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    See also: http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/knudson/judnot09.htm#dyett (27
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      See also:

      http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/knudson/judnot09.htm#dyett  (27 < 28)
      http://www.supremelaw.org/ref/14amrec/
      http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/nordbrok/note14am.htm  (cf. Full Faith and Credit Clause)
      http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/lyon/tdocws.htm  (but, USA is not a corporation)
      http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/mitchell/before.and.after.htm
      http://www.supremelaw.org/rsrc/twoclass.htm  (see all links at the end also)
      http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/mitchell/citizenship.for.dummies.htm
      http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/mitchell/comments.on.citizenship.for.dummies.htm
      http://www.supremelaw.org/press/rels/correct.amendment.htm
      http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/aol/supreme.complaint.htm  (they had 10 YEARS to fix this problem!)
      http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/htm/append-p.htm  (December 29, 1993 A.D.)

      http://www.supremelaw.org/press/rels/cracking.title.28.htm
      http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/aol/cert.htm#drama
      http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/mitchell/court.conspiracy.exposed.htm

       

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      /s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
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      From: Phil Holtz <philholtz54@...>
      To: paul andrew mitchell <paulandrewmitchell2004@...>
      Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 8:07:35 AM
      Subject: Fw: [freedomfightersforamerica] Fwd: GCongress> [TheUnrepentantPatriots] Cryer, Chairman to hang Gurus, //MSM...

      Initial presentation gets better. Worthy of comment? or wasted time? Please?
       
       
      Re: GCongress> [TheUnrepentantPatriots] Cryer, Chairman to hang Gurus, //MSMITH
       
      FROM MICHAEL SMITH in response to Tami's statement or question (see on way to bottom in yellow):
       
      Please folks, read Sins of the State........please DO take the time to read it.
      There are NO valid courts in the US.....they all operate on 14th Amendment Slaves who are DEBTORS under the unlawfully and militarily imposed 14th Amendment  that makes you subject to congress OUTSIDE any "so-called "CON"-stituion" or Bill of Rights and it is STILL GOING ON TODAY, over 150 years later.....man this is getting ridiculous....isn't it?  How can you think of doing ANYTHING but working to get rid of this....and it will take ALL OF US working together....no one person can do it.
       
      I have ATTACHED SOS
       
      Please!  And what is it going to take to get everyone out in the streets? While we are sitting here churning like stockbrokers, the banking cartel has stolen your country, your courts, your kids, your money, your life?  This is insanity!  And the worst is yet to come!   Please just take a minute and read this R E A L  S L O W, ok?

      Who Is Running America?

      The Bankruptcy of America, the Corporate United States,
      and the New World Order

      THIS IS WHAT THE BAR ASSOCIATION  HAS DONE TO AMERICA without anyone's consent, with nary a notice and never getting your vote and we are wasting time jawboning about jurisdiction in courts?

      100 YEARS OF UNIFORM LAWS
      An Abridged Chronology

      1890 - New York state legislature passes first state act authorizing governor to appoint three commissioners. The American Bar Association (ABA)recommends that other states follow New York's lead.

      1891 - Connecticut's Lyman D. Brewster named to chair newly-created ABA committee on uniform law. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Massachusetts, New Jersey and Delaware appoint commissioners.

      1892 - First conference held in Saratoga Springs New York. Above states plus Georgia attend formal meeting.

      1893 - Committees appointed on such subjects as wills, marriage and divorce, commercial law, descent and distribution.

      1895 - Conference requests committee on commercial law be formed. Drafts, Negotiable Instrument Law, precursor to Article 3 of Uniform Commercial Code.

      1896 - Negotiable Instrument Law approved by Conference. First time that a uniform act is adopted in every state and the District of Columbia.

      1897 - For the first time, Commissioners urged to work toward enactment of uniform legislation in their states.

      1898/1899 - Sessions devoted to the consideration of proposed divorce legislation.

      1899 - At the end of the 1890s, 33 of the existing 45 states and two territories had appointed uniform law commissioners and eight uniform acts had been drafted, each enacted in at least one state. All these acts were subsequently superseded or declared obsolete.

