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    From: Paul Andrew Mitchell Subject: Our Reply to: Lynn Stuter -- Is Obama eligible to the office of president? To: Supreme Law
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      From: Paul Andrew Mitchell <supremelawfirm@...>
      Subject: Our Reply to: Lynn Stuter -- Is Obama eligible to the office of president?
      To: "Supreme Law Firm" <paulandrewmitchell2004@...>
      Cc: lmstuter@...
      Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 7:20 AM

      http://www.newswithviews.com:80/Stuter/stuter131.htm

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      From: Paul Andrew Mitchell <paulandrewmitchell2004@...>
      Date: Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:13 AM
      Subject: Our Reply to: Lynn Stuter -- Is Obama eligible to the office of president?



      Forgive me for intruding here also, but
      the otherwise thorough essay (below) makes the
      very same error that most journalists commit
      when writing about this volatile subject.

      First of all, the term "United States" in the
      Qualifications Clauses means "States united".
      People v. De La Guerra

      Thus, the Natural Born Citizen Clause requires
      all Presidential Candidates to be Citizens of
      ONE OF the several States of the Union, at birth!

      The qualifier "one of" is found in several
      authoritative legal references e.g.:

      http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/sanmarco/complain.htm#one-of

      That qualifier is essential in this context,
      because the term "United States" has three (3)
      legal meanings in law, all different;  however,
      the Supreme Court did not admit as much until 1945!

      http://www.supremelaw.org/decs/hooven/hooven.htm#united.states


      Secondly, those Qualifications Clauses have
      never been amended and, for that one reason,
      they retain the meaning they had when they were
      first enacted into Law on June 21, 1788:

      http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/mitchell/quals.htm


      Thirdly, there are presently two (2) classes of
      citizens in America, not one class.  The second,
      inferior class of federal citizens did not exist
      when the Qualifications Clauses were being drafted.
      Pannill v. Roanoke:

      http://www.supremelaw.org/rsrc/twoclass.htm#pannill
      (this decision is definitive and dispositive on this key point)


      Therefore, journalists' honest intentions aside,
      their failure to investigate the pertinent legal
      history places all of them in the same sinking boat:
      using the irrelevant terms "U.S. citizen" and/or
      "American citizen" proves that they have not done
      the minimal required history homework on this subject.


      If you want to elevate yourself about these
      wayward grade school dropouts, start here:

      http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/mitchell/bohica.htm


      Then, read this entire Chapter three (3) times,
      until you have it almost memorized:

      http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/htm/chaptr11.htm

      We spent more time perfecting this one Chapter
      than all other Chapters combined!


      p.s.  Here is the litigation we have filed to date in
      Berg v. Obama et al.:

      http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/obama/mandamus.htm (pending)
      http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/obama/intervention.prohibition.htm
      http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/obama/notice.of.intent.htm
      http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/mitchell/before.and.after.htm
      http://www.supremelaw.org/rsrc/twoclass.htm
      http://www.supremelaw.org/press/rels/votingaz.htm
      http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/knudson/judnot09.htm#dyett



      Sincerely yours,
      /s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
      Private Attorney General, 18 U.S.C. 1964(a)
      http://www.supremelaw.org/decs/agency/private.attorney.general.htm
      Criminal Investigator and Federal Witness: 18 U.S.C. 1510, 1512-13
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      --- On Sat, 11/29/08, Sardar <sardar@...> wrote:



           IS OBAMA ELIGIBLE TO THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT?



           By Lynn Stuter

           November 25, 2008

           NewsWithViews.com

           On November 4, 2008, Barack Hussein Obama was (s)elected as the
      next
      president of the United States. For months now, the question of his
      eligibility to the office of president has been swirling with increasing
      velocity.

           Questions abound about .

             1- where Obama was actually born; Kenya or Hawaii;
             2- whether he was adopted by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro, and
      became an Indonesian citizen; and
             3- whether his vault copy Hawaii birth certificate really exists.
           Barack Hussein Obama claims he was born in Hawaii. As proof he
      produced a laser printed copy of a document which appeared on several
      websites. Two pro-Obama websites, FactCheck.org [1] and
      FighttheSmears.com
      claim the document is authentic and proof that Obama was born in Hawaii.
      From the FactCheck.org website comes this:

             "FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and
      photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets
      all
      of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S.
      citizenship.
      Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We
      have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as 'supporting
      documents' to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A.
      just as he has always said."
           Is this really true?

