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  • Lee Snover
    ... From: gkfarley@comcast.net Reply-To: on3@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:29:30 +0000 To: on3@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [on3] Outside frame
    Message 1 of 15 , Jul 1, 2004
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      From: gkfarley@...
      Reply-To: on3@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:29:30 +0000
      To: on3@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [on3] Outside frame 4-6-0

      White Pass also has several outside framed ten wheelers. Very cool engines.
      Glenn


      Anyone know where they came from??? builder??

      spec.s??

      Lee


      On30
      Broadway Ltd. "Sidekick" two button control panel for programing ease
      and works whistle and bell on DC (not for DCC) railroads! List $29.99
      LeeTown Price: $24.50 +$2.00 for S&H (No shipping charge if ordered with a
      C-16. loco)

      Broadway Ltd. On30 C-16s: Pay by Check or MO. (Credit card purchasers
      add 3%)....NJ residents plus tax. Price: $269.99 list. LEETOWN PRICE:
      $212.00 delivered in the USA!!

      IN STOCK: Item Desc. (all On30)
      C-16 Class 2-8-0
      903- #268 (round domes), painted in yellow "Bumble Bee"Scheme $10.00
      extra


      RESERVATIONS ONLY (Sept.Oct. Nov. Dec. delivery expected but not
      guaranteed!)
      Bachmann On30 28 ton Climax, wood cab I understand.
      $275.00 MRSP... LeeTown Price $189.00 ea. plus $8.00 S&I.
      #25757 Greenbrier & Big Run Lumber Co. #6
      #25760 Pocahontas Lumber Co #7
      #25761 Midwest Quarry & Mining Co #8
      #25762 Colorado Mining Co. #6
      #25763 Little River Logging Co #6
      #25799 Painted, not lettered,(Black)

      RESERVATIONS ONLY: BACHMANN
      NOTE: Due earlly 2005!!! Bachmann On30 outside framed 2-8-0 On30
      List $245.00 LeeTown Price: $169.00 ea. plus $8.00 ea. S&I.
      #25960 Pocahontas Lumber Co.
      #25961 Midwest Quarry & Mining Co.
      #25962 Colorado Mining Co.
      #25963 Little River Logging Co.
      #25998 painted, no lettering Black w/red & white trim)
      #25999 painted, unlettered, (black_

      IN STOCK!

      Bachmann "V" tip Cars, 3 pack $60.00 my price $45.00

      LeeTown Models & Stuff It Storage Co.
      15 Adams St.
      Belvidere, NJ 07823

      ALWAYS REPLY OFF LIST!!

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    • gkfarley@comcast.net
      Lee, I do. And will check them out for you. Baldwin comes to mind, and I think I also have construction #s etc. I also believe they had two OF 4-6-0s, but I
      Message 2 of 15 , Jul 1, 2004
        Lee,
        I do. And will check them out for you. Baldwin comes to mind, and I think I also have construction #s etc. I also believe they had two OF 4-6-0s, but I don't think they were twins.