      1900 - Uniform Divorce Procedure Act adopted. Louis B. Brandeis begins five years of service as member of Massachusetts commission.

      1901 - Woodrow Wilson begins tenure (until 1908) as commissioner from New Jersey.

      1903 - ABA makes first appropriation in support of work of Conference. James Barr Ames of Harvard Law School commissioned to draft the Uniform Partnership Act.

      1905 - Samuel W. Pennypacker, Pennsylvania Governor, invites other governors to send delegation to a national divorce conference--meets twice in 1906; three acts endorsed.

      1906 - First roll call by states as Uniform Warehouse Receipts Act is approved. Legal scholar Roscoe Pound serves for one year as a commissioner from Nebraska.

      1907 - Uniform Desertion Act and Non-Support Act and Uniform Marriage Act authorized. Act Regulating Annulment of Marriage of Divorce adopted. Also, Act Providing for the Return of Marriage Statistics, Act Providing for the Return of Divorce Statistics.

      1908 - Work begins on Uniform Corporation Act.

      1910 - Twenty uniform acts approved in decade of the teens. The Uniform Partnership Act, begun in 1906, was completed by William Draper Lewis, Dean of the University of Pennsylvania Law School.

      1911 - Uniform Marriage and Marriage License Act and Uniform Child Labor Act approved.

      1912 - Uniform Marriage Evasion Act adopted. Woodrow Wilson, commissioner from New Jersey from 1901 to 1908 elected U.S. President in a landslide.

      1914 - Uniform Partnership Act completed. Will be adopted by all the states. Also Foreign Acknowledgement Act, Cold Storage Act, Workmens's Compensation Act.

      1915 - Name changed to National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws. Constitution and by-laws completely revised. Each act now must be considered section by section during at least two annual meetings.

      1916 - Uniform Limited Partnership Act as well as Extradition of Persons of Unsound Minds Act approved, also Land Registration Act.

      1917 - Uniform Flag Act approved.

      1918 - Uniform Fraudulent Conveyance Act approved.

      1920 - Certain Acts withdrawn; others declared obsolete. After pruning, 26 acts remain as recommended for passage in state legislatures.

      1930 - During the 30s, Conference adopts 31 acts.

      1935 - Conference entered into agreement with American Law Institute for cooperative drafting of acts in area of common interest.

      1936 - After revisions, withdrawals and acts declared obsolete, 53 uniform acts remained as recommended for approval.

      On April 25, 1938, the Supreme Court overturned the standing precedents of the prior 150 years concerning "COMMON LAW" in the federal government.

      "THERE IS NO FEDERAL COMMON LAW, AND CONGRESS HAS NO POWER TO DECLARE SUBSTANTIVE RULES OF COMMON LAW applicable IN A STATE, WHETHER they be LOCAL or GENERAL in their nature, be they COMMERCIAL LAW or a part of LAW OF TORTS." (See: ERIE RAILROAD CO. vs. THOMPKINS, 304 U.S. 64, 82 L. Ed. 1188)

      The Common Law is the fountain source of Substantive and Remedial Rights, if not our very Liberties. The members and associates of the Bar thereafter formed committees, granted themselves special privileges, immunities and franchises, and held meetings concerning the Judicial procedures, and further, to amend laws "to conform to a trend of judicial decisions or to accomplish similar objectives", including hodgepodging the jurisdictions of Law and Equity together, which is known today as "One Form of Action." [See: Constitution and By Laws, Article 3, Section 3.3(c), 1990-91 Reference Book, see also Colorado Methods of Practice, West Publishing, Vol. 4, pages 2-3, Authors Comments.]

      1939 - ABA gets more involved in approval of uniform law products. Thirty-nine acts are presented to the Board of Governors of the ABA for consideration and approval. During the same year, all acts on aeronautics and motor vehicles are eliminated as well as the Land Registration Act, Child Labor Act of 1930, Uniform Divorce Jurisdiction Act, Firearms Act, Marriage Act and more. Six acts are reclassified as Model acts.

