Terral, have you made, or have you any plans to make, an updated 3-D animation of the Pentagon events?
- Subject:Have you made, or have you any plans to make,an updated 3-D animation of the Pentagon events?Greetings Terral,The animations here are very useful:http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/nsa.htmlBarring release of numerous additional surveillance videos,e.g. the ones already confiscated by the FBI, it occurs to methat such an updated animation could help all concernedto focus on the overall validity of the main hypothesisthat is diligently illustrated by such an animation.It could also be extremely useful during Grand Jury proceedings.We prepared an Executive Summary to U.S. Coast Guard Investigationsthat was necessarily hampered by a severe scarcity of hard evidence,and certain photographic evidence which had obviously been alteredwith resolution changes and re-coloring at key pixel coordinatese.g. to obscure the A-3's fuselage forward of the visible tail section.(Of course, such intentional alterations of murder weapon evidenceis a serious FELONY, all things considered.)One of the key photographs discussed in that Executive Summary is attached,for your information.I proposed such a 3-D animation many years ago,but that proposal never saw the light of day,for a variety of reasons and circumstancesthat were, and still are, far beyond my control.p.s. You will please forgive me in advance for not copying every email addressthat shows up below: I have no desire to continue debating anyone who resorts toname-calling, insults or ad hominem approaches to this homicide investigation.I certainly do NOT resort to such mean-spirited techniques, and I requirethe same respect from every American.Of course, I will be the first to admit that new evidence may require thatI modify the hypothesis that we documented in our Executive Summaryto U.S. Coast Guard Investigations.As of today, I have not been presented with any evidence that refutes the major thesis:The Pentagon was hit, at a minimum, with an air-to-ground missile and a modified A-3 Skywarrior.And, consistent with that thesis, we continue to pursue consequential leads such as reports thatseparate teams were assembled at a private aircraft hangar located on the grounds ofFort Collins-Loveland Municipal Airport -- to install all necessary modifications --and reports that a Russian surveillance satellite photographed the launch of that modified A-3from the flight deck of the USS George Washington, while she was anchored off thecoast of Long Island on the morning of 9/11/2001.Thank you.Sincerely yours,
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From: Terral Croft <terralcroft@...>
To: DickEastmanGroup1 <peter.sault@...>; DickEastmanGroup <denzen@...>; DickEastman <oldickeastman@...>; DickEastmentGroup2 <s.1234567@...>; DickEastmanGroup3 <whole2th@...>; DickEastmanGroup4 <firstname.lastname@example.org>; DickEastmanGroup5 <email@example.com>; DickEastmentGroup6 <paulandrewmitchell2004@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 2:47 PM
Subject: RE: David Ray Griffin and Richard Gage compromised - in their denial of the Pentagon evidence and witness testimony
Hi again Peter:I was looking over the link you sent and wanted to comment on the NTSB letter to Mr. Adian Monaghan dated July 18, 2008.“… was positively identified as belonging to: … American Airlines flight 77 (N644AA) ...”.This statement is most certainly a fabrication with no basis in reality. No American Airlines 757 has ever been assigned N644AA registry in history. Go and check the Bureau of Transportation Statistics for yourself. N644AA was a Global Guardian Wargame jetliner that became the 'inject' onto Dulles Air Traffic Control Radar, so Danielle O'Brien would make the report of the crashed airliner at 9:32; which is the reason the Terror Chronology Timeline says very clearly that the airplane crashed into the west side of the Pentagon at 0932:History should have reported that the Pentagon was attacked at exactly 9:31:39 AM, when the missile and A-3 made impact to bring down the E-ring roof and simulate a jetliner crash. The missile bow shockwave threw a monkey wrench into the Cheney-Rumsfeld Black Operation by knocking down four of the five light poles that threw the A-3 off course initiating the order for the second and then third attacks. The E-ring roof that should have collapsed at 9:31:39 finally fell at exactly 10:15:16 AM with NOTHING to do with any jetliner. The distance from the E-ring wall to the C-ring wall is only 220 feet and the so-called jetliner is 175 feet long and 125 feet wide weighing 100 tons with two 6-ton engines. The time differential between the E-ring impact and C-ring impact is only .39 seconds at the reported 530 miles per hour on the 45-degree angle and NOTHING in this universe could stop the 60-ton titanium frame and those two 6-ton engines from crashing through the C-ring wall; which most certain never happened. Jim Ritter and the NTSB are carrying water for Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and the Council on Foreign Relations-initiated 911 Attacks by filing these false reports in the knowledge that the lettered agencies themselves carried out the attacks and are also engaged in running the cover-up operation.http://www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/107409-aa77-never-used-american-airlines-n644aa-jetliner.htmlThis is my post making the case for N644AA never being assigned to any AA Jetliner.Regards,Terral========================Hi TerralHave you by any chance been able to fix the time of the Porter Goss press conference outside the evacuated Capitol?Peter
From: galen [mailto:denzen@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 04:58 PM
Cc: 'Terral Croft', 'galen', 'Peter Wakefield Sault', 'Susan Clarke', 'Ed Kendrick', '9-11 NeXuS',
'PA Patriot', 'Paul Andrew Mitchell'
Subject: Re: David Ray Griffin and Richard Gage compromised - in their denial of the Pentagon evidence and witness testimony
Dick, i think you know my research also points to an A-3 Skywarrior at the Pentagon. The A-3 was launched from a carrier just offshore, according to the Russians; it fired the cruise missile then smashed into the side of the Pentagon.
