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  • Norm Scott
    Sure spending doesn t help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where
    Message 1 of 28 , Jul 15, 2013
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      Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going.
      What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap.
      Norm
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      Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in.
      Pouring more money into the system is not the answer.


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      School spending spree shows mixed results
      THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office — but bigger bucks haven’t always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show.


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    • jcalant
      The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011.
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        The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted.


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        Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going.
        What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap.
        Norm
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        To: calantjis <calantjis@...>
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        Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results

        Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in.
        Pouring more money into the system is not the answer.


        I thought you'd like this:
        http://fw.to/osqDsKl

        School spending spree shows mixed results
        THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office — but bigger bucks haven’t always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show.


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      • Norm Scott
        divide the money by the number of personel and I think you get about 14 in a class. That s how they get those numbers. These numbers include all the costs not
        Message 3 of 28 , Jul 15, 2013
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          divide the money by the number of personel and I think you get about 14 in a class. That's how they get those numbers.
          These numbers include all the costs not just classroom. And how much for teacher salary costs which went up for the longer days.
          Here's a way to save money. Get rid of all teachers with over 5 years experience.
          And PD costs. And busing costs. All layers of admin. Reorgs. Closing then opening schools.
          Remember the 2 coaches for every school? Parent coords? Growing schools from around 1200 to 1800 and costs involved.
          I bet the real numbers in terms of kids served was greater before bloomberg.
          So yes throwing wasteful money doesn't work. But we've never really inundated the schools with services that would work.
          Except in the years I began - 67-69. And even then they did so much of it in dumb ways.
          Cheers,
          Norm Scott

          Twitter: normscott1

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          The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted.


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          Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going.
          What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap.
          Norm
          Cheers,
          Norm Scott

          Twitter: normscott1

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          -----Original Message-----
          From: calantjis <calantjis@...>
          To: calantjis <calantjis@...>
          Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm
          Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results

          Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in.
          Pouring more money into the system is not the answer.


          I thought you'd like this:
          http://fw.to/osqDsKl

          School spending spree shows mixed results
          THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office — but bigger bucks haven’t always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show.


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        • c_ofeb
          Doesn t matter how much one spends per student ùor even if there are only five students in each classroomù if the curriculum doesn t teach the students
          Message 4 of 28 , Jul 16, 2013
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            Doesn't matter how much one spends per student —or even if there are only five students in each classroom— if the curriculum doesn't teach the students effectively. I question the complete sweeping out of previous techniques that had success in order to purchase new sets of text books, pay for re-training of teachers and to adopt new "innovative" approaches based on entertaining pitches to panels made up of non-educators and political deals.



            --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, "Norm Scott" <normsco@...> wrote:
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            > divide the money by the number of personel and I think you get about 14 in a class. That's how they get those numbers.
            > These numbers include all the costs not just classroom. And how much for teacher salary costs which went up for the longer days.
            > Here's a way to save money. Get rid of all teachers with over 5 years experience.
            > And PD costs. And busing costs. All layers of admin. Reorgs. Closing then opening schools.
            > Remember the 2 coaches for every school? Parent coords? Growing schools from around 1200 to 1800 and costs involved.
            > I bet the real numbers in terms of kids served was greater before bloomberg.
            > So yes throwing wasteful money doesn't work. But we've never really inundated the schools with services that would work.
            > Except in the years I began - 67-69. And even then they did so much of it in dumb ways.
            >
            > Cheers,
            > Norm Scott
            >
            > Twitter: normscott1
            >
            > Education Notes
            > ednotesonline.blogspot.com
            >
            > Grassroots Education Movement
            > gemnyc.org
            >
            > Education columnist, The Wave
            > www.rockawave.com
            >
            > nycfirst robotics
            > normsrobotics.blogspot.com
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            > Sent from my BlackBerry
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            > The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted.
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            > To: NYC Ed News <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
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            > Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going.
            > What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap.
            > Norm
            >
            > Cheers,
            > Norm Scott
            >
            > Twitter: normscott1
            >
            > Education Notes
            > ednotesonline.blogspot.com
            >
            > Grassroots Education Movement
            > gemnyc.org
            >
            > Education columnist, The Wave
            > www.rockawave.com
            >
            > nycfirst robotics
            > normsrobotics.blogspot.com
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            > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in.
            > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer.
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            > I thought you'd like this:
            > http://fw.to/osqDsKl
            >
            > School spending spree shows mixed results
            > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â€" but bigger bucks haven’t always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show.
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            > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results
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            > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in.
            > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer.
            >
            >
            > I thought you'd like this:
            > http://fw.to/osqDsKl
            >
            > School spending spree shows mixed results
            > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â€" but bigger bucks haven’t always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show.
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          • t
            If the schools don t need more money, then how come I was told my daughter had to be in a class of 30 kindergarten children with 1 teacher because there wasn t
            Message 5 of 28 , Jul 16, 2013
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              If the schools don't need more money, then how come I was told my daughter had to be in a class of 30 kindergarten children with 1 teacher because there wasn't enough money?
              That fun science lab experiments were cut for Kindergarten starting in 2010 in our school because there wasn't enough money?
              That they had to watch Sponge Bob during recess instead of having aides lead recreational activities because there wasn't enough money?
              That they couldn't obey the law on how much gym time was to be given because there wasn't enough money?
              That they couldn't have children visit a school library with a circulating book collection because there wasn't enough money?
              We need more money and we need to transfer some of the money being used on garbage to "real" school activities.
              --Vicki

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              > To: calantjis <calantjis@...>
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              > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results
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              > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in.
              > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer.
              >
              >
              > I thought you'd like this:
              > http://fw.to/osqDsKl
              >
              > School spending spree shows mixed results
              > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â€" but bigger bucks haven’t always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show.
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            • t
              When the social welfare system and the mental-health nonexistent system is evaluated, they don t point fingers at the schools. The schools job is to win with
              Message 6 of 28 , Jul 16, 2013
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                When the social welfare system and the mental-health nonexistent system is evaluated, they don't point fingers at the schools.
                The schools' job is to win with the team they're given. If a teacher didn't have 30 kids to teach reading to (when most parents won't even allow a play date with more than 1 guest), then they could do a better job.
                But they have to put their mouths where their union is and speak up individually and have some courage now and then. REFUSE to reach classes over class size limits.
                When teachers are standing up for students and telling principals, NO, I won't assign homework in Kindergarten;
                NO, I won't let you take the toys out of my kindergarten classroom,
                NO, I won't stop teaching cursive in second grade,
                NO, I won't allow you to cancel gym every day for my K-3 class,
                NO, I won't let you stop me from taking my class to the library once a week for instruction on its use and book check-out,
                NO, I won't let you show Sponge Bob in the cafeteria during lunch time,
                NO, I won't let you ban books from the auditorium...
                When school staff and teachers start doing all this, then maybe this parent will allow you to take your focus off your jobs and point your fingers at the rest of society.
                What's the excuse for the shoddy education our schools provide in high-income, high-literacy neighborhoods in Forest Hills? The kind of neighborhood where parents sit up late at night reading about how to better help their kids learn to read?
                We spend $30,000 on students in the high-achieving schools in America, so why should NYC only get $19,000 per student?
                We spend more than $30,000 a year on prisoners. Get the picture? --Vicki

                --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, calantjis@... wrote:
                >
                > The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted.
                >
                >
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: Norm Scott <normsco@...>
                > To: NYC Ed News <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:35 pm
                > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
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                > Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going.
                > What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap.
                > Norm
                >
                > Cheers,
                > Norm Scott
                >
                > Twitter: normscott1
                >
                > Education Notes
                > ednotesonline.blogspot.com
                >
                > Grassroots Education Movement
                > gemnyc.org
                >
                > Education columnist, The Wave
                > www.rockawave.com
                >
                > nycfirst robotics
                > normsrobotics.blogspot.com
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                > To: calantjis <calantjis@...>
                > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm
                > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results
                >
                >
                > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in.
                > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer.
                >
                >
                > I thought you'd like this:
                > http://fw.to/osqDsKl
                >
                > School spending spree shows mixed results
                > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â€" but bigger bucks haven’t always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show.
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                > To: calantjis <calantjis@...>
                > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm
                > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results
                >
                >
                > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in.
                > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer.
                >
                >
                > I thought you'd like this:
                > http://fw.to/osqDsKl
                >
                > School spending spree shows mixed results
                > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â€" but bigger bucks haven’t always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show.
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              • t
                The kind of school that s going to show Bedford-Stuyvesant children how to reach their potential is not the same kind of school that s going to show Lower East
                Message 7 of 28 , Jul 16, 2013
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                  The kind of school that's going to show Bedford-Stuyvesant children how to reach their potential is not the same kind of school that's going to show Lower East Side, Harlem, Rosedale, Williamsburg, Park Slope, Forest Hills, Richmond Hill, etc. children how to reach potential.