      1940 - At start of decade, after deletions, etc., 53 acts out of 93 which had been approved since the group's founding remain on the books. Drafting committee for the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) approved.

      1941 - Speaking of the Commercial Code project, the Conference president states: "....this is the most important and the most far reaching project on which the conference has ever embarked." It would take the major part of the next 10 tear period to complete.

      1942 - UCC effort begins in earnest with completion of work on the revised Uniform Sales Act.

      1943 - Members of the conference participate in drafting committee in Washington, D.C. to work on legislation which the government might desire in connection with the war effort. No new acts.

      1944 - Conference receives $150,000 grant from the Falk Foundation of Pittsburgh to support work on the UCC.

      1945 - No annual meeting for the first time due to difficulties of civilian transport during the war.

      1946 - Falk Foundation increases its support of the UCC with an additional $100,000.

      1947 - Uniform Law Conference (ULC) and American Law Institute join in partnership to put all the components together for the UCC. Uniform Divorce Recognition Act approved.

      1950 - Approval of the Uniform Marriage License Application Act, Uniform Adoption Act and the Uniform Reciprocal Enforcement of Support Act (URESA). The latter has been one of the most successful ULC products.

      1951 - On May 18, during a joint meeting with the American Law Institute in Washington, D.C., the UCC was approved. Later that year the ABA formally approved the code as well. Considered the outstanding accomplishment of the Conference, the Code remains the ULC's signature product.

      One of the Uniform Laws drafted by the National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws and the American Law Institute governing commercial transactions (including sales and leasing of goods, transfer of funds, commercial paper, bank deposits and collections, letters of credit, bulk transfers, warehouse receipts, bills of lading, investment securities, and secured transactions), The Uniform Commercial Code (UCC), has been adopted in whole or substantially by all states. (See: Blacks Law, 6th Ed. pg. 1531) In essence, all court decisions are based on commercial law or business law and has criminal penalties associated with it. Rather than openly calling this new law Admiralty/Maritime Jurisdiction, it is called Statutory Jurisdiction.

      America as a bankrupt nation is owned completely by its creditors.

      The creditors own the Congress, they own the Executive, they own the Judiciary and they own all the State governments. Do you have a Birth Certificate? They own you too.

      1952 - Uniform Rules of Criminal Procedure approved---first venture of the Conference into this area of the law.

      1953 - Pennsylvania the first state to enact the UCC. Uniform Rules of Evidence adopted.

      1954 - Disposition of Unclaimed Property Act approved.

      1956 - Gift to Minors Act approved. Will be adopted in every state. For the first time, ULC enters the field of international law.

      1957 - Massachusetts becomes second state to enact the UCC, after revisions by the Editorial Board.

      1958 - Uniform Securities Act approved.

      1960 - Uniform Paternity Act passed. by 1960, UCC enacted in Kentucky, Connecticut, New Hampshire and Rhode Island.

      1961 - Permanent Editorial Board on the UCC formed---8 more states pass UCC. Constitution amended to provide that all members of Conference must be members of the bar.

      1962 - Four more states adopt UCC, including New York. Probate Code project approved.

      1963 - Third comprehensive law project approved, on retail installment sales, consumer credit, small loans and usury. Eleven more UCC states. William H. Renquist begins term as commissioner from Arizona; serves until 1968.

      1964 - Special Committee of Uniform Divorce and Marriage laws recommends that a study of divorce law be authorized and that funds be sought. One more UCC state.

      1965 - Divorce and Marriage Law committee instructed to commence drafting if funds can be obtained for the project. Thirteen more UCC states.

      1966 - Five more UCC states.

      1968 - Much of annual meeting devoted to the Uniform Consumer Credit Code and the Uniform Probate Code ---two projects nearing completion. By 1968, 49 states, the District of Columbia and U.S. Virgin Islands have enacted the UCC---only exception being Louisiana. A big year. Other developments in 1968: the Consumer Credit Code is approved as well as revisions to the Anatomical Gift Act, Child Custody Jurisdiction Act and revisions to URESA.