Best regards -- galen
On 9/16/2012 11:59 AM, oldickeastman@... wrote:
As much as I wish I had researchers following your leads, I am but one old man writing from his basement with really all contacts with researchers broken except occasional exchanges with Sault, Galen and Honegger. I'm the has been who never really was. I've made one youtube video and I have one presentation up on rense. All of my other presentations have been taken down - including the one on APFN which was hacked with pictures deleted and others -- showing nothing, substituted. The opposition neutralized me. My effort which you read was more or less a spasm of protest at what happened. No one can do anything without an audience, without a community. I know Schwartz's work - but I never saw the A-3 in any of the pictures he sent -- and I thought he was going beyond his data to insist on this specific plane and no other possibility -- when there is just as much reason to view the killer object as an F-16 rigged for remote control combat -- one was retired to the General Dynamics museum in March. Schwartz came up with the A-3 almost two years after my fit of the F-16 (which I said was just one possibility that fit the known facts -- as he should have done) -- but he never cooperated or communicated with me when he was developing his A-3 idea? Why not? I know that I wanted all the help and cooperation in investigating that I could get. Well, there you are -- no I am too burned out keep pushing 9-11 -- my old friends agree with me -- and that is all that I can achieve at this point. The same is true for weaponized weather modification and, I am most sorry to say, for my economic analysis. I'm just another grumpy old man brooding over why he is a failure at the great things he purposed as younger man.
SO there you are. Good luck in finding help for your investigations and in getting out the facts. You have a lot to offer -- but I don't want to go around again on the A-3 -- so I bid you a fond farewell.
All the best,
----- Original Message -----
From: Terral Croft mailto:terralcroft@...
To: DickEastman mailto:oldickeastman@...
Sent: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 11:04:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: David Ray Griffin and Richard Gage compromised - in their denial of the Pentagon evidence and witness testimony
Hi Dick:Thank you for contacting me with information about David Griffin and Richard Gage and their denial of Pentagon evidence, which I was well-aware of years ago being a general contractor and member of AE911Truth.org. I am writing to see if your researchers are making headway in assimilating the evidence, or if perhaps your researchers are on the same page as the people I have characterized as a 'running-in-place' fake 911Movement. I cannot tell you how many times I have received emails recognizing the truth of my Pentagon Three Attack Explanation (9:31:39, 9:36:27, 9:42 AM) to never be heard from again for one reason or another. Years have passed and nobody has presented evidence leading to the moving a a single event on my 9/11 100-Event Timeline placing the top 100 events in chronological order and my suspicion is that nobody ever will. I realize that my work points fingers at the House of Rothschild, Federal Reserve, Peter G. Peterson and many members of the 911Movement as accomplices in the ongoing lettered agency-led disinformation program, but these conclusions were drawn after direct interaction with these people over the course of years and I just call them like I see them like everybody else. You appear to have a good solid group of gifted researchers well-able to substantiate my claims by careful interpretation of all the evidence laid out on the table for everyone to examine. I can put together a witness list (like Terry Cohen, April Gallop, Alan Wallace, Lloyde England, etc.) to tell 'the' story of exactly what happened at the Pentagon, even if each witness is missing part of the puzzle (like Barbara Honegger) allowing them to see the larger picture; or I can go back to my Project Black Star Investigation that will see eventual genocide of the planet population, as brought out in the Dakota Report sent to me by Jim Marrs who also works with Barbara Honegger.This is the Dropbox Folder link to my research that I share with Terral's 2012 Newsletter Subscribers, but I want you to share this link with your people for free to help them connect the dots between Scripture, the Sumerian Text, 9/11 and Project Black Star.These are the two links to the Dakota Report that some of your people might not