                  We need to break up this unwieldy conglomerate and create small school districts, demand a right to vote for school boards be returned to all citizens (not just PEP and CEC members and not just parents) and demand a publicly accountable school budget where every single check written is posted on the Internet.

                  --Vicki

                  --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, "Norm Scott" <normsco@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > divide the money by the number of personel and I think you get about 14 in a class. That's how they get those numbers.
                  > These numbers include all the costs not just classroom. And how much for teacher salary costs which went up for the longer days.
                  > Here's a way to save money. Get rid of all teachers with over 5 years experience.
                  > And PD costs. And busing costs. All layers of admin. Reorgs. Closing then opening schools.
                  > Remember the 2 coaches for every school? Parent coords? Growing schools from around 1200 to 1800 and costs involved.
                  > I bet the real numbers in terms of kids served was greater before bloomberg.
                  > So yes throwing wasteful money doesn't work. But we've never really inundated the schools with services that would work.
                  > Except in the years I began - 67-69. And even then they did so much of it in dumb ways.
                  >
                  > Cheers,
                  > Norm Scott
                  >
                  > Twitter: normscott1
                  >
                  > Education Notes
                  > ednotesonline.blogspot.com
                  >
                  > Grassroots Education Movement
                  > gemnyc.org
                  >
                  > Education columnist, The Wave
                  > www.rockawave.com
                  >
                  > nycfirst robotics
                  > normsrobotics.blogspot.com
                  >
                  > Sent from my BlackBerry
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                  > -----Original Message-----
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                  > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
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                  > The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > From: Norm Scott <normsco@...>
                  > To: NYC Ed News <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:35 pm
                  > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going.
                  > What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap.
                  > Norm
                  >
                  > Cheers,
                  > Norm Scott
                  >
                  > Twitter: normscott1
                  >
                  > Education Notes
                  > ednotesonline.blogspot.com
                  >
                  > Grassroots Education Movement
                  > gemnyc.org
                  >
                  > Education columnist, The Wave
                  > www.rockawave.com
                  >
                  > nycfirst robotics
                  > normsrobotics.blogspot.com
                  >
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                  > To: calantjis <calantjis@...>
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                  >
                  >
                  > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in.
                  > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer.
                  >
                  >
                  > I thought you'd like this:
                  > http://fw.to/osqDsKl
                  >
                  > School spending spree shows mixed results
                  > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â€" but bigger bucks haven’t always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show.
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                  > To: calantjis <calantjis@...>
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                  > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results
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                  > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in.
                  > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer.
                  >
                  >
                  > I thought you'd like this:
                  > http://fw.to/osqDsKl
                  >
                  > School spending spree shows mixed results
                  > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â€" but bigger bucks haven’t always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show.
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                • jcalant
                  Remember, the principal makes the decisions on how the budget is spent and then sells the staff to try to justify it, placing blame elsewhere, on programs or
                  Message 8 of 28 , Jul 16, 2013
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                    Remember, the principal makes the decisions on how the budget is spent and then sells the staff to try to justify it, placing blame elsewhere, on programs or activities, he/she decided to cut.This is why the budget should be transparent and available for discussion and input, particularly by the SLT. The priorities for spending should come from the school community and not the principal only.


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                    If the schools don't need more money, then how come I was told my daughter had to be in a class of 30 kindergarten children with 1 teacher because there wasn't enough money?
                    That fun science lab experiments were cut for Kindergarten starting in 2010 in our school because there wasn't enough money?
                    That they had to watch Sponge Bob during recess instead of having aides lead recreational activities because there wasn't enough money?
                    That they couldn't obey the law on how much gym time was to be given because there wasn't enough money?
                    That they couldn't have children visit a school library with a circulating book collection because there wasn't enough money?
                    We need more money and we need to transfer some of the money being used on garbage to "real" school activities.
                    --Vicki

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                  • jcalant
                    These are all discussions and decisions for the school leadership team. ... From: t To: nyceducationnews
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                      These are all discussions and decisions for the school leadership team.


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                      When the social welfare system and the mental-health nonexistent system is evaluated, they don't point fingers at the schools.
                      The schools' job is to win with the team they're given. If a teacher didn't have 30 kids to teach reading to (when most parents won't even allow a play date with more than 1 guest), then they could do a better job.
                      But they have to put their mouths where their union is and speak up individually and have some courage now and then. REFUSE to reach classes over class size limits.
                      When teachers are standing up for students and telling principals, NO, I won't assign homework in Kindergarten;
                      NO, I won't let you take the toys out of my kindergarten classroom,
                      NO, I won't stop teaching cursive in second grade,
                      NO, I won't allow you to cancel gym every day for my K-3 class,
                      NO, I won't let you stop me from taking my class to the library once a week for instruction on its use and book check-out,
                      NO, I won't let you show Sponge Bob in the cafeteria during lunch time,
                      NO, I won't let you ban books from the auditorium...
                      When school staff and teachers start doing all this, then maybe this parent will allow you to take your focus off your jobs and point your fingers at the rest of society.
                      What's the excuse for the shoddy education our schools provide in high-income, high-literacy neighborhoods in Forest Hills? The kind of neighborhood where parents sit up late at night reading about how to better help their kids learn to read?
                      We spend $30,000 on students in the high-achieving schools in America, so why should NYC only get $19,000 per student?
                      We spend more than $30,000 a year on prisoners. Get the picture? --Vicki

                      --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, calantjis@... wrote:
                      >
                      > The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted.
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                      > Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going.
                      > What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap.
                      > Norm
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                      > Cheers,
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                    • Erica Perez
                      Everyone always says that these are SLT based decisions. The reality is that the principal is given the final say on all decisions.  Even the parents cannot
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                        Everyone always says that these are SLT based decisions. The reality is that the principal is given the final say on all decisions.  Even the parents cannot have control of the 1% of title 1 without the principal signing off on it. That is true dictatorship.
                        From: "calantjis@..." <calantjis@...>
                        To: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com
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                        These are all discussions and decisions for the school leadership team.


                        -----Original Message-----
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                        To: nyceducationnews <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:00 am
                        Subject: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results

                         
                        When the social welfare system and the mental-health nonexistent system is evaluated, they don't point fingers at the schools. The schools' job is to win with the team they're given. If a teacher didn't have 30 kids to teach reading to (when most parents won't even allow a play date with more than 1 guest), then they could do a better job. But they have to put their mouths where their union is and speak up individually and have some courage now and then. REFUSE to reach classes over class size limits. When teachers are standing up for students and telling principals, NO, I won't assign homework in Kindergarten; NO, I won't let you take the toys out of my kindergarten classroom, NO, I won't stop teaching cursive in second grade, NO, I won't allow you to cancel gym every day for my K-3 class, NO, I won't let you stop me from taking my class to the library once a week for instruction on its use and book check-out, NO, I won't let you show Sponge Bob in the cafeteria during lunch time, NO, I won't let you ban books from the auditorium... When school staff and teachers start doing all this, then maybe this parent will allow you to take your focus off your jobs and point your fingers at the rest of society. What's the excuse for the shoddy education our schools provide in high-income, high-literacy neighborhoods in Forest Hills? The kind of neighborhood where parents sit up late at night reading about how to better help their kids learn to read? We spend $30,000 on students in the high-achieving schools in America, so why should NYC only get $19,000 per student? We spend more than $30,000 a year on prisoners. Get the picture? --Vicki
                        --- In mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com, calantjis@... wrote: > > The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norm Scott <normsco@...> > To: NYC Ed News <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:35 pm > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going. > What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap. > Norm > > Cheers, > Norm Scott > > Twitter: normscott1 > > Education Notes > ednotesonline.blogspot.com > > Grassroots Education Movement > gemnyc.org > > Education columnist, The Wave > http://www.rockawave.com/ > > nycfirst robotics > normsrobotics.blogspot.com > > Sent from my BlackBerry > From: calantjis@... > Sender: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:01:56 -0400 (EDT) > To: <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > ReplyTo: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@...> > To: calantjis <calantjis@...> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@...> > To: calantjis <calantjis@...> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. >
                      • jcalant
                        What are we doing about it? I have been an SLT advocate since 2004 and have found that parents and the UFT are not willing to speak out and fight for their
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                          What are we doing about it? I have been an SLT advocate since 2004 and have found that parents and the UFT are not willing to speak out and fight for their rights in school governance through SLT's
                          Problems with the 1% spending of Title 1 funds can be addressed by the State and US Dept. of Education, which has offices in NYC.