      1969 - Probate Code approved. Preliminary analysis of the uniform marriage and divorce legislation distributed.

      1970 - Controlled Substances Act and Uniform Marriage and Divorce Act approved.

      1971 - Uniform Alcoholism and Intoxication Act approved.

      1972 - Uniform Residential Landlord and Tenant Act, Disposition of Community Property Rights At Death Act and UMVARA, the Uniform Motor Vehicle Accident Reparations Act approved.

      1973 - Uniform Parentage Act supersedes Paternity Act. Uniform Crime Victims Reparations Act approved.

      1974 - Conference approves Rules of Criminal Procedure and Eminent Domain Code. Louisiana, the only state not to adopt the Uniform Commercial Code due to difficulties in reconciling its provisions with those of the Civil Code, adopts Articles 1,3,4,5,7, and 8.

      1975 - Uniform Land Transactions Act approved.

      1976 - Major revision of the Uniform Partnership Act approved; also Uniform Simplification of Land Transfers and Uniform Class Action Acts.

      1978 - Uniform Brain Death and Uniform Federal Lien Registration Act approved.

      1979 - Uniform Trade Secrets and Durable Power of Attorney acts among those approved.

      1980 - Determination of Death Act supersedes 1978 Brain Death Act. Uniform Planned Community Act, Model Real Estate Time-Share Act and Model Periodic Payment of Judgments Act also adopted.

      1981 - Two important updated acts approved: new Model State Administration Procedure and Unclaimed Property Acts. Also two new acts: the Model Real Estate Cooperative Act and the Uniform Conservation Easement Act.

      1982 - Uniform Condominium and Planned Community Acts and Model Real Estate Cooperative Act combined into the Uniform Common Interest Ownership act.

      The enumerated, specified, and distinct Jurisdictions established by the ordained Constitution (1789), Article III, Section 2, and under the Bill of Rights (1791), Amendment VII, were further hodgepodged and fundamentally changed in 1982 to include Admiralty Jurisdiction, which was once again brought inland. This was the FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE necessary to effect unification of CIVIL and ADMIRALTY PROCEDURE. Just as 1938 Rules ABOLISHED THE DISTINCTION between Actions At Law and Suits in Equity, this CHANGE WOULD ABOLISH THE DISTINCTION between CIVIL ACTIONS and SUITS IN ADMIRALTY." (See: Federal Rules of Procedure, 1982 Ed., pg. 17. Also see Federalist Papers, No. 83, Declaration Of Resolves Of The First Continental Congress, Oct. 14th, 1774, Declaration Of Cause And Necessity Of Taking Up Arms, July 16, 1775, Declaration Of Independence, July 4, 1776, Bennet vs. Butterworth, 52 U.S. 669)

      1983 - Uniform Marital Property Act and Uniform Premarital agreement Act approved. Uniform Transfers to Minors Act replaces the uniformly enacted Uniform Gifts to Minors Act.

      1984 - Uniform Statutory Will Act approved; new Uniform fraudulent Transfer Act supersedes Fraudulent Conveyance Act of 1918.

      1985 - Uniform Health-Care Information Act, Uniform Land Security Interest act, Uniform Personal Property Leasing Act and Uniform Rights of the Terminally Ill Act approved.

      1986 - New drafting effort to revise Articles 3 and 4 of the UCC and draft new provisions begins.

      1987 - Approval of the revised Uniform Anatomical Gift Act approved as well as new Uniform Custodial Trust Act, Uniform Construction Lien Act and Uniform Franchise and Business Opportunities Act. Also revision of Rules of Criminal Procedure.

      1988 - Final approval of amendments to the Uniform Securities Act and amendments to Article 6 of the UCC dealing with bulk sales. Conference also approves Uniform Statutory Form Power of Attorney Act and Uniform Punitive and Unknown Fathers Act and takes on the controversial issue of surrogate mother contracts with Uniform Status of Children of Assisted Conception Act.