        Glenn


        -------------- Original message --------------

        >
        > ----------
        > From: gkfarley@...
        > Reply-To: on3@yahoogroups.com
        > Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:29:30 +0000
        > To: on3@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: Re: [on3] Outside frame 4-6-0
        >
        > White Pass also has several outside framed ten wheelers. Very cool engines.
        > Glenn
        >
        >
        > Anyone know where they came from??? builder??
        >
        > spec.s??
        >
        > Lee
        >
        >
        > On30
        > Broadway Ltd. "Sidekick" two button control panel for programing ease
        > and works whistle and bell on DC (not for DCC) railroads! List $29.99
        > LeeTown Price: $24.50 +$2.00 for S&H (No shipping charge if ordered with a
        > C-16. loco)
        >
        > Broadway Ltd. On30 C-16s: Pay by Check or MO. (Credit card purchasers
        > add 3%)....NJ residents plus tax. Price: $269.99 list. LEETOWN PRICE:
        > $212.00 delivered in the USA!!
        >
        > IN STOCK: Item Desc. (all On30)
        > C-16 Class 2-8-0
        > 903- #268 (round domes), painted in yellow "Bumble Bee"Scheme $10.00
        > extra
        >
        >
        > RESERVATIONS ONLY (Sept.Oct. Nov. Dec. delivery expected but not
        > guaranteed!)
        > Bachmann On30 28 ton Climax, wood cab I understand.
        > $275.00 MRSP... LeeTown Price $189.00 ea. plus $8.00 S&I.
        > #25757 Greenbrier & Big Run Lumber Co. #6
        > #25760 Pocahontas Lumber Co #7
        > #25761 Midwest Quarry & Mining Co #8
        > #25762 Colorado Mining Co. #6
        > #25763 Little River Logging Co #6
        > #25799 Painted, not lettered,(Black)
        >
        > RESERVATIONS ONLY: BACHMANN
        > NOTE: Due earlly 2005!!! Bachmann On30 outside framed 2-8-0 On30
        > List $245.00 LeeTown Price: $169.00 ea. plus $8.00 ea. S&I.
        > #25960 Pocahontas Lumber Co.
        > #25961 Midwest Quarry & Mining Co.
        > #25962 Colorado Mining Co.
        > #25963 Little River Logging Co.
        > #25998 painted, no lettering Black w/red & white trim)
        > #25999 painted, unlettered, (black_
        >
        > IN STOCK!
        >
        > Bachmann "V" tip Cars, 3 pack $60.00 my price $45.00
        >
        > LeeTown Models & Stuff It Storage Co.
        > 15 Adams St.
        > Belvidere, NJ 07823
        >
        > ALWAYS REPLY OFF LIST!!
        >
        > 908 475-4404 9-4-- NJ residents must include 6% sales tax.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Remember, additional On3 photos and files can now be found at:
        >
        > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/On3photos
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >

        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      • C.Mutschler
        Lee, The White Pass & Yukon had several Baldwin 4-6-0 s. Not sure if they were all outside frame locomotives, but some of them were. Photos of No. 59 show an
        Message 3 of 15 , Jul 1, 2004
          Lee,

          The White Pass & Yukon had several Baldwin 4-6-0's. Not sure if
          they were all outside frame locomotives, but some of them were.
          Photos of No. 59 show an outside frame locomotive with the
          counterweights on the drivers, and only the cranks extending
          beyond the frame.

          WP&Y 59 - BLW # 17749, 1900. Scrapped 1941.
          WP&Y 60 - BLW # 17750, 1900. Retired 1942, used as rip-rap at
          MP 2.5, 1949.
          WP&Y 62 - BLW # 17895, 1900. Retired 1945, used as rip-rap at
          MP 2.5, 1949.
          WP&Y 66 - BLW # 18964, 1901. Retired 1953, used as rip-rap?
          WP&Y 67 - BLW # 18965, 1901. Retired 1951, used as rip-rap?

          Nos. 59, 60, 66, and 67 had the following mechanical dimensions:
          Cylinders - 17 x 20
          Drivers - 42
          Weight - 161,000#
          Tractive Effort - 15,400#
          Boiler Pressure 180#

          No. 62 had 44 inch drivers and 14,600# TE, otherwise identical
          to the other four.

          Note That WP&Y Nos. 10 and 14 were ex ET&WNC Baldwin 4-6-0's.
          Conventional inside frame locomotive with Walschaerts valve
          gear, but slide valves. Appearance much like coal-fired
          versions of SP 18.

          The Oahu locos 85, 876 and 88 were all ALCO - Cooke outside
          frame 4-6-0's with the counterweights on the wheels.

          Cheers! And happy building.
          Charlie Mutschler
          -30-
          On Thursday, July 1, 2004, at 06:59 AM, Lee Snover wrote:

          >
          > ----------
          > From: gkfarley@...
          > Reply-To: on3@yahoogroups.com
          > Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:29:30 +0000
          > To: on3@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: Re: [on3] Outside frame 4-6-0
          >
          > White Pass also has several outside framed ten wheelers. Very
          > cool engines.
          > Glenn
          >
          >
          > Anyone know where they came from??? builder??
          >
          > spec.s??
          >
          > Lee
          >
        • C.Mutschler
          Lee, Take a look at Bruce Pryor s web site for photos of WP&Y locos. To make a long story short, Nos. 59, 60, 66, and 67 are identical outside frame 4-6-0 s,
          Message 4 of 15 , Jul 1, 2004
            Lee,

            Take a look at Bruce Pryor's web site for photos of WP&Y locos.