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                          Everyone always says that these are SLT based decisions. The reality is that the principal is given the final say on all decisions.  Even the parents cannot have control of the 1% of title 1 without the principal signing off on it. That is true dictatorship.
                          From: "calantjis@..." <calantjis@...>
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                          These are all discussions and decisions for the school leadership team.


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                          To: nyceducationnews <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:00 am
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                          When the social welfare system and the mental-health nonexistent system is evaluated, they don't point fingers at the schools. The schools' job is to win with the team they're given. If a teacher didn't have 30 kids to teach reading to (when most parents won't even allow a play date with more than 1 guest), then they could do a better job. But they have to put their mouths where their union is and speak up individually and have some courage now and then. REFUSE to reach classes over class size limits. When teachers are standing up for students and telling principals, NO, I won't assign homework in Kindergarten; NO, I won't let you take the toys out of my kindergarten classroom, NO, I won't stop teaching cursive in second grade, NO, I won't allow you to cancel gym every day for my K-3 class, NO, I won't let you stop me from taking my class to the library once a week for instruction on its use and book check-out, NO, I won't let you show Sponge Bob in the cafeteria during lunch time, NO, I won't let you ban books from the auditorium... When school staff and teachers start doing all this, then maybe this parent will allow you to take your focus off your jobs and point your fingers at the rest of society. What's the excuse for the shoddy education our schools provide in high-income, high-literacy neighborhoods in Forest Hills? The kind of neighborhood where parents sit up late at night reading about how to better help their kids learn to read? We spend $30,000 on students in the high-achieving schools in America, so why should NYC only get $19,000 per student? We spend more than $30,000 a year on prisoners. Get the picture? --Vicki --- In mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com, calantjis@... wrote: > > The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norm Scott <normsco@...> > To: NYC Ed News <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:35 pm > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going. > What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap. > Norm > > Cheers, > Norm Scott > > Twitter: normscott1 > > Education Notes > ednotesonline.blogspot.com > > Grassroots Education Movement > gemnyc.org > > Education columnist, The Wave > http://www.rockawave.com/ > > nycfirst robotics > normsrobotics.blogspot.com > > Sent from my BlackBerry > From: calantjis@... > Sender: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:01:56 -0400 (EDT) > To: <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > ReplyTo: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@...> > To: calantjis <calantjis@...> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@...> > To: calantjis <calantjis@...> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. >
                        • Lisa Donlan
                          I think you both raise an important problem and opportunity. While the laws governing SLTs and shared decision making have not changed since 1994, this
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                            I think you both raise an important problem and opportunity.

                             While the laws governing SLTs and shared decision making have not changed since 1994, this autocratic administration has managed to by-pass and ignore them, just like every other law that interferes with their top-down "empowered principal as CEO" schema.

                            Parents make up 50% of each team by law.
                             Principals have but one voice in this consensus-based body.
                             Teachers and parents, should be selected to represent their constituencies by the PTA and chapter who elect them, respectively.

                             Imagine if these team members came together united in their goals and priorities?
                             How could even the most autocratic bullying principal override that unity and focus?

                            Yet, it is true that as the whole system is top down, controlling and punitive, principals often engage in a parallel process and treat families and staff in  the same way Tweed bullies and dictates to them.

                             There is so much pressure to show positive metrics- test scores, basically, in the SQR and the Progress Report and the NYState Report Card and the Teacher Evaluations and Principal Evaluations that naturally the Comprehensive Educational Plan is not negotiated or determined by the Team. It is concocted out of the Principals' mandates as handed down from the Network Leaders or their bosses in the Clusters, or the district Superintendents or whoever plays the heavy for Tweed's playbook du jour.

                            And in fact, principals do control the budget.
                            And any and all information flows through them.

                             But when Mayoral control of NYC schools was reauthorized by our Legislature up in Albany ( who seem not to care much about how things get implemented down here) safeguards w re added such that SLTs now can evaluate the principals' leadership on the SLT and the principals must justify their budget priorities in terms of how they reflects those goals outlined by the CEP, ( which is supposed, by law, to be written by the Team).


                            Have the Bosses at Tweed overreached beyond the law ( like in so many cases- districts and Sups to name a key deformation of the law)?
                             Oh yes!
                             Have most principals re enacted that overreaching in their schools?
                             Yes indeed, again.
                            Do school communities participate in this abuse of power, albeit unwillingly, inadvertently or perhaps sometimes complicity?
                             Yes, it would largely seem so.

                            So where is the opportunity?

                            Training on the rights and responsibilities of the SLT is a great place to start.*
                             
                            The duty of the DLT to support, and even evaluate (every two years), their district SLTs is another.

                             Filling out the Principals eval form in the addendum to A-655 is another.
                             
                            Utilizing the form in the addendum to report to the Sup if the Principl fails to supprt the SLT's goals with appropraite budget is another.
                             
                            Of course with school budgets slashed 14% over the last 4 years how could there be much discretionary spending for SLTs to appropriate?
                             The Tweedies have not really empowered principals- more like yoked them via Management By Objective to their pet principles, mostly expressed through corrupt and flawed test scores, surveys and quality reviews, in the context of choice and competition and market efficiency.

                            it is my experience that, under Mayoral control, even the most open and horizontally-disposed school leaders do not have the mind share or the wiggle room to build and empower strong SLTs to enact consistent shared decision making.

                             And that the most authoritative and unwelcoming school leaders are in fact severely under skilled, each human flaw and professional shortcoming magnified by the enormous demands put on their shoulders day after day as "accountability" won in exchange for control shifts down the line to the school level.


                            Let's hope the next Mayor gets briefed on the NYC governance laws and structure and helps SLTs to grow and flourish to make good on their collective promise to give parents, teachers ( and students in HS) a voice.

                             The laws are already in place, like so many others that Tweed's legal team and henchmen have make a joke of.


                            Lisa


                            *The UFT Manhattan parent  outreach coordinator, Fran Streich has scheduled trainings on SLT rights and responsibilities several times a year: at monthly meetings, at the  twice-yearly borough conference and many other  times for individual schools or districts. ( Full disclosure- the DLT in D1 developed such a training for our SLTs and the D1 UFT District Rep and I usually deliver the trainings together).

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                            What are we doing about it? I have been an SLT advocate since 2004 and have found that parents and the UFT are not willing to speak out and fight for their rights in school governance through SLT's
                            Problems with the 1% spending of Title 1 funds can be addressed by the State and US Dept. of Education, which has offices in NYC.


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                            Everyone always says that these are SLT based decisions. The reality is that the principal is given the final say on all decisions.  Even the parents cannot have control of the 1% of title 1 without the principal signing off on it. That is true dictatorship.
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                            These are all discussions and decisions for the school leadership team.


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                            To: nyceducationnews <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:00 am
                            Subject: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results

                             
                            When the social welfare system and the mental-health nonexistent system is evaluated, they don't point fingers at the schools. The schools' job is to win with the team they're given. If a teacher didn't have 30 kids to teach reading to (when most parents won't even allow a play date with more than 1 guest), then they could do a better job. But they have to put their mouths where their union is and speak up individually and have some courage now and then. REFUSE to reach classes over class size limits. When teachers are standing up for students and telling principals, NO, I won't assign homework in Kindergarten; NO, I won't let you take the toys out of my kindergarten classroom, NO, I won't stop teaching cursive in second grade, NO, I won't allow you to cancel gym every day for my K-3 class, NO, I won't let you stop me from taking my class to the library once a week for instruction on its use and book check-out, NO, I won't let you show Sponge Bob in the cafeteria during lunch time, NO, I won't let you ban books from the auditorium... When school staff and teachers start doing all this, then maybe this parent will allow you to take your focus off your jobs and point your fingers at the rest of society. What's the excuse for the shoddy education our schools provide in high-income, high-literacy neighborhoods in Forest Hills? The kind of neighborhood where parents sit up late at night reading about how to better help their kids learn to read? We spend $30,000 on students in the high-achieving schools in America, so why should NYC only get $19,000 per student? We spend more than $30,000 a year on prisoners. Get the picture? --Vicki --- In mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com, calantjis@... wrote: > > The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norm Scott <normsco@...> > To: NYC Ed News <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:35 pm > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going. > What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap. > Norm > > Cheers, > Norm Scott > > Twitter: normscott1 > > Education Notes > ednotesonline.blogspot.com > > Grassroots Education Movement > gemnyc.org > > Education columnist, The Wave > http://www.rockawave.com/ > > nycfirst robotics > normsrobotics.blogspot.com > > Sent from my BlackBerry > From: calantjis@... > Sender: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:01:56 -0400 (EDT) > To: <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > ReplyTo: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@...> > To: calantjis <calantjis@...> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@...> > To: calantjis <calantjis@...> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. >

                          • Erica Perez
                            What do you do when a principal hires a parent as a para and she still sits on SLT as a parent and on the PA as Vice President? This information was never
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                              What do you do when a principal hires a parent as a para and she still sits on SLT as a parent and on the PA as Vice President? This information was never disclosed as she sat on SLT as a core member changing bylaws and signing a CEP that was never worked on. This info was also not disclosed when she spent and signed off on the Title 1 funds and spent money from the P.A. FUNDS. This is how underhanded it has become.