      1989 - Article 4A of the UCC, dealing with electronic funds transfers, approved. Also approved: amendments to the Rights of the Terminally Ill Act, authorizing withdrawal of life support by a surrogate decision maker; the Uniform Pretrial Detention Act, confining violent criminals before trial; the Uniform Non-probate Transfers on Death Act and amendments to Article VI of the Uniform Probate Code.

      1990 - Major revision of 1970 Uniform Controlled Substances Act-- the law in 46 jurisdictions-- approved. Substantial revision of UCC Article 3 also approved, as well as an updated Article II of the Uniform Probate Code, to keep pace with current thinking on marital property.

      This private corruption of the law has occurred despite the Constitutional responsibility conferred on Congress by Article I, Section 8 of the Federal Constitution which states that it is Congress that "makes all Laws."

      What does that have to do with anything? Uniform Laws seem to be a good Idea.

      Well now, that is a good question. Let us continue.....

      An Expose On The Legal Fraud Perpetrated On All Americans

      THE COURTS RECOGNIZE ONLY TWO CLASSES OF PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES TODAY: DEBTORS AND CREDITORS

      The concept of DEBTORS and CREDITORS is very important to understand.

      Every legal action where you are brought before the court: e.g. traffic ticket, property dispute or permits, income tax, credit cards, bank loans or anything else government might dream up to charge you where you find yourself in front of a court. It is an equity court, administrating commercial law having a debtor-creditor law as the controlling law. Today, we have an equity court but not an equity court as defined by the Constitution of the United States or any other legal documents before 1938.

      All the courts of this once great land have been changed starting with the Supreme Court decision of 1938 in ERIE V. THOMPKINS. I'll give you background which led to this decision. There is a terrible FRAUD being perpetrated on all Americans. Please understand that this fraud is a 24 hour, 7 days a week, year after year continuous fraud. This fraud is constantly upon you all your life. It doesn't just happen once in a while. This fraud is perpetually and incessantly upon you and your family.

       
       
       
      In a message dated 1/28/2011 12:24:28 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, tamikay23@... writes:
      ask your court

      "Does this court take Judicial NOTICE of this state, and the U.S. Constitution?"

      exactly as written, and see what happens....


      From: billmay@...
      To: tamikay23@...; generalcongress@...; cryerlaw@...; audiolaw@...
      Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:36:33 -0800
      Subject: Re: GCongress> [TheUnrepentantPatriots] Cryer, Chairman to hang Gurus,

      In regard to a particular court having jurisdiction over a person - the state or fed constitution determines it.
       
      As an example:
       
      Muni courts are only admin courts. No city can show you in any state constitution the authority to drag a white state born person into one. In fact, they cannot she the power to drag anyone into one.
       
      To do that they would have to explain that US Citizens have almost no rights secured by any constitution and can be drug into any hearing they are ordered to attend and accept its punishment without question.
       
      Still, to do so, the court has to make this statement and prove the person is a US Citizen. They cannot do that with white people born in a state.
       
       
       
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:30 PM
      Subject: RE: GCongress> [TheUnrepentantPatriots] Cryer, Chairman to hang Gurus,


       How can a higher court, determine the jurisdiction of a lower court?...if a judge is determining anything, they are not a judge...they are Practicing law, as an attorney...a lower court, must garner Jurisdiction via Parens Patraie, and without it someone is lending them a hand, most likely Pharisea helping out Pharisea under laws of equity, whereupon you have a proxy interpleading at some point in the case, redistributing swiftly.

      Someone is Granting these Feudal lords, jurisdiction over an Individual with such as writ of Mandamus or Habeus Actions, rather than the court determining Jurisdiction, or Jurisdictional Value...I would love to see some of these orders being handed down by such Pharisea

      From: billmay@...
      To: AudioLaw@...; becraft@...
      CC: cryerlaw@...; firstrose@...; generalcongress@...; tamikay23@...; yiandrew@...; farm_stone@...
      Subject: Re: GCongress> [TheUnrepentantPatriots] Cryer, Chairman to hang Gurus,
      Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:18:11 -0800

      If you look you can find locations that give a lot of case histories where the highest courts have always ruled the same way - "when jurisdiction is challenged it must be proven" and although jurdiction may exist, proof must be entered into the record or it cannot be considered".
       