know even exists.This is the link to my Analysis Report of the Dakota Report sent back to Jim Marrs and his research groups that might have crossed the desk of one of your members. The front line of what is 'really' going on here, in the aftermath of 9/11, is coming from the Leo Constellation (under hind feet) moving towards Virgo 5.5 days for every 188 days; or just over 11 days each year according to my sources. The supposed-astronomer to discover the Eleinin Comet was Leonid ELEnin whose name is NinELE (911) backwards with a first name representing meteor showers in November. The perihelion date was 9/11/2011 from the very beginning with a backside alignment on 11/22/2011 the day Rothschild murdered JFK. The most important date on the Elenin orbit diagram was 9/26/2011 on the Sun/Elenin/Earth alignment date where the lettered agency psyop object crossed the celestial plane having a 0.00 declination. Then 9/26/2012 is also the next day on the 188-day cycle that includes such events as the Chile Quake on Feb. 27, 2010 and the Japan Quake (9.0) on March 11, 2011 where both events included Earth axis shifts. Then John Moore, Mike Harris, Kerry Cassidy, Dr. Bill Deagle and a host of others (TerraVivos.com) began sending out warnings about 8/17 and 9/26 this year that have been my currently developing timeline since last year. The point I am attempting to get across is that Dick Eastman and your researchers are standing right now on the threshold of seeing the big picture representing much more than ensuring 911Justice. You have the opportunity to see the connections between a variety of topics representing the same thing like chemtrailing, Rothschild/Rockefeller/Gates Eugenics, the Super Soldier Program, HAARP as the Artificial Intelligence Mainframe/Interface for nanotechnology component manipulation inside human hosts, the 1400-Hour Multi-Frequency Resonation Anomaly Carrier Wave Beta Testing Program, nanobot filament replication inhibitor countermeasures and, well, the rabbit hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper as to what is 'really' going on here.The fascists that planned and carried out 911 are busy implementing their underground ark city contingency plans amid the ongoing counterintelligence disinformation program maintaining the smokescreen cover in preparation for the coming global economic implosion being synchronized like WTC-7 along side the Twin Towers during the 9/11 Inside Job. What is really going on all around us and inside of us is much stranger than fiction by design, so that even your gifted researchers are led to believe that I am either misinformed or completely insane; when in fact my developing investigation today is just as real as the three attacks on the Pentagon that the average bear and park ranger cannot even begin to comprehend. Genocide of this planet is coming through what has been characterized as Project Black Star with symptoms including rhythmic Earth axis shifts, parabolic move in 6-8 magnitude quake events since 2008, dynamic magnetic pole migration, ocean conveyor disruption, mass animal deaths due to cellular magnetite migration misdirection, super storms, rogue tides, sinking islands, anomalous sink hole formation, and a host of other symptoms like a 2012 Deep Impact Movie in slow motion. Your people can assist in connecting all the dots for conveying this vital information to the American people and world population in time to effect a change, or not.Please write whenever I and my research groups can be of service.Take care,Terral
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Subject: Fw: David Ray Griffin and Richard Gage compromised - in their denial of the Pentagon evidence and witness testimony
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:59:52 -0700David Griffin &
Gage back Howard Cohen's documentary depicting with actors and script a
'Jewless' 9-11 Conspiracy documentary (saying Bush & Cheney cooked it up
themselves)Howard Cohen has paid for the movie rights to
have attached the script for your review.
Please write or call me so we can
discuss a role for you (in front or behind the camera) in what will become the
9/11 Truth Movement's "Weapon of Mass Instruction" - based on the books of David
Ray Griffin and supported by research and evidence provided by the leading 9/11
truth advocates and truth groups - including the nano-thermite team.
386-316-0842 (24/7) -- ENDSHoward Cohen also writes:...you’ve heard the expression. It means that when the
reigning monarch of a country dies a new one is immediately named to replace
him/her in power.