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                              Subject: RE: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
                               
                              I think you both raise an important problem and opportunity.
                               While the laws governing SLTs and shared decision making have not changed since 1994, this autocratic administration has managed to by-pass and ignore them, just like every other law that interferes with their top-down "empowered principal as CEO" schema.

                              Parents make up 50% of each team by law.
                               Principals have but one voice in this consensus-based body.
                               Teachers and parents, should be selected to represent their constituencies by the PTA and chapter who elect them, respectively.

                               Imagine if these team members came together united in their goals and priorities?
                               How could even the most autocratic bullying principal override that unity and focus?

                              Yet, it is true that as the whole system is top down, controlling and punitive, principals often engage in a parallel process and treat families and staff in  the same way Tweed bullies and dictates to them.

                               There is so much pressure to show positive metrics- test scores, basically, in the SQR and the Progress Report and the NYState Report Card and the Teacher Evaluations and Principal Evaluations that naturally the Comprehensive Educational Plan is not negotiated or determined by the Team. It is concocted out of the Principals' mandates as handed down from the Network Leaders or their bosses in the Clusters, or the district Superintendents or whoever plays the heavy for Tweed's playbook du jour.

                              And in fact, principals do control the budget.
                              And any and all information flows through them.

                               But when Mayoral control of NYC schools was reauthorized by our Legislature up in Albany ( who seem not to care much about how things get implemented down here) safeguards w re added such that SLTs now can evaluate the principals' leadership on the SLT and the principals must justify their budget priorities in terms of how they reflects those goals outlined by the CEP, ( which is supposed, by law, to be written by the Team).


                              Have the Bosses at Tweed overreached beyond the law ( like in so many cases- districts and Sups to name a key deformation of the law)?
                               Oh yes!
                               Have most principals re enacted that overreaching in their schools?
                               Yes indeed, again.
                              Do school communities participate in this abuse of power, albeit unwillingly, inadvertently or perhaps sometimes complicity?
                               Yes, it would largely seem so.

                              So where is the opportunity?

                              Training on the rights and responsibilities of the SLT is a great place to start.*
                               
                              The duty of the DLT to support, and even evaluate (every two years), their district SLTs is another.

                               Filling out the Principals eval form in the addendum to A-655 is another.
                               
                              Utilizing the form in the addendum to report to the Sup if the Principl fails to supprt the SLT's goals with appropraite budget is another.
                               
                              Of course with school budgets slashed 14% over the last 4 years how could there be much discretionary spending for SLTs to appropriate?
                               The Tweedies have not really empowered principals- more like yoked them via Management By Objective to their pet principles, mostly expressed through corrupt and flawed test scores, surveys and quality reviews, in the context of choice and competition and market efficiency.

                              it is my experience that, under Mayoral control, even the most open and horizontally-disposed school leaders do not have the mind share or the wiggle room to build and empower strong SLTs to enact consistent shared decision making.

                               And that the most authoritative and unwelcoming school leaders are in fact severely under skilled, each human flaw and professional shortcoming magnified by the enormous demands put on their shoulders day after day as "accountability" won in exchange for control shifts down the line to the school level.


                              Let's hope the next Mayor gets briefed on the NYC governance laws and structure and helps SLTs to grow and flourish to make good on their collective promise to give parents, teachers ( and students in HS) a voice.

                               The laws are already in place, like so many others that Tweed's legal team and henchmen have make a joke of.


                              Lisa


                              *The UFT Manhattan parent  outreach coordinator, Fran Streich has scheduled trainings on SLT rights and responsibilities several times a year: at monthly meetings, at the  twice-yearly borough conference and many other  times for individual schools or districts. ( Full disclosure- the DLT in D1 developed such a training for our SLTs and the D1 UFT District Rep and I usually deliver the trainings together).
                              To: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com From: calantjis@... Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 16:12:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results 
                              What are we doing about it? I have been an SLT advocate since 2004 and have found that parents and the UFT are not willing to speak out and fight for their rights in school governance through SLT's
                              Problems with the 1% spending of Title 1 funds can be addressed by the State and US Dept. of Education, which has offices in NYC.

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                              Everyone always says that these are SLT based decisions. The reality is that the principal is given the final say on all decisions.  Even the parents cannot have control of the 1% of title 1 without the principal signing off on it. That is true dictatorship.
                              From: "calantjis@..." <calantjis@...>
                              To: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:23 AM
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                              These are all discussions and decisions for the school leadership team.


                              -----Original Message-----
                              From: t <rg98765@...>
                              To: nyceducationnews <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:00 am
                              Subject: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results

                               
                              When the social welfare system and the mental-health nonexistent system is evaluated, they don't point fingers at the schools. The schools' job is to win with the team they're given. If a teacher didn't have 30 kids to teach reading to (when most parents won't even allow a play date with more than 1 guest), then they could do a better job. But they have to put their mouths where their union is and speak up individually and have some courage now and then. REFUSE to reach classes over class size limits. When teachers are standing up for students and telling principals, NO, I won't assign homework in Kindergarten; NO, I won't let you take the toys out of my kindergarten classroom, NO, I won't stop teaching cursive in second grade, NO, I won't allow you to cancel gym every day for my K-3 class, NO, I won't let you stop me from taking my class to the library once a week for instruction on its use and book check-out, NO, I won't let you show Sponge Bob in the cafeteria during lunch time, NO, I won't let you ban books from the auditorium... When school staff and teachers start doing all this, then maybe this parent will allow you to take your focus off your jobs and point your fingers at the rest of society. What's the excuse for the shoddy education our schools provide in high-income, high-literacy neighborhoods in Forest Hills? The kind of neighborhood where parents sit up late at night reading about how to better help their kids learn to read? We spend $30,000 on students in the high-achieving schools in America, so why should NYC only get $19,000 per student? We spend more than $30,000 a year on prisoners. Get the picture? --Vicki --- In mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com, calantjis@... wrote: > > The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norm Scott <normsco@...> > To: NYC Ed News <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:35 pm > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going. > What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap. > Norm > > Cheers, > Norm Scott > > Twitter: normscott1 > > Education Notes > ednotesonline.blogspot.com > > Grassroots Education Movement > gemnyc.org > > Education columnist, The Wave > http://www.rockawave.com/ > > nycfirst robotics > normsrobotics.blogspot.com > > Sent from my BlackBerry > From: calantjis@... > Sender: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:01:56 -0400 (EDT) > To: <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > ReplyTo: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@...> > To: calantjis <calantjis@...> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@...> > To: calantjis <calantjis@...> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. >
                            • Dave Best
                              To complain is to risk principles going after your children whom attend the school I ve seen this done numerous of times and most of the time the principles
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                                To complain is to risk principles going after your children whom attend the school I've seen this done numerous of times and most of the time the principles get away with it

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                                From: Erica Perez <jjlina09@...>;
                                To: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>;
                                Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
                                Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:02:22 PM

                                 

                                What do you do when a principal hires a parent as a para and she still sits on SLT as a parent and on the PA as Vice President? This information was never disclosed as she sat on SLT as a core member changing bylaws and signing a CEP that was never worked on. This info was also not disclosed when she spent and signed off on the Title 1 funds and spent money from the P.A. FUNDS. This is how underhanded it has become.

                                From: Lisa Donlan <lisabdonlnd an@...>
                                To: nyced newsgroup <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 2:30 PM
                                Subject: RE: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
                                 
                                I think you both raise an important problem and opportunity.
                                 While the laws governing SLTs and shared decision making have not changed since 1994, this autocratic administration has managed to by-pass and ignore them, just like every other law that interferes with their top-down "empowered principal as CEO" schema.

                                Parents make up 50% of each team by law.
                                 Principals have but one voice in this consensus-based body.
                                 Teachers and parents, should be selected to represent their constituencies by the PTA and chapter who elect them, respectively.