           If you look in the lower left-hand corner of the document shown
      at the
      two above mentioned websites, you will see the following: "OHSM 1.1 (Rev.
      11/01) Laser." OSHM stands for Office of Health Status Monitoring, a unit
      of
      the Department of Health in Hawaii. This document was printed on a form
      revised in November 2001. It was printed, as indicated, on a laser
      printer.
      If you enlarge the picture of the document, you will see that a date is
      stamped on the reverse side of the document that appears to be June 6,
      2007;
      probably the date the document was printed.

           Given the aforesaid, this document cannot be the "original birth
      certificate" as claimed by FactCheck.org because Barack Hussein Obama was
      born on August 4, 1961. His original vault copy Hawaii birth
      certificate (if
      such exists) would have been produced on a typewriter; it would not be
      printed by a laser printer (which didn't exist in 1961) and it would
      not be

      printed on a form revised in 2001 and printed in 2007.

           The FighttheSmears.com website titled their article, "The Truth
      About
      Obama's Birth Certificate." The FactCheck.org website subtitled their
      article the same. Both claim this document to be Obama's Birth
      Certificate
      when clearly it is not. If these two pro-Obama websites actually did
      have a
      copy of Obama's vault copy Hawaii birth certificate, it would not look
      like

      this and it would be a certified copy, duly notarized as a legal
      facsimile
      thereof.

           What, then, is this document? It is a Certification of Live Birth
      (hereafter referred to as a COLB) as stated dead-center of the top of the
      document.

           According to WikiAnswers.com, the difference between a Birth
      Certificate (also called a Certificate of Live Birth) and a
      Certification of
      Live Birth (COLB) in Hawaii is as follows:

             "In Hawaii, a Certificate of Live Birth is a long form birth
      certificate. The Certification of Live Birth is the short form birth
      certificate. The long form contains more information than the short form.
      The Certification is computer generated utilizing the information from
      the
      long form birth certificate. It shows the date the long form was
      filed. If a
      Certificate of Live Birth (long form) does not exist, the state of Hawaii
      will issue a No Record Certification."
           This would seem to indicate that, in order for the COLB to have
      been
      issued by the State of Hawaii, the vault copy Hawaii birth certificate
      for
      Obama has to exist. But does it? Maybe the better question would be:
      is the
      COLB provided by the Obama campaign real or a forgery?

           All of this could, of course, be cleared up by Barack Hussein Obama
      simply producing his vault copy Hawaii birth certificate for Americans to
      see. So why hasn't he?

           The answer to that may have something to do with claims that Barack
      Hussein Obama was adopted by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, changed his
      name
      to Barry Soetoro, and became an Indonesian citizen; that Barry Soetoro
      was
      an Indonesian citizen when his father enrolled him in the Catholic
      Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia. The document and its
      translation can be seen here. The authenticity of the document can be
      obtained here. The document lists Lolo Soetoro as Obama's father (not
      stepfather), and lists his citizenship as Indonesian (not American, not
      Kenyan).

           If Barack Hussein Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Hawaii, his
      original vault copy Hawaii birth certificate would be sealed; a new vault
      copy Hawaii birth certificate would be issued under his new name and any
      future documents would show Lolo Soetoro as his father. Go back and
      look at
      the COLB reproduced on FactCheck.org and FighttheSmears.com. Both show
      Barack Hussein Obama (Sr) as his father. How could that be if his birth
      certificate was changed to reflect Lolo Soetoro as his father?


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           Is it possible that Barack Hussein Obama's original vault copy
      Hawaii

      birth certificate was never changed to reflect his adoption by Lolo
      Soetoro;
      that no record exists in the United States that Barack Hussein Obama was
      adopted by Lolo Soetoro and became a citizen of Indonesia; and that
      Barack
      Hussein Obama has, since returning to live in the United States,
      perpetrated
      a fraud concerning his citizenship and his birthright? Is the COLB on
      FactCheck.org and FighttheSmears.com authentic but still a fraud? Or
      is the
      COLB provided by the Obama campaign and produced on these two websites a
      forgery? Either way, Barack Hussein Obama is implicated in the fraud
      or the
      forgery.