            To make a long story short, Nos. 59, 60, 66, and 67 are
            identical outside frame 4-6-0's, with counterweights on the
            drivers, and Stephenson valve gear, slide valves. Baldwin gave
            different figures for tractive effort - apparently the WP&Y
            rated locomotives at a lower tractive effort than the typical
            formula used by most builders. The Baldwin rating for these
            locos was 21,100#TE.

            The builders photo of No. 62 shows a typical INSIDE frame
            Baldwin 4-6-0. Baldwin rated No. 62 at 22,100# TE.

            Happy building.

            Charlie Mutschler
            -30-
            On Thursday, July 1, 2004, at 04:58 PM, C.Mutschler wrote:

            > Lee,
            >
            > The White Pass & Yukon had several Baldwin 4-6-0's. Not sure if
            > they were all outside frame locomotives, but some of them were.
            > Photos of No. 59 show an outside frame locomotive with the
            > counterweights on the drivers, and only the cranks extending
            > beyond the frame.
            >
            > WP&Y 59 - BLW # 17749, 1900. Scrapped 1941.
            > WP&Y 60 - BLW # 17750, 1900. Retired 1942, used as rip-rap at
            > MP 2.5, 1949.
            > WP&Y 62 - BLW # 17895, 1900. Retired 1945, used as rip-rap at
            > MP 2.5, 1949.
            > WP&Y 66 - BLW # 18964, 1901. Retired 1953, used as rip-rap?
            > WP&Y 67 - BLW # 18965, 1901. Retired 1951, used as rip-rap?
            >
            > Nos. 59, 60, 66, and 67 had the following mechanical dimensions:
            > Cylinders - 17 x 20
            > Drivers - 42
            > Weight - 161,000#
            > Tractive Effort - 15,400#
            > Boiler Pressure 180#

            NOTE THAT THE ORIGINAL SURMISE THAT 62 WAS AN OUTSIDE FRAME LOCO
            SIMILAR TO THE OTHER 4 IS WORNG!!!
            > No. 62 had 44 inch drivers and 14,600# TE, otherwise identical
            > to the other four.

            SEE NOTE ABOVE -
          • Lee Snover
            Hi Charlie, it would appear they were built for the WP&Y then??? Lee, The White Pass & Yukon had several Baldwin 4-6-0 s. Not sure if they were all outside
            Message 5 of 15 , Jul 2, 2004
              Hi Charlie,

              it would appear they were built for the WP&Y then???
              Lee,

              The White Pass & Yukon had several Baldwin 4-6-0's. Not sure if
              they were all outside frame locomotives, but some of them were.
              Photos of No. 59 show an outside frame locomotive with the
              counterweights on the drivers, and only the cranks extending
              beyond the frame.

              WP&Y 59 - BLW # 17749, 1900. Scrapped 1941.
              WP&Y 60 - BLW # 17750, 1900. Retired 1942, used as rip-rap at
              MP 2.5, 1949.
              WP&Y 62 - BLW # 17895, 1900. Retired 1945, used as rip-rap at
              MP 2.5, 1949.
              WP&Y 66 - BLW # 18964, 1901. Retired 1953, used as rip-rap?
              WP&Y 67 - BLW # 18965, 1901. Retired 1951, used as rip-rap?

              Nos. 59, 60, 66, and 67 had the following mechanical dimensions:
              Cylinders - 17 x 20
              Drivers - 42
              Weight - 161,000#
              Tractive Effort - 15,400#
              Boiler Pressure 180#

              No. 62 had 44 inch drivers and 14,600# TE, otherwise identical
              to the other four.

              Note That WP&Y Nos. 10 and 14 were ex ET&WNC Baldwin 4-6-0's.
              Conventional inside frame locomotive with Walschaerts valve
              gear, but slide valves. Appearance much like coal-fired
              versions of SP 18.