                                 Imagine if these team members came together united in their goals and priorities?
                                 How could even the most autocratic bullying principal override that unity and focus?

                                Yet, it is true that as the whole system is top down, controlling and punitive, principals often engage in a parallel process and treat families and staff in  the same way Tweed bullies and dictates to them.

                                 There is so much pressure to show positive metrics- test scores, basically, in the SQR and the Progress Report and the NYState Report Card and the Teacher Evaluations and Principal Evaluations that naturally the Comprehensive Educational Plan is not negotiated or determined by the Team. It is concocted out of the Principals' mandates as handed down from the Network Leaders or their bosses in the Clusters, or the district Superintendents or whoever plays the heavy for Tweed's playbook du jour.

                                And in fact, principals do control the budget.
                                And any and all information flows through them.

                                 But when Mayoral control of NYC schools was reauthorized by our Legislature up in Albany ( who seem not to care much about how things get implemented down here) safeguards w re added such that SLTs now can evaluate the principals' leadership on the SLT and the principals must justify their budget priorities in terms of how they reflects those goals outlined by the CEP, ( which is supposed, by law, to be written by the Team).


                                Have the Bosses at Tweed overreached beyond the law ( like in so many cases- districts and Sups to name a key deformation of the law)?
                                 Oh yes!
                                 Have most principals re enacted that overreaching in their schools?
                                 Yes indeed, again.
                                Do school communities participate in this abuse of power, albeit unwillingly, inadvertently or perhaps sometimes complicity?
                                 Yes, it would largely seem so.

                                So where is the opportunity?

                                Training on the rights and responsibilities of the SLT is a great place to start.*
                                 
                                The duty of the DLT to support, and even evaluate (every two years), their district SLTs is another.

                                 Filling out the Principals eval form in the addendum to A-655 is another.
                                 
                                Utilizing the form in the addendum to report to the Sup if the Principl fails to supprt the SLT's goals with appropraite budget is another.
                                 
                                Of course with school budgets slashed 14% over the last 4 years how could there be much discretionary spending for SLTs to appropriate?
                                 The Tweedies have not really empowered principals- more like yoked them via Management By Objective to their pet principles, mostly expressed through corrupt and flawed test scores, surveys and quality reviews, in the context of choice and competition and market efficiency.

                                it is my experience that, under Mayoral control, even the most open and horizontally-disposed school leaders do not have the mind share or the wiggle room to build and empower strong SLTs to enact consistent shared decision making.

                                 And that the most authoritative and unwelcoming school leaders are in fact severely under skilled, each human flaw and professional shortcoming magnified by the enormous demands put on their shoulders day after day as "accountability" won in exchange for control shifts down the line to the school level.


                                Let's hope the next Mayor gets briefed on the NYC governance laws and structure and helps SLTs to grow and flourish to make good on their collective promise to give parents, teachers ( and students in HS) a voice.

                                 The laws are already in place, like so many others that Tweed's legal team and henchmen have make a joke of.


                                Lisa


                                *The UFT Manhattan parent  outreach coordinator, Fran Streich has scheduled trainings on SLT rights and responsibilities several times a year: at monthly meetings, at the  twice-yearly borough conference and many other  times for individual schools or districts. ( Full disclosure- the DLT in D1 developed such a training for our SLTs and the D1 UFT District Rep and I usually deliver the trainings together).
                                To: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com From: calantjis@... Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 16:12:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results 
                                What are we doing about it? I have been an SLT advocate since 2004 and have found that parents and the UFT are not willing to speak out and fight for their rights in school governance through SLT's
                                Problems with the 1% spending of Title 1 funds can be addressed by the State and US Dept. of Education, which has offices in NYC.

                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: Erica Perez <jjlina09@...>
                                To: nyceducationnews <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 2:59 pm
                                Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results

                                 
                                Everyone always says that these are SLT based decisions. The reality is that the principal is given the final say on all decisions.  Even the parents cannot have control of the 1% of title 1 without the principal signing off on it. That is true dictatorship.
                                From: "calantjis@..." <calantjis@...>
                                To: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:23 AM
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                                These are all discussions and decisions for the school leadership team.


                                -----Original Message-----
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                                To: nyceducationnews <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:00 am
                                Subject: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results

                                 
                                When the social welfare system and the mental-health nonexistent system is evaluated, they don't point fingers at the schools. The schools' job is to win with the team they're given. If a teacher didn't have 30 kids to teach reading to (when most parents won't even allow a play date with more than 1 guest), then they could do a better job. But they have to put their mouths where their union is and speak up individually and have some courage now and then. REFUSE to reach classes over class size limits. When teachers are standing up for students and telling principals, NO, I won't assign homework in Kindergarten; NO, I won't let you take the toys out of my kindergarten classroom, NO, I won't stop teaching cursive in second grade, NO, I won't allow you to cancel gym every day for my K-3 class, NO, I won't let you stop me from taking my class to the library once a week for instruction on its use and book check-out, NO, I won't let you show Sponge Bob in the cafeteria during lunch time, NO, I won't let you ban books from the auditorium... When school staff and teachers start doing all this, then maybe this parent will allow you to take your focus off your jobs and point your fingers at the rest of society. What's the excuse for the shoddy education our schools provide in high-income, high-literacy neighborhoods in Forest Hills? The kind of neighborhood where parents sit up late at night reading about how to better help their kids learn to read? We spend $30,000 on students in the high-achieving schools in America, so why should NYC only get $19,000 per student? We spend more than $30,000 a year on prisoners. Get the picture? --Vicki --- In mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com, calantjis@... wrote: > > The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norm Scott <normsco@...> > To: NYC Ed News <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:35 pm > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going. > What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap. > Norm > > Cheers, > Norm Scott > > Twitter: normscott1 > > Education Notes > ednotesonline.blogspot.com > > Grassroots Education Movement > gemnyc.org > > Education columnist, The Wave > http://www.rockawave.com/ > > nycfirst robotics > normsrobotics.blogspot.com > > Sent from my BlackBerry > From: calantjis@... > Sender: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:01:56 -0400 (EDT) > To: <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > ReplyTo: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@...> > To: calantjis <calantjis@...> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@...> > To: calantjis <calantjis@...> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. >
                              • Lisa Donlan
                                Erika, That does sound like a conflict of interest: From the Regs ( A-655) Parents may file grievances regarding the election of parents to serve on the SLT in
                                Message 15 of 28 , Jul 16, 2013
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                                  Erika,
                                   That does sound like a conflict of interest:

                                  From the Regs ( A-655)


                                  Parents may file grievances regarding the election of parents to serve on the SLT in the 
                                  school their child attends within 7 school days of the election. (Page 9, Section XIV.A and B.) 


                                  Election of Parents and Staff: 
                                  To ensure that all members of the school community have the opportunity to be 
                                  included and to encourage broad participation on the SLT, parents and staff 
                                  must be elected by their own constituent groups in a fair and unbiased manner 
                                  determined by each constituent group, and all elections must be advertised 
                                  widely, with reasonable advance notice given. Elections must be open to all 
                                  members of the constituent group (e.g., PA/PTA, CSA, UFT, DC 37) and must 
                                  be held in accordance with the term limits as set forth in the team’s bylaws. 
                                  A minimum of ten calendar days’ notice is required prior to the PA/PTA’s 
                                  election of its SLT parent members. In the case of a PTA, only parent members 
                                  of the school’s association may vote to elect parent representatives for the SLT. 
                                  PA/PTAs are encouraged to stagger the terms of the non-mandatory parent 
                                  members of the SLT. 
                                  SLT elections must be held after the PA/PTA elections in the spring (see 
                                  Chancellor’s Regulation A-660). 
                                  b. Eligibility 
                                  i. Parents from the school are eligible to be elected by the school’s PA/PTA 
                                  to serve on the SLT. 
                                  Parents may not serve on the SLT as a parent member in schools in which 
                                  they are employed, but they may serve in other schools where they have a 
                                  child in attendance. 
                                  Parents may be elected to serve on more than one SLT as long as they 
                                  meet the requirements set forth in this regulation. 
                                  Parent members of the CEC (and in an election year, candidates for the 
                                  CEC) may serve as parent members of an SLT in the school their child 
                                  attends. 

                                  You might bring this concern to your DFA and Dist Sup, call 311 to complain and bring it to your Pres Council leaders, CEC  and DLT.


                                  Dave, I hear that that from parents a lot- that principals target students to get back at parents who are empowered.
                                  How can we stop that abuse of power and bullying and intimidation?
                                  What are some of the ways principals punish kids to get back at parents?
                                   Would our state or city electeds be the right place to bring these complaints?
                                   What about 311/ the DFA and Sup?