           If Obama did, in fact, become a citizen of Indonesia, such also
      precludes his eligibility to the office of president under Article II,
      Section I, United States Constitution. A Norwegian news agency that
      reports
      on events in Africa, African Press International (API), claims that
      Michelle
      Obama called them regarding a story they did on Obama's adoption and
      Indonesian citizenship, published on their website on October 15,
      2008.[2]
      API claims that Michelle Obama stated to them the following:

             ". it is strange that API has chosen to support the racists
      against
      my husband. There is no shame in being adopted by a stepfather. All
      dirt has
      been thrown onto my husband's face and yet he loves this country. My
      husband
      and I know that there is no law that will stop him from becoming the
      president, just because some American white racists are bringing up the
      issue of my husband's adoption by his stepfather. The important thing
      here
      is where my husband's heart is at the moment. I can tell the American
      people
      that my husband loves this country and his adoption never changed his
      love
      for this country. He was born in Hawaii, yes, and that gives him all the
      right to be an American citizen even though he was adopted by a
      foreigner."[3]
           According to the API website, the tape of the conversation was made
      without Michelle Obama's knowledge; that the tapes would not be released
      until legal issues were settled; that the tapes will be made public
      any day
      now.

           If Michelle Obama actually did make this statement, she tries to
      equate "natural born citizen" with "American citizen". A
      foreign national
      who enters this country legally, and goes through the process to become a
      citizen is also an American citizen; he or she is not, however, a "natural

      born citizen" and is not eligible to the office of president. This was the

      lament of Republicans when Arnold Schwarzenegger became governor of
      California. This issue has nothing to do with Obama's alleged "love
      [for]
      this country."

           So the questions remain, despite the claims of the two pro-Obama
      websites, of 1) whether Barack Hussein Obama really has a vault copy
      Hawaii
      birth certificate; and 2) if he does, what it says. Another pertinent
      question is how many different birth documents are there for Barack
      Hussein
      Obama and where do they emanate from.

           Lawsuits were filed in several states prior to November 4, 2008,
      challenging the right of Barack Hussein Obama to be on the ballots of the
      various states where the lawsuits were filed. Those lawsuits were, for
      the
      most part, dismissed by the courts of the respective states.

           However, two lawsuits still exist before the United States Supreme
      Court: Berg vs Obama, et al and Donofrio vs Wells. [4]

           Meanwhile, the enterprising hosts of the Mike in the Morning
      show out
      of Detroit, Michigan called the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, DC and
      spoke
      with the Kenyan Ambassador to the United States, Peter Ogego. Ambassador
      Ogego had some most interesting things to say to the WRIF hosts. That
      conversation was recorded and can be listened to here. The bottom line,
      however, is that Kenyan Ambassador Ogego confirmed that Barack Hussein
      Obama
      was born in Kenya as claimed by Obama's paternal grandmother who
      states he
      was born in Mombasa, Kenya; that she was present at his birth.


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           Barack Hussein Obama was born of an American mother and a Kenyan
      father. If he was born in Kenya, his mother was still American. Could she
      confer her American citizenship to Obama even though he was born in
      Kenya?
      According to VisaLaw.com, a child born of an American parent in a foreign
      land between December 23, 1952 and November 13, 1986 would have to
      meet the
      following requirement to claim American citizenship:

             "When one parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign
      national,
      the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years
      prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age
      of 14.
      An exception for people serving in the military was created by
      considering
      time spent outside the US on military duty as time spent in the US."
           Stanley Ann Dunham Obama was born November 29, 1942. Barack Hussein
      Obama, her son, was born August 4, 1961. Her age, at his birth, was 18
      years, 8 months, 5 days. To be absolutely exacting; he was born 248 days
      past her 18th birthday. She would have needed to be 19 years of age
      prior to
      Barack Hussein Obama's birth in order to confer her U.S. citizenship
      status

      to her son if he was born in Kenya.