              The Oahu locos 85, 876 and 88 were all ALCO - Cooke outside
              frame 4-6-0's with the counterweights on the wheels.

              Cheers! And happy building.
              Charlie Mutschler
              -30-
              On Thursday, July 1, 2004, at 06:59 AM, Lee Snover wrote:



              [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            • fred1945_1
              The Oahu locos 85, 876 and 88 were all ALCO - Cooke outside frame 4-6-0 s with the counterweights on the wheels. Anyone know what size drivers on #85? Phread
              Message 6 of 15 , Jul 2, 2004
                "The Oahu locos 85, 876 and 88 were all ALCO - Cooke outside frame 4-6-0's
                with the counterweights on the wheels."

                Anyone know what size drivers on #85?

                Phread

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "Lee Snover" <leesnover@...>
                To: <on3@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:13 AM
                Subject: Re: [on3] Outside frame 4-6-0


                > Hi Charlie,
                >
                > it would appear they were built for the WP&Y then???
                > Lee,
                >
                > The White Pass & Yukon had several Baldwin 4-6-0's. Not sure if
                > they were all outside frame locomotives, but some of them were.
                > Photos of No. 59 show an outside frame locomotive with the
                > counterweights on the drivers, and only the cranks extending
                > beyond the frame.
                >
                > WP&Y 59 - BLW # 17749, 1900. Scrapped 1941.
                > WP&Y 60 - BLW # 17750, 1900. Retired 1942, used as rip-rap at
                > MP 2.5, 1949.
                > WP&Y 62 - BLW # 17895, 1900. Retired 1945, used as rip-rap at
                > MP 2.5, 1949.
                > WP&Y 66 - BLW # 18964, 1901. Retired 1953, used as rip-rap?
                > WP&Y 67 - BLW # 18965, 1901. Retired 1951, used as rip-rap?
                >
                > Nos. 59, 60, 66, and 67 had the following mechanical dimensions:
                > Cylinders - 17 x 20
                > Drivers - 42
                > Weight - 161,000#
                > Tractive Effort - 15,400#
                > Boiler Pressure 180#
                >
                > No. 62 had 44 inch drivers and 14,600# TE, otherwise identical
                > to the other four.
                >
                > Note That WP&Y Nos. 10 and 14 were ex ET&WNC Baldwin 4-6-0's.
                > Conventional inside frame locomotive with Walschaerts valve
                > gear, but slide valves. Appearance much like coal-fired
                > versions of SP 18.
                >
                > The Oahu locos 85, 876 and 88 were all ALCO - Cooke outside
                > frame 4-6-0's with the counterweights on the wheels.
                >
                > Cheers! And happy building.
                > Charlie Mutschler
                > -30-
                > On Thursday, July 1, 2004, at 06:59 AM, Lee Snover wrote:
                >
                >
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > Remember, additional On3 photos and files can now be found at:
                >
                > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/On3photos
                > Yahoo! Groups Links
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
              • Ted Wiese
                Interesting information - I was there 6 years ago, and there were 2 or 3 outside framed locos in the scrap yard. Now, I know what they were. ted ... Ted Wiese
                Message 7 of 15 , Jul 11, 2004
                  Interesting information - I was there 6 years ago, and there were 2
                  or 3 outside framed
                  locos in the scrap yard. Now, I know what they were.

                  ted


                  >Lee,
                  >
                  >Take a look at Bruce Pryor's web site for photos of WP&Y locos.
                  >
                  >To make a long story short, Nos. 59, 60, 66, and 67 are
                  >identical outside frame 4-6-0's, with counterweights on the
                  >drivers, and Stephenson valve gear, slide valves. Baldwin gave
                  >different figures for tractive effort - apparently the WP&Y
                  >rated locomotives at a lower tractive effort than the typical
                  >formula used by most builders. The Baldwin rating for these
                  >locos was 21,100#TE.

                  Ted Wiese
                  San Juan Southern Railroad
                  mononbell@...
                  Modeling RGS to Red Mountain in On3
                  Layout photos at http://photos.yahoo.com/ngtrains455
                  Mini-Bunch at http://www.narrowtracks.com/minibunch
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