                                  I hope folks will write in w/ the kinds of tactics that are used to keep parents in fear, so we can try to come up w/ solutions.

                                  Lisa

                                  To: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com; jjlina09@...
                                  From: we_the_kids@...
                                  Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 15:19:36 -0700
                                  Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results

                                   

                                  To complain is to risk principles going after your children whom attend the school I've seen this done numerous of times and most of the time the principles get away with it

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                                  From: Erica Perez <jjlina09@...>;
                                  To: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>;
                                  Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
                                  Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:02:22 PM

                                   

                                  What do you do when a principal hires a parent as a para and she still sits on SLT as a parent and on the PA as Vice President? This information was never disclosed as she sat on SLT as a core member changing bylaws and signing a CEP that was never worked on. This info was also not disclosed when she spent and signed off on the Title 1 funds and spent money from the P.A. FUNDS. This is how underhanded it has become.

                                  From: Lisa Donlan <lisabdonlnd an@...>
                                  To: nyced newsgroup <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 2:30 PM
                                  Subject: RE: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
                                   
                                  I think you both raise an important problem and opportunity.
                                   While the laws governing SLTs and shared decision making have not changed since 1994, this autocratic administration has managed to by-pass and ignore them, just like every other law that interferes with their top-down "empowered principal as CEO" schema.

                                  Parents make up 50% of each team by law.
                                   Principals have but one voice in this consensus-based body.
                                   Teachers and parents, should be selected to represent their constituencies by the PTA and chapter who elect them, respectively.

                                   Imagine if these team members came together united in their goals and priorities?
                                   How could even the most autocratic bullying principal override that unity and focus?

                                  Yet, it is true that as the whole system is top down, controlling and punitive, principals often engage in a parallel process and treat families and staff in  the same way Tweed bullies and dictates to them.

                                   There is so much pressure to show positive metrics- test scores, basically, in the SQR and the Progress Report and the NYState Report Card and the Teacher Evaluations and Principal Evaluations that naturally the Comprehensive Educational Plan is not negotiated or determined by the Team. It is concocted out of the Principals' mandates as handed down from the Network Leaders or their bosses in the Clusters, or the district Superintendents or whoever plays the heavy for Tweed's playbook du jour.

                                  And in fact, principals do control the budget.
                                  And any and all information flows through them.

                                   But when Mayoral control of NYC schools was reauthorized by our Legislature up in Albany ( who seem not to care much about how things get implemented down here) safeguards w re added such that SLTs now can evaluate the principals' leadership on the SLT and the principals must justify their budget priorities in terms of how they reflects those goals outlined by the CEP, ( which is supposed, by law, to be written by the Team).


                                  Have the Bosses at Tweed overreached beyond the law ( like in so many cases- districts and Sups to name a key deformation of the law)?
                                   Oh yes!
                                   Have most principals re enacted that overreaching in their schools?
                                   Yes indeed, again.
                                  Do school communities participate in this abuse of power, albeit unwillingly, inadvertently or perhaps sometimes complicity?
                                   Yes, it would largely seem so.

                                  So where is the opportunity?

                                  Training on the rights and responsibilities of the SLT is a great place to start.*
                                   
                                  The duty of the DLT to support, and even evaluate (every two years), their district SLTs is another.

                                   Filling out the Principals eval form in the addendum to A-655 is another.
                                   
                                  Utilizing the form in the addendum to report to the Sup if the Principl fails to supprt the SLT's goals with appropraite budget is another.
                                   
                                  Of course with school budgets slashed 14% over the last 4 years how could there be much discretionary spending for SLTs to appropriate?
                                   The Tweedies have not really empowered principals- more like yoked them via Management By Objective to their pet principles, mostly expressed through corrupt and flawed test scores, surveys and quality reviews, in the context of choice and competition and market efficiency.

                                  it is my experience that, under Mayoral control, even the most open and horizontally-disposed school leaders do not have the mind share or the wiggle room to build and empower strong SLTs to enact consistent shared decision making.

                                   And that the most authoritative and unwelcoming school leaders are in fact severely under skilled, each human flaw and professional shortcoming magnified by the enormous demands put on their shoulders day after day as "accountability" won in exchange for control shifts down the line to the school level.


                                  Let's hope the next Mayor gets briefed on the NYC governance laws and structure and helps SLTs to grow and flourish to make good on their collective promise to give parents, teachers ( and students in HS) a voice.

                                   The laws are already in place, like so many others that Tweed's legal team and henchmen have make a joke of.


                                  Lisa


                                  *The UFT Manhattan parent  outreach coordinator, Fran Streich has scheduled trainings on SLT rights and responsibilities several times a year: at monthly meetings, at the  twice-yearly borough conference and many other  times for individual schools or districts. ( Full disclosure- the DLT in D1 developed such a training for our SLTs and the D1 UFT District Rep and I usually deliver the trainings together).
                                  To: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com From: calantjis@... Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 16:12:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results 
                                  What are we doing about it? I have been an SLT advocate since 2004 and have found that parents and the UFT are not willing to speak out and fight for their rights in school governance through SLT's
                                  Problems with the 1% spending of Title 1 funds can be addressed by the State and US Dept. of Education, which has offices in NYC.

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                                  Everyone always says that these are SLT based decisions. The reality is that the principal is given the final say on all decisions.  Even the parents cannot have control of the 1% of title 1 without the principal signing off on it. That is true dictatorship.
                                  From: "calantjis@..." <calantjis@...>
                                  To: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:23 AM
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                                  These are all discussions and decisions for the school leadership team.


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                                  From: t <rg98765@...>
                                  To: nyceducationnews <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:00 am
                                  Subject: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results

                                   
                                  When the social welfare system and the mental-health nonexistent system is evaluated, they don't point fingers at the schools. The schools' job is to win with the team they're given. If a teacher didn't have 30 kids to teach reading to (when most parents won't even allow a play date with more than 1 guest), then they could do a better job. But they have to put their mouths where their union is and speak up individually and have some courage now and then. REFUSE to reach classes over class size limits. When teachers are standing up for students and telling principals, NO, I won't assign homework in Kindergarten; NO, I won't let you take the toys out of my kindergarten classroom, NO, I won't stop teaching cursive in second grade, NO, I won't allow you to cancel gym every day for my K-3 class, NO, I won't let you stop me from taking my class to the library once a week for instruction on its use and book check-out, NO, I won't let you show Sponge Bob in the cafeteria during lunch time, NO, I won't let you ban books from the auditorium... When school staff and teachers start doing all this, then maybe this parent will allow you to take your focus off your jobs and point your fingers at the rest of society. What's the excuse for the shoddy education our schools provide in high-income, high-literacy neighborhoods in Forest Hills? The kind of neighborhood where parents sit up late at night reading about how to better help their kids learn to read? We spend $30,000 on students in the high-achieving schools in America, so why should NYC only get $19,000 per student? We spend more than $30,000 a year on prisoners. Get the picture? --Vicki --- In mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com, calantjis@... wrote: > > The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norm Scott <normsco@...> > To: NYC Ed News <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:35 pm > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going. > What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap. > Norm > > Cheers, > Norm Scott > > Twitter: normscott1 > > Education Notes > ednotesonline.blogspot.com > > Grassroots Education Movement > gemnyc.org > > Education columnist, The Wave > http://www.rockawave.com/ > > nycfirst robotics > normsrobotics.blogspot.com > > Sent from my BlackBerry > From: calantjis@... > Sender: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:01:56 -0400 (EDT) > To: <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > ReplyTo: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@...> > To: calantjis <calantjis@...> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@...> > To: calantjis <calantjis@...> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. >