           On FactCheck.org we find the following: "Q[uestion]: Does Barack
      Obama
      have Kenyan citizenship. A[nswer]: No. He held both U.S. and Kenyan
      citizenship as a child, but lost his Kenyan citizenship automatically
      on his
      21st birthday."

           A "natural born citizen" of the United States is not defined as

      someone having "dual citizenship." Article II, Section I of the
      United
      States Constitution makes it very clear:

             "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the
      United
      States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution shall be
      eligible
      to the office of president; ."
           Do you see provision made for someone with dual citizenship and,
      therefore, dual loyalties? The framers of the Constitution, because they
      were not natural born citizens of the United States, were
      grandfathered in
      as eligible to the presidency. That grandfather clause does not extend to
      someone born in 1961 even if it is determined that Obama was born in
      Hawaii
      and not Kenya. And, of course, there remains the question of Barack
      Hussein
      Obama becoming an Indonesian citizen when adopted by Lolo Soetoro. The
      above
      quote from FactCheck.org is inaccurate when it states that Obama was a
      Kenyan citizen as a child. He would have lost that citizenship, as he did
      the U.S. citizenship, when he became an Indonesian citizen.

           All of this brings up the very real question: who is Barack Hussein
      Obama? Is he really Barack Hussein Obama or is he really Barry
      Soetoro, or
      is he some derivation thereof? What do we really know about this man?
      What
      is his true and accurate history with regard to birth and citizenship?
      The
      American people do not know; the American people want to know; and the
      American people have a right to know.

           Barack Hussein Obama has been vetted by no one. If a decision,
      handed
      down by a California court in a case challenging the eligibility of
      McCain
      to appear on the California ballot is to be believed, the only course of
      action left to the American people, if this matter is not settled before
      December 15, 2008 when the electoral college meets, or is not settled
      by the
      electoral college when it does meet, is to seek court action at that
      time,
      roughly one month prior to the date Obama should be sworn in.

           Why has the mainstream media failed to investigate the very real
      probability that Barack Hussein Obama is not who he claims to be and
      is not
      eligible to the office of president? The answer might be found in the
      bias
      the mainstream media showed the Obama candidacy. Examples can be found
      here
      and here.



           One thing is for sure, Barack Hussein Obama's eligibility to the
      office of president should not have been neglected until this late
      date. If
      he is not eligible to the office of president, as many believe and is
      quite
      probable, a constitutional crisis looms. What procedure is in place in
      the
      event Obama is not eligible to the office of president seems a
      mystery. The
      California case suggests that the presidency would fall to the
      Vice-President elect, Joe Biden. One would think, however, that if Obama
      were determined not eligible to the office of president, then the
      Democrat
      Party nomination would be vacated. What happens then? Who becomes
      president?
      Or does a new election have to be called and we keep warmongering George
      Bush as our commandant-in-thief?



           Barack Hussein Obama claims to be a "man of the people." If he
      is then
      he does not believe himself above the American people; does not
      believe he
      is not answerable to the American people; does not believe he has a
      right to
      withhold information deemed vital to the interests of the American
      people;
      and does not believe himself above the United States Constitution.

           If Barack Hussein Obama does believe himself superior to the
      people of
      the United States, he will evade and avoid clearing up the questions
      surrounding his eligibility to the office of president, as he has done
      thus
      far.

           End notes:

           1- FactCheck.org is run by the Annenberg Public Policy Center,
      funded
      by the Annenberg Foundation. Barack Obama served on the board of the
      Annenberg Foundation.
           2- The article has since been pulled.
           3- Written source; vocal confirmation as read from original API
      article of October 15, 2008.
           4- Access to this website may be sporadic.

           © 2008 Lynn M. Stuter - All Rights Reserved



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      researching systems theory and systems philosophy with a particular
      emphasis
      on education as it pertains to achieving the sustainable global
      environment.
      She home schooled two daughters. She has worked with legislators, both
      state
      and federal, on issues pertaining to systems governance, the sustainable
      global environment and education reform. She networks nationwide with
      other
      researchers and a growing body of citizens concerned with the
      transformation
      of our nation from a Constitutional Republic to a participatory
      democracy.
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      simply producing his vault copy Hawaii birth certificate for Americans to
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