of Russia has informed the municipal authorities many times
      of the need to build several more synagogues in addition to the existing
      five. No new synagogues are being built, even though Russian President
      Vladimir Putin opened the world's largest museum of Jewish history in 2012.

      Small religious sects, too, have their complaints. Krishna worshippers,
      for example, have been trying for almost a decade to replace the loss of
      the building which, since 1991, had been their only temple in Moscow. It
      was razed in 2004. Despite the active support of foreign politicians and
      cultural leaders, construction of a new Krishna temple has yet to begin.

      As for the construction of Orthodox churches, residents' protests have
      not gone entirely unheard. So far, at 19 hearings concerning the 200
      Churches Program, the protesters have managed to win negative decisions.
      Meanwhile, the municipal authorities have given the Russian Orthodox
      Church twice as many new sites from which to choose.

      /The article is abridged and first published in Russian in
      Kommersant-Dengi magazine <http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2140608>. /




      --
      Very Rev. Abbot Tryphon
      All-Merciful Saviour Monastery
      Vashon Island, WA 98070-2420

      frtryphon@...
      http://www.vashonmonks.com
      http://morningoffering.blogspot.com/
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    • Meg Lark
      ... I ve been on Facebook *way* too much - my first reaction was to look for a Like button. Meg Lark
      Message 2 of 7 , Mar 27, 2013
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        On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Fr Tryphon <frtryphon@...> wrote:
         

        Build it, and they will come. If the Church ever expects the inhabitants of neighborhoods return to the Faith (or discover the Orthodox Faith for the first time), churches must be built. Easier to get the people to attend a parish in their neighborhood, than expect them to travel across town.
        Abbot Tryphon


        I've been on Facebook *way* too much - my first reaction was to look for a Like button.

        Meg Lark 
      • Rudolph Carrera
        I know, Father. But it s not good to walk into so many empty churches. If they keep doing outreach, that would be wonderful. One day, those churches can
        Message 3 of 7 , Mar 27, 2013
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          I know, Father.  But it's not good to walk into so many empty churches.  If they keep doing outreach, that would be wonderful.  One day, those churches can grow to capacity and then have the far better problem of really needing to build more churches instead of showpieces.

          --
          Regards,

          Rudy Carrera
          Los Angeles, California, USA - Skopje, Macedonia - And wherever I end up next
          http://clcx.org/
          http://rudycarrera.com/
          http://amiscellany.info/



          On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:24 AM, <ambrois@...> wrote:
           

          The  Moscow Diocese operates 400 soup kitchens in Moscow.  Drug  addiction centres,  etc.
           
           

          Most of them, unfortunately, are empty.  That money could be better used for missionary work and shelters.

          Sent from my iPad

          On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:27 PM, <ambrois@...> wrote:

           
          Breathtaking!   200 new churches in one city!
           
           

          http://rbth.ru/society/2013/03/26/200_new_orthodox_churches_in_moscow_causes_public_stir_24285.html

          200 new Orthodox churches in Moscow causes public stir

          March 26, 2013 Anna Vasilieva, Kommersant-Dengi

          The Russian Orthodox Church is going full-speed ahead with its plan to
          build 200 new churches in Moscow, despite complaints from non-believers
          and members of other religious groups.

          As part of the 200 Churches Program approved by the Russian Orthodox
          Church two years ago, eight new churches have already been built in five
          districts of Moscow. Thirteen more are under construction, and the
          documentation for a future 36 churches has been completed.

          Patriarch Kirill announced in the summer of 2010 that the Russian
          Orthodox Church would need to build at least 200 new churches. He based
          his argument on the numbers: If, in Russia overall, there is one church
          for every 11,000--13,000 residents, then, in Moscow, (where there are
          only 650 churches and chapels) every place of worship must accommodate
          two or three times as many people.

          Many see the realization of the 200 Churches Program as the ideological
          expansion of the Russian Orthodox Church; even some Orthodox believers
          are disturbed by it.

          Most disgruntled of all by this program are people who live in the
          districts where the new churches are being built or will be built. In
          principle, they are not against this sort of construction, but they say
          that more thought should be put into choosing the sites --- parks and
          squares should be left untouched.

          Meanwhile, many Muscovites cannot understand why new Orthodox churches
          have to be built at all. They say that the churches near them are
          largely deserted, even during important Orthodox holidays. In their
          opinion, it would be far more logical for the Russian Orthodox Church to
          spend its money on shelters for the homeless.

          The Russian Orthodox Church insists that the program's naysayers are a
          small minority. Philip Gril, leader of a movement that supports building
          new Orthodox churches, noted that "under Soviet rule, some 1,000
          churches in Moscow were destroyed; so today's construction of 200 new
          churches is a partial restitution of debts to the Church."

          The trickiest aspect of implementing the 200 Churches Program is the
          privileged position that municipal authorities have accorded the
          interests of the Orthodox Church. Despite statements to the effect that
          Moscow is a multi-denominational city, other religious groups have few
          churches of their own. The Catholic Church has two churches and 12
          parishes. The Jewish faith has five synagogues; Muslims have four
          mosques and Lutherans have three churches.

          Experts agree that the question of building new mosques is most pressing
          of all. Some 2 million Muslims live in Moscow. Last year, the United
          Center of Muslim Organizations in Russia finally received permission to
          build a new mosque. However, residents of the district in which the
          construction was planned came out against the project and it was dropped.

          Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin believes that "two-thirds of the Muslims
          who go to the city's mosques have no registration papers, therefore, it
          is not yet a fact that Moscow needs to build more mosques."

          The Moscow population mostly approves of such conclusions. Experts, on
          the other hand, say that the numbers of Muslims in Moscow will not
          diminish due to the lack of mosques. Meanwhile, relations between the
          different nationalities are becoming worse and worse with every passing
          year.

          "Muscovites have become hostages to their phobias with respect to
          Muslims," said Abdul-Vakhed Niyazov, president of the Islamic Cultural
          Center of Russia, in response to an earlier, unsuccessful bid to build a
          mosque in the Moscow district of Mitino.

          Other religious groups are also dissatisfied. The Federation of Jewish
          Communities of Russia has informed the municipal authorities many times
          of the need to build several more synagogues in addition to the existing
          five. No new synagogues are being built, even though Russian President
          Vladimir Putin opened the world's largest museum of Jewish history in 2012.

          Small religious sects, too, have their complaints. Krishna worshippers,
          for example, have been trying for almost a decade to replace the loss of
          the building which, since 1991, had been their only temple in Moscow. It
          was razed in 2004. Despite the active support of foreign politicians and
          cultural leaders, construction of a new Krishna temple has yet to begin.

          As for the construction of Orthodox churches, residents' protests have
          not gone entirely unheard. So far, at 19 hearings concerning the 200
          Churches Program, the protesters have managed to win negative decisions.
          Meanwhile, the municipal authorities have given the Russian Orthodox
          Church twice as many new sites from which to choose.

          /The article is abridged and first published in Russian in
          Kommersant-Dengi magazine <http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2140608>. /




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