                                • t
                                  Incorrect. Your post is a red herring. The principals are given budgets that are way too small to begin with. AT PS 101 in Queens, 92% of the budget went
                                  Message 16 of 28 , Jul 17, 2013
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                                    Incorrect.
                                    Your post is a red herring.
                                    The principals are given budgets that are way too small to begin with.
                                    AT PS 101 in Queens, 92% of the budget went directly to salaries. If the principal had wanted to spend more on teachers to reduce class size, she would have had to hold those classes in the hallway and cut toilet paper.
                                    Which had already been cut so stringently that the kindergartners weren't wiping for a while and one developed a health problem because of it.
                                    --Vicki
                                    --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, calantjis@... wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Remember, the principal makes the decisions on how the budget is spent and then sells the staff to try to justify it, placing blame elsewhere, on programs or activities, he/she decided to cut.This is why the budget should be transparent and available for discussion and input, particularly by the SLT. The priorities for spending should come from the school community and not the principal only.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > -----Original Message-----
                                    > From: t <rg98765@...>
                                    > To: nyceducationnews <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:53 am
                                    > Subject: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > If the schools don't need more money, then how come I was told my daughter had to be in a class of 30 kindergarten children with 1 teacher because there wasn't enough money?
                                    > That fun science lab experiments were cut for Kindergarten starting in 2010 in our school because there wasn't enough money?
                                    > That they had to watch Sponge Bob during recess instead of having aides lead recreational activities because there wasn't enough money?
                                    > That they couldn't obey the law on how much gym time was to be given because there wasn't enough money?
                                    > That they couldn't have children visit a school library with a circulating book collection because there wasn't enough money?
                                    > We need more money and we need to transfer some of the money being used on garbage to "real" school activities.
                                    > --Vicki
                                    >
                                    > --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, calantjis@ wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > -----Original Message-----
                                    > > From: calantjis <calantjis@>
                                    > > To: calantjis <calantjis@>
                                    > > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm
                                    > > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in.
                                    > > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer.
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > I thought you'd like this:
                                    > > http://fw.to/osqDsKl
                                    > >
                                    > > School spending spree shows mixed results
                                    > > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â€" but bigger bucks haven’t always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show.
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > To unsubscribe click here.
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                                  • t
                                    With all due respect, says who? These are all discussions and decisions for the citizens of the City of New York. That s MY tax money you re talking about.
                                    Message 17 of 28 , Jul 17, 2013
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                                      With all due respect, says who?
                                      These are all discussions and decisions for the citizens of the City of New York.
                                      That's MY tax money you're talking about.
                                      This is MY government you're talking about.
                                      This is MY child and MY neighbors and the adults that will in the future live in MY community.
                                      These are all discussions and decisions that citizens need to reclaim from the people who have overstepped their boundaries and usurped too much power.
                                      --Vicki

                                      --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, calantjis@... wrote:
                                      >
                                      > These are all discussions and decisions for the school leadership team.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > -----Original Message-----
                                      > From: t <rg98765@...>
                                      > To: nyceducationnews <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                                      > Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:00 am
                                      > Subject: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > When the social welfare system and the mental-health nonexistent system is evaluated, they don't point fingers at the schools.
                                      > The schools' job is to win with the team they're given. If a teacher didn't have 30 kids to teach reading to (when most parents won't even allow a play date with more than 1 guest), then they could do a better job.
                                      > But they have to put their mouths where their union is and speak up individually and have some courage now and then. REFUSE to reach classes over class size limits.
                                      > When teachers are standing up for students and telling principals, NO, I won't assign homework in Kindergarten;
                                      > NO, I won't let you take the toys out of my kindergarten classroom,
                                      > NO, I won't stop teaching cursive in second grade,
                                      > NO, I won't allow you to cancel gym every day for my K-3 class,
                                      > NO, I won't let you stop me from taking my class to the library once a week for instruction on its use and book check-out,
                                      > NO, I won't let you show Sponge Bob in the cafeteria during lunch time,
                                      > NO, I won't let you ban books from the auditorium...
                                      > When school staff and teachers start doing all this, then maybe this parent will allow you to take your focus off your jobs and point your fingers at the rest of society.
                                      > What's the excuse for the shoddy education our schools provide in high-income, high-literacy neighborhoods in Forest Hills? The kind of neighborhood where parents sit up late at night reading about how to better help their kids learn to read?
                                      > We spend $30,000 on students in the high-achieving schools in America, so why should NYC only get $19,000 per student?
                                      > We spend more than $30,000 a year on prisoners. Get the picture? --Vicki
                                      >
                                      > --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, calantjis@ wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > -----Original Message-----
                                      > > From: Norm Scott <normsco@>
                                      > > To: NYC Ed News <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:35 pm
                                      > > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going.
                                      > > What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap.
                                      > > Norm
                                      > >
                                      > > Cheers,
                                      > > Norm Scott
                                      > >
                                      > > Twitter: normscott1
                                      > >
                                      > > Education Notes
                                      > > ednotesonline.blogspot.com
                                      > >
                                      > > Grassroots Education Movement
                                      > > gemnyc.org
                                      > >
                                      > > Education columnist, The Wave
                                      > > www.rockawave.com
                                      > >
                                      > > nycfirst robotics
                                      > > normsrobotics.blogspot.com
                                      > >
                                      > > Sent from my BlackBerry
                                      > > From: calantjis@
                                      > > Sender: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:01:56 -0400 (EDT)
                                      > > To: <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > ReplyTo: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > Subject: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > -----Original Message-----
                                      > > From: calantjis <calantjis@>
                                      > > To: calantjis <calantjis@>
                                      > > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm
                                      > > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in.
                                      > > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > I thought you'd like this:
                                      > > http://fw.to/osqDsKl
                                      > >
                                      > > School spending spree shows mixed results
                                      > > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â€" but bigger bucks haven’t always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > To unsubscribe click here.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > -----Original Message-----
                                      > > From: calantjis <calantjis@>
                                      > > To: calantjis <calantjis@>
                                      > > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm
                                      > > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in.
                                      > > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > I thought you'd like this:
                                      > > http://fw.to/osqDsKl
                                      > >
                                      > > School spending spree shows mixed results
                                      > > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â€" but bigger bucks haven’t always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
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                                    • t
                                      True as far as it goes, which isn t very far. Even in non-Title 1 schools, the principal has control over the Two Cents they give each school in the budget. We
                                      Message 18 of 28 , Jul 17, 2013
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                                        True as far as it goes, which isn't very far.
                                        Even in non-Title 1 schools, the principal has control over the Two Cents they give each school in the budget.
                                        We need to have the same rights as the rest of New York State. We need to demand that our local tax money goes to our local schools, as it does in the rest of the state.
                                        --Vicki

                                        --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, Erica Perez <jjlina09@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Everyone always says that these are SLT based decisions. The reality is that the principal is given the final say on all decisions.  Even the parents cannot have control of the 1% of title 1 without the principal signing off on it. That is true dictatorship.
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ________________________________
                                        > From: "calantjis@..." <calantjis@...>
                                        > To: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:23 AM
                                        > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
                                        >
                                        >  
                                        >
                                        > These are all discussions and decisions for the school leadership team.
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > -----Original Message-----
                                        > From: t <rg98765@...>
                                        > To: nyceducationnews <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                                        > Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:00 am
                                        > Subject: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >  
                                        > When the social welfare system and the mental-health nonexistent system is evaluated, they don't point fingers at the schools. The schools' job is to win with the team they're given. If a teacher didn't have 30 kids to teach reading to (when most parents won't even allow a play date with more than 1 guest), then they could do a better job. But they have to put their mouths where their union is and speak up individually and have some courage now and then. REFUSE to reach classes over class size limits. When teachers are standing up for students and telling principals, NO, I won't assign homework in Kindergarten; NO, I won't let you take the toys out of my kindergarten classroom, NO, I won't stop teaching cursive in second grade, NO, I won't allow you to cancel gym every day for my K-3 class, NO, I won't let you stop me from taking my class to the library once a week for instruction on its use and book check-out, NO, I won't let you show Sponge Bob in the
                                        > cafeteria during lunch time, NO, I won't let you ban books from the auditorium... When school staff and teachers start doing all this, then maybe this parent will allow you to take your focus off your jobs and point your fingers at the rest of society. What's the excuse for the shoddy education our schools provide in high-income, high-literacy neighborhoods in Forest Hills? The kind of neighborhood where parents sit up late at night reading about how to better help their kids learn to read? We spend $30,000 on students in the high-achieving schools in America, so why should NYC only get $19,000 per student? We spend more than $30,000 a year on prisoners. Get the picture? --Vicki --- In mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com, calantjis@ wrote: > > The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is
                                        > more deeply rooted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norm Scott <normsco@> > To: NYC Ed News <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:35 pm > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going. > What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap. > Norm > > Cheers, > Norm Scott > > Twitter: normscott1 > > Education Notes > ednotesonline.blogspot.com > > Grassroots Education Movement > gemnyc.org > > Education columnist, The Wave > http://www.rockawave.com/ > > nycfirst robotics > normsrobotics.blogspot.com > > Sent from my BlackBerry > From: calantjis@ > Sender: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013
                                        > 13:01:56 -0400 (EDT) > To: <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > ReplyTo: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@> > To: calantjis <calantjis@> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To
                                        > unsubscribe click here. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@> > To: calantjis <calantjis@> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. >
                                        >
                                      • t
                                        I have found the same thing. It is partly a stress issue during the recession - parents simply need to focus entirely on keeping their jobs. The other part is
                                        Message 19 of 28 , Jul 17, 2013
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                                          I have found the same thing. It is partly a stress issue during the recession - parents simply need to focus entirely on keeping their jobs.
                                          The other part is an education issue. The lack of civics classes was intentional -- the less people know about how their government works, the less likely they are to get involved and the more free reign will be given to autocrats, politicians, corporations and those who do get actively involved.
                                          It's the same thing with the media -- the lack of true news and the proliferation of gossip and entertainment news is meant to keep people less informed.
                                          --Vicki