Such was the case with our feature film, “A Violation
Shortly after the January “Architects and Engineers for 9/11
Truth” newsletter featured a story about our proposed film I was contacted by
what I can only call a “Hollywood bottom-feeder” who informed me that he had
gotten hold of a copy of our script and “copyrighted our script” without our
knowledge and definitely without our permission.
He was trying to use
that copyright registration to extort money from us. Several attorneys informed
me that while this is both illegal and unethical, it’s not the first time this
has happened in Hollywood.
Faced with lengthy and expensive legal
procedures to reverse this illegal copyright, we were advised to close down
production of the film based upon the illegally copyrighted script. That’s what
.....and then immediately turned this negative into a
positive - by having an entirely new script written that presents an even more
provocative and captivating film opportunity. A new script for a completely new
feature film that touches the human side of this tragedy - making it an even
“greater value” to the public – exposing not only the lies about the official
account of that day, but the consequences of those lies (such as the false
pretenses for the illegal invasion of Afghanistan) – which brings the movie into
the current political, social and economic climate we are all suffering through
as a result of whatever really happened on 9/11.
Charges of War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity (re: the Bush
administration) addressed in our new film:
1. Waging a war of
aggression against Afghanistan and the Afghan people (President Bush said it was
in self-defense – but our script proves it wasn’t);
2. War Crimes
committed against the people of Afghanistan by the use of weapons of mass
destruction that make no distinction between civilians and the enemy. That cause
unnecessary injuries and suffering (fuel-air bombs, cluster bombs and munitions
containing radioactive depleted uranium – all illegal under international
3. Crimes against Humanity in respect of the
depleted uranium weapons used on the people of Afghanistan to exterminate the
population and for the crime of "Omnicide" the extermination of life,
contamination of air, water and food resources and the irreversible alteration
of the genetic code of all living organisms including plant life as a direct
consequence of the use of radioactive munitions in Afghanistan affecting
countries in the entire region;
4. Crimes against Humanity for
exposing soldiers and other personnel of the United States and other soldiers of
coalition forces to radioactive contamination by the use of DU weapons,
hazarding their lives, their physiology, and that of their future progeny by
irreversible alteration of the genetic code.
PLEASE CLICK and GO TO:
Scroll down about a third of the
way on the home page. Look for “Trickery and Treachery” (our new film's title).
ExecDirector@...----- Original Message -----From:Dick EastmanSent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:17 PMSubject: David Ray Griffin and Richard Gage compromised - in their
denial of the Pentagon evidence and witness testimonyIn Yakima it's still eleven years after
9-11 -- and so I will put out one more post on that
topic.I have found a few people who share my view
of the Pentagon attack -- I quote them below discussing Richard Gage and
David Ray Griffin.But first you will read Richard Gage's
rejection of the "Citizen's Investigation Team" investigation which found
witnesses confirming the flyover thesis I reached years before the CIT took up
the question. Richard Gage has been sent my analysis of the situation even
before the CIT people joined the discussion. He has been sent enough
information to know that the criticisms of Jim Hoffman, Victoria Ashely, Legge,
Gregg Roberts, Chandler and Hill do not apply to my work. Richard Gage has
written to me stating that he refuses to get involved with questions of who
might be responsible for 9-11. Now he has let himself be surrounded by
people who have persuaded him to drop the best evidence. He of course is
the great leader of the movement. I am a nobody who writes every day,
giving away my articles, and gets no response -- I who have been
rejected precisely because I do lead and I am not afraid to state my conclusions
come what may.So I find people who agree with me.
You can read them below. But ironically, not one has heard of me. At
any rate, I wish them well, because I at least, know that they are
right.Dick EastmanYakima, Washington"The 9/11 Truth movement will be more likely to succeed in its effort to
educate the public about the Pentagon by focusing on those areas of greatest
agreement. " -- Richard GageThe "Truth Movement" has rotten
leaders.Jim Fetzer, Kevin Barret, David Ray Griffin
and Richard Gage
Richard Gage Completely Withdraws Support from CIT
by Richard Gage
In early 2009, I watched the “National Security Alert” video by the
Citizen Investigation Team (CIT) where recollections of 10 eyewitness accounts
of the attack on the Pentagon were presented (of many more that were
interviewed). These accounts included the witnesses’ recollection of the path
being taken by the plane prior to impact. The path that many of them recalled
was to the north of the former CITGO gas station. Based on these few accounts
CIT presented its case that the plane flew over the Pentagon since the damage
trail was not consistent with the north path.