      What I suggest that you do is speak less and study more. Take the time to learn what physical jurisdictions under the constitutions are.
       
      Each jurisdiction represents a different legal system to some extent since each state is a different legal system separate from the other states and the United States is not only a different legal system due to physicial boundaries - the system of law there is completely different that what the state constitutions create.
       
      Here is the interesting part:
       
      While one state cannot make laws for its citizens and enforce them in other states, the United States can come into the several states to regulate its citizens.
       
      However, it still has almost no power over state born white people. Yeah, I know you will twist the white issue again instead of trying to learn why understanding this is so important.
       
      Once all this is properly understood, along with the fact that United States law as applied to conquered people or US Citizens (14th) does not secure them the right to a judical (common law) proceeding, then you can ask a jurisdictional question that has the power to stop them or at least create a void judgement that can be attacked with a writ of error - and then sue the judge who violated your due process rights.
       
      Larry says the patriot movement needs to be focused. What he does not do is to give any idea of how or in what direction.
       
      So far I have no heard him offer any solutions.
       
      I have a solution for individuals in which here is good case history and I have a different solution to eliminate communism while allowing some beneficial socalism.
       
       
      ----- Original Message -----
       
      Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:20 PM
      Subject: Re: GCongress> [TheUnrepentantPatriots] Cryer, Chairman to hang Gurus,

          So, I followed your advice: 
       
      In a message dated 1/27/2011 10:54:07 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, billmay@... writes:
      Go to Google and search "jurisdictional challenge" and look at all the case history.
       
          I looked at the first two pages of the Google search.  Noted how many jurisdictional challenges have been thrown out!  I looked at the "information lesson" from "freedom-school, Texas" (clearly a business just to milk donations).  The "freedom-school" 5 page bit is a list of quotations from cases, some quite old, without a SINGLE word about how a litigant might actually apply those quotations to the facts in any case. 
       
          Essentially the message is: Go challenge the court's jurisdiction.  NOT ONE WORD of what to do or say after the court says that your challenge is over ruled.  The "school" teaches you to ignore the facts and law that the prosecution is putting out, so that when your jurisdictional challenge is over, you haven't prepared any defense. 
       
          That sounds real smart! 
       
          So let's go back to my question: Can you cite any examples of cases of the sort real people get into where these sort of "code word" objections to jurisdiction actually have any meaning in a real court? 
       
      Further, as I told you before, go to your local court and start asking questions. As if the court is created by the state constitution or by the state legislature. 
       
          You mean just walk in and say 'Hi, do you guys have any real jurisdiction or are you just here as part of a big JUU banker conspiracy to rip us all off?' 
       
          I'm going to take a wild guess here and speculate that no one has ever gotten a court official or a judge to say "Yah, I don't have any jurisdiction, I'm just here to help out the bankers." 
       
          Can you point me to examples where this kind of question got productive results? 
       
       
      When they tell you it is a statutory court (vs common law) do your own research and see if there is any authority to replace judicial courts with legislative ones.
       
          You mean like the provision in Article III that says the Congress shall establish the courts?  Why isn't that "any authority"?  Just because you don't like it? 
       
       
      You can spend the rest of your life but you will find no such delegated power in any state constitution or even any case history to impose a fed one on a state-only citizen. 
       
          OK, now you're back to denying the validity of the 14th amendment cases, because they extended equal rights to non-whites, which you hate. 
       
          But it's silly to deny that those cases exist.  You might argue about their validity, or their "jurisdiction", but you go beyond silly when you say there isn't any such case history. 
       
      We have been over this but you refuse to learn.
       
          Right, we have been over it.  And right, I refuse to learn to turn my back on facts that may be in conflict with beliefs that I want to hold.  I was taught that real courage consists of accepting unpleasant truths and figuring out how to accept them into my life - not in just denying their existence. 
       
          I guess we were raised in different kinds of schools. 
       
       




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