My main focus relative to 9/11 had been on the destruction of the
three World Trade Center skyscrapers. I had not been able to spend much time on
the Pentagon issue. I was initially impressed by CIT’s presentation and, more
than a year and a half ago, provided a short statement of support for their
After making my statement I became aware of more details of the CIT
witness accounts as well as the rest of the compelling eyewitness testimony that
is available. The vast majority of eyewitness accounts refute the CIT flyover
conclusion, as they entail that the plane hit the Pentagon or was flying so low
it could not miss.
I was also surprised to learn that 12 of the witnesses that CIT
interviewed (including six witnesses to whom CIT refers to as north path
witnesses) were in a position to see the Pentagon and all 12 stated that they
saw the plane hit the Pentagon. It was clear from this that CIT used improper
investigative methods. CIT used and presented only those portions of their
witness reports which fit their conclusion. The preponderance of CIT’s own
evidence in fact supports the conclusion that the plane impacted the Pentagon.
(See Summary and Analysis of “National Security Alert” and other works listed
below for these and many additional witness statements that describe the plane
as clearly impacting the Pentagon).
Because of these concerns I provided new statements in December 2009
and January 2010 pointing out that my previous statement of support should not
be interpreted as an endorsement of their conclusion that the airplane flew over
the Pentagon. Despite these statements, CIT has continued to publish my original
statement and characterize it as an endorsement of their flyover conclusion. I
am hereby now on the record clearly as NOT supporting the CIT investigation at
all. In addition, I insist that CIT delete my name from its web site in any and
every context in which it might give the impression of support or endorsement of
their efforts from me.
I base my present position also on a number of blogs, papers, blogs,
and videos that have shed light on the Pentagon Flight 77 issues and on CIT’s
work. These papers should be among those studied by anyone seeking the full
truth about these matters. Most of these works analyze additional evidence and
come to different conclusions than CIT does.
Relevant critiques of CIT and their National Security Alert
Summary and Analysis of
“National Security Alert”, Chris Sarns, Feb 5,
Pentagon Witnesses: They Saw the Plane Hit the Pentagon,
Video by Jeff Hill, June 14, 2010
of Insider Complicity, David Chandler and Jon Cole, Dec
What Hit the Pentagon by Exaggeration, Name-calling, and
Threats, Gregg Roberts, Jan 2011
And critiques that examine CIT’s earlier work “Pentacon” are helpful
Earth Exposes Pentagon Flyover Farce or Critiquing
PentaCon, by Jim Hoffman, July 2009
a Movement: Exposing CIT’s PentaCon ‘Magic Show’, Victoria
Ashley, July 2009
Relevant peer-reviewed papers (posted on Journalof911Studies.com):
AA77 on 9/11: New FDR Analysis Supports the Official Flight Path Leading to
Impact with the Pentagon, Frank Legge, (B.Sc.(Hons.),
Ph.D.) and Warren Stutt, (B.Sc.(Hons.) Comp. Sci.) January 2011
hit the Pentagon? Misinformation and its Effect on the Credibility of 9/11
Truth, Frank Legge, (B.Sc.(Hons.), Ph.D.), July 2009
(updated Feb 2010)
There was a time in the four years after 9/11 when I simply assumed
that the official story of the destruction of the WTC Twin Towers on 9/11 was
true. One could say that I “endorsed” the official story based on what I knew at
the time, but as I learned more, my opinion of what happened to those buildings
evolved radically. John Maynard Keynes, father of Keynesian Economics, once
said: “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?” A similar
evolution has occurred in relation to my view of CIT’s work.
I strongly recommend that people who care to research what happened
at the Pentagon take personal responsibility for forming their own conclusions
by acquainting themselves with a wide range of analysis done by people who have
come before them rather than jumping to conclusions based on a skewed selection
of evidence and argument, or being unduly influenced by any type of authority
figure. Use your own discernment, based on your use of the scientific method to
arrive at a coherent theory that you can confidently stand behind.
One of the authors cited above, Frank Legge, PhD., admonishes us to
adopt a “prudent approach” to the Pentagon piece of the 9/11 puzzle. In the end
he wisely advocates the “precautionary principle” which is to “assert only what
we can truly know,” given the contradictory evidence, misinformation,
disinformation, and lack of information from official sources, and the
difficulty in verifying much of it, years after the fact and with inadequate
Legge concludes that there is prima facie evidence that “the official
explanation of the event at the Pentagon is false and that a cover-up exists. He
concludes as well this negative hypothesis: that there is “no proof that a 757
did not hit the Pentagon.” And, since officials are holding the cards (videos)
as to what did or didn’t hit the Pentagon, Dr. Legge’s recommendation is that
investigators “take care to avoid publicly asserting that the 757 did not hit
We can all agree that no hijacked plane should have been able to
violate the airspace of our nation’s capital and hit the headquarters of the
most sophisticated defense system in the world – an hour and a half after the
assault began on the Twin Towers.
The 9/11 Truth movement will be more likely to succeed in its effort
to educate the public about the Pentagon by focusing on those areas of greatest
Richard Gage, AIAWhenever their is a leader, Mossad will
work on them with a team of psychologists and other experts to bring them under
control, to neutralize or discredit them. This happened with Richard Gage
and David Ray Griffin. I recently got a letter from Howard Cohen asking
that I not write to Griffin and Gage --> Please remove my name and the names of David Griffin and> Richard Gage from these emails you are sending around. I have> removed them from this one already but would appreciate> your removing them for the future.Cohen indicated that he was acting on
their behalf. And sure enough I now hear that Gage, who knows very little
about the Pentagon evidence, suddenly declares that Flight 77 did indeed crash
there. Gage and Griffin have formed a new organization that includes Jim
Hoffman, Kevin Ryan, Victoria Ashley etc long-time critics of my Pentagon
findings -- criticisms which they never presented to me. They are
working with Howard Cohen on a new movie that will omit the Pentagon evidence.
I recall that they are consultants for this movie. (Are they being
paid by Cohen?)Griffin wants nothing to do with me.
But he is having his photo taken in a buddy embrace with Jim Fetzer. That
was when he lost my last shred of confidence in DRG.The Pentagon evidence immediately
implicates the Pentagon Jews in the 9-11 false-flag attack. The WTC does
not. (Of course if no Boeing hit the Pentagon they Pentagon leadership
would have to know about it -- they would have to be accomplices in the
big lie from the very first -- and that is what I have established and
that is why there is such a big effort to get control of anyone resembling a
leader among 9-11 investigators.This is all I say on the subject. But
read what others say:
DRG remains naive or intentionally blind about the fact that
professional disinformationists such as Legge and Bursill are in our midst.
Trying to reach out to them as DRG is doing tends to lend them credibility as
legitimate truthers which they most certainly are NOT. DRG essentially gives
them a platform to continue their disinformation operation. Personally I am
disgusted by that. I am also disgusted with DRG and Richard Gage for essentially
stone walling all of us who have reached out to them on this issue. My stance at
this point is that if neither man can address these serious and legitimate
concerns we have raised then I will not support them or their work financially
I agree about how bad these decisions by Griffin and Gage have been.
I think we need to be a bit careful about how we criticize them so that we don’t
play right into the disinfo people’s hands. They’d love it if Griffin and Gage
were totally neutralized as forces in the movement. With Richard, there’s not a
lot we can do because he left himself little room to repair what he’s done. I’d
love him to withdraw his withdrawal of support, but he’s unlikely to do that.
But Griffin still opposes their Pentagon position, and that’s
crucial. This is the jewel these assholes are going after, and that’s why I
choose (when talking about the Pentagon, at least) to focus on how he has not
caved in to pressure on the impact question.
David needs to know that while some of us don’t agree with his
compromises, we still support him on his key Pentagon position. He has to know –
and I’m sure he does – that reversing himself on this question would be
devastating to the movement and to his credibility. It would also cost him most
of his current support. He won’t do it.
We’re disappointed in some of what’s happened, and with good reason.
And we should be free to say so. But ultimately, let’s not let the agents have
the free ride they’re after. Gage’s and Griffin’s accommodations of the
anti-Pentagon gang have been especially harmful because that group has
credibility they don’t deserve. Let’s put their record under the spotlight. Once
people see how hollow and dishonest their “arguments” are, then the
accommodations won’t mean as much.
We’ve been on the defensive too long. It’s time to turn the
Sunstein infiltrators would LOVE to see both RG and DRG neutralized as forces
within the movement. I think it is a little bit too harsh, particularly on
Griffin, to publicly declare that you currently do not support them at all. My
sentiments mirror Craig’s; Richard Gage did far more damage. His statement was a
full blown endorsement of the official story, and he used his “leadership”
position to tell the global audience known as the truth movement, in essence:
“You needn’t watch National Security Alert; others have watched it for you and
have debunked it, and it’s a deceptive film and should be condemned. Vic
Ashley’s excellent website and Frank Legge’s scholarly paper prove the plane did
Griffin’s compromises, as disappointing as they are, have not done the same
degree of damage to this issue that Richard did. But yes, Craig, that quote you
posted of page 265 of Debunking 9/11 Debunking is the David Ray Griffin I
know and love!
Griffin exemplifies the lofty academician who spends more time in the office
than out amongst the “streets,” whether in real life or on facebook. It is clear
every time someone on facebook takes a poll on whether a 757 hit the Pentagon,
that virtually everybody rejects this official claim.
I consider 9/11 truth on facebook to be the online equivalent of a large
number of truthers gathered in, say, Central Park or Times Square. Griffin does
not get into these kinds of crowds very much, either online or in real life. He
stays in the professors’ faculty dining room, having coffee with other
“academic” types. Because of this disconnect from the “popular pulse” of the
movement, so to speak, it was easy for ivory tower figures like Ryan, Chandler,
and Legge, and Elizabeth Woodworth to convince him that the “split” in the
movement over the Pentagon was (1) genuine [i.e. 50% of the movement believing
in no-impact while the other 50% believe in impact] (2) profound and (3)
destroying the movement from within. So he came up with this “consensus
approach” to try and repair bridges and mend fences. Unfortunately, as well
intentioned as it might have been, it only served to play into the hands of
those who would like to see some of our strongest evidence swept under the
I wonder if Griffin, since the 10th anniversary and particularly the fallout
within the consensus panel, has done some sober reflecting on his decision to
take the compromised position in order to accommodate the propaganda team.
Craig and Adam Syed,
I understand that you both feel I am being to harsh especially with DRG. I
disagree primarily because of the stone walling they both do which you didn’t
address. I agree DRG did not do as much damage as Gage but he does stone wall
all of us and I find that to be not only unacceptable but also a strong warning
sign that something is seriously wrong.
After over 10 years in the truth movement I have seen it all, argued about it
all, and fought for it all. I have to be honest with myself and admit that what
I have been doing and what we have been doing isn’t working. It isn’t getting
results. I know that if we continue along the same path we will get the same
results, namely none.
I do not consider DRG or RG to be leaders because they have simply not
demonstrated leadership. They are doing the same thing they have always done
which is talking about the evidence but they are NOT taking any bold action. For
example they are not confronting the pentagon issue head on and taking a god
damn stand. Real leaders take real stands in spite of peer presure.
The evidence DRG and RG talk about and present is solid and I have not
changed my opinion about it nor am I rejecting that evidence. I am simply
rejecting the concept of the two men as leaders to be respected above others. I
don’t respect stone wallers or people who sling mud and then refuse to debate
it. Both types of people I consider to be cowards. REAL leaders and REAL
truthers do not hide from opponents or critics, they confront them head on with
better arguments and if they cannot they admit they may be wrong. CIT did that
when they responded to David Chandler’s piece of crap paper on the pentagon.
Chandler did not act like a truther or a leader in response, he ran away! Now
DRG and RG both work directly with this clown who has been debunked CONCLUSIVELY
and comprehensively. Yet there is Chandler on DRG’s panel and DRG has done
nothing but brush the issue under the rug. NOT ACCEPTABLE!!! No true leader
would do that. RG uses Chandler’s bullshit hit piece as a reference for his
withdrawel of support for Christ sake. How can I consider him to be any kind of
leader or example when he does that? I can’t.
The truth movement in my opinion is dying the same death as the USA is. Well
intentioned people are speaking out about 9/11, that is true, but when push
comes to shove no REAL resistance to these wrongs is being offered. Take the
Occupy wall street protests for example, when the police moved in on the LA
group they were simply not prepared to stand their ground. A few individuals did
stand their ground but the vast majority turned tail and fled. They obviously
had the idea in their heads that if they held up signs and camped out on the
lawn for long enough that they would effect change. WRONG! The only way for them
or us for that matter to actually cause change is to put our asses on the line
and face billy clubbing, arrest, intimidation, and harrassment AND NOT GIVE UP.
Had OWS stood their gro
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