                                          --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, calantjis@... wrote:
                                          >
                                          > What are we doing about it? I have been an SLT advocate since 2004 and have found that parents and the UFT are not willing to speak out and fight for their rights in school governance through SLT's
                                          > Problems with the 1% spending of Title 1 funds can be addressed by the State and US Dept. of Education, which has offices in NYC.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > -----Original Message-----
                                          > From: Erica Perez <jjlina09@...>
                                          > To: nyceducationnews <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                                          > Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 2:59 pm
                                          > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Everyone always says that these are SLT based decisions. The reality is that the principal is given the final say on all decisions. Even the parents cannot have control of the 1% of title 1 without the principal signing off on it. That is true dictatorship.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > From: "calantjis@..." <calantjis@...>
                                          > To: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:23 AM
                                          > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > These are all discussions and decisions for the school leadership team.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > -----Original Message-----
                                          > From: t <rg98765@...>
                                          > To: nyceducationnews <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                                          > Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:00 am
                                          > Subject: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
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                                          > When the social welfare system and the mental-health nonexistent system is evaluated, they don't point fingers at the schools. The schools' job is to win with the team they're given. If a teacher didn't have 30 kids to teach reading to (when most parents won't even allow a play date with more than 1 guest), then they could do a better job. But they have to put their mouths where their union is and speak up individually and have some courage now and then. REFUSE to reach classes over class size limits. When teachers are standing up for students and telling principals, NO, I won't assign homework in Kindergarten; NO, I won't let you take the toys out of my kindergarten classroom, NO, I won't stop teaching cursive in second grade, NO, I won't allow you to cancel gym every day for my K-3 class, NO, I won't let you stop me from taking my class to the library once a week for instruction on its use and book check-out, NO, I won't let you show Sponge Bob in the cafeteria during lunch time, NO, I won't let you ban books from the auditorium... When school staff and teachers start doing all this, then maybe this parent will allow you to take your focus off your jobs and point your fingers at the rest of society. What's the excuse for the shoddy education our schools provide in high-income, high-literacy neighborhoods in Forest Hills? The kind of neighborhood where parents sit up late at night reading about how to better help their kids learn to read? We spend $30,000 on students in the high-achieving schools in America, so why should NYC only get $19,000 per student? We spend more than $30,000 a year on prisoners. Get the picture? --Vicki --- In mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com, calantjis@ wrote: > > The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norm Scott <normsco@> > To: NYC Ed News <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:35 pm > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going. > What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap. > Norm > > Cheers, > Norm Scott > > Twitter: normscott1 > > Education Notes > ednotesonline.blogspot.com > > Grassroots Education Movement > gemnyc.org > > Education columnist, The Wave > http://www.rockawave.com/ > > nycfirst robotics > normsrobotics.blogspot.com > > Sent from my BlackBerry > From: calantjis@ > Sender: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:01:56 -0400 (EDT) > To: <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > ReplyTo: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@> > To: calantjis <calantjis@> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@> > To: calantjis <calantjis@> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. >
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                                          Take a closer look -- parents don t make up 50% of the SLT. They make up 50% of what s left over after the principal and several other staffers are put on the
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                                            Take a closer look -- parents don't make up 50% of the SLT. They make up 50% of what's left over after the principal and several other staffers are put on the SLT. --Vicki

                                            --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, Lisa Donlan <lisabdonlan@...> wrote:
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                                            > I think you both raise an important problem and opportunity.
                                            > While the laws governing SLTs and shared decision making have not changed since 1994, this autocratic administration has managed to by-pass and ignore them, just like every other law that interferes with their top-down "empowered principal as CEO" schema.
                                            > Parents make up 50% of each team by law. Principals have but one voice in this consensus-based body. Teachers and parents, should be selected to represent their constituencies by the PTA and chapter who elect them, respectively.
                                            > Imagine if these team members came together united in their goals and priorities? How could even the most autocratic bullying principal override that unity and focus?
                                            > Yet, it is true that as the whole system is top down, controlling and punitive, principals often engage in a parallel process and treat families and staff in the same way Tweed bullies and dictates to them.
                                            > There is so much pressure to show positive metrics- test scores, basically, in the SQR and the Progress Report and the NYState Report Card and the Teacher Evaluations and Principal Evaluations that naturally the Comprehensive Educational Plan is not negotiated or determined by the Team. It is concocted out of the Principals' mandates as handed down from the Network Leaders or their bosses in the Clusters, or the district Superintendents or whoever plays the heavy for Tweed's playbook du jour.
                                            > And in fact, principals do control the budget.And any and all information flows through them.
                                            > But when Mayoral control of NYC schools was reauthorized by our Legislature up in Albany ( who seem not to care much about how things get implemented down here) safeguards w re added such that SLTs now can evaluate the principals' leadership on the SLT and the principals must justify their budget priorities in terms of how they reflects those goals outlined by the CEP, ( which is supposed, by law, to be written by the Team).
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                                            > Have the Bosses at Tweed overreached beyond the law ( like in so many cases- districts and Sups to name a key deformation of the law)? Oh yes! Have most principals re enacted that overreaching in their schools? Yes indeed, again.Do school communities participate in this abuse of power, albeit unwillingly, inadvertently or perhaps sometimes complicity? Yes, it would largely seem so.
                                            > So where is the opportunity?
                                            > Training on the rights and responsibilities of the SLT is a great place to start.* The duty of the DLT to support, and even evaluate (every two years), their district SLTs is another.
                                            > Filling out the Principals eval form in the addendum to A-655 is another. Utilizing the form in the addendum to report to the Sup if the Principl fails to supprt the SLT's goals with appropraite budget is another. Of course with school budgets slashed 14% over the last 4 years how could there be much discretionary spending for SLTs to appropriate? The Tweedies have not really empowered principals- more like yoked them via Management By Objective to their pet principles, mostly expressed through corrupt and flawed test scores, surveys and quality reviews, in the context of choice and competition and market efficiency.
                                            > it is my experience that, under Mayoral control, even the most open and horizontally-disposed school leaders do not have the mind share or the wiggle room to build and empower strong SLTs to enact consistent shared decision making.
                                            > And that the most authoritative and unwelcoming school leaders are in fact severely under skilled, each human flaw and professional shortcoming magnified by the enormous demands put on their shoulders day after day as "accountability" won in exchange for control shifts down the line to the school level.
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                                            > Let's hope the next Mayor gets briefed on the NYC governance laws and structure and helps SLTs to grow and flourish to make good on their collective promise to give parents, teachers ( and students in HS) a voice.
                                            > The laws are already in place, like so many others that Tweed's legal team and henchmen have make a joke of.
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                                            > *The UFT Manhattan parent outreach coordinator, Fran Streich has scheduled trainings on SLT rights and responsibilities several times a year: at monthly meetings, at the twice-yearly borough conference and many other times for individual schools or districts. ( Full disclosure- the DLT in D1 developed such a training for our SLTs and the D1 UFT District Rep and I usually deliver the trainings together).
                                            > To: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com
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                                            > When the social welfare system and the mental-health nonexistent system is evaluated, they don't point fingers at the schools. The schools' job is to win with the team they're given. If a teacher didn't have 30 kids to teach reading to (when most parents won't even allow a play date with more than 1 guest), then they could do a better job. But they have to put their mouths where their union is and speak up individually and have some courage now and then. REFUSE to reach classes over class size limits. When teachers are standing up for students and telling principals, NO, I won't assign homework in Kindergarten; NO, I won't let you take the toys out of my kindergarten classroom, NO, I won't stop teaching cursive in second grade, NO, I won't allow you to cancel gym every day for my K-3 class, NO, I won't let you stop me from taking my class to the library once a week for instruction on its use and book check-out, NO, I won't let you show Sponge Bob in the cafeteria during lunch time, NO, I won't let you ban books from the auditorium... When school staff and teachers start doing all this, then maybe this parent will allow you to take your focus off your jobs and point your fingers at the rest of society. What's the excuse for the shoddy education our schools provide in high-income, high-literacy neighborhoods in Forest Hills? The kind of neighborhood where parents sit up late at night reading about how to better help their kids learn to read? We spend $30,000 on students in the high-achieving schools in America, so why should NYC only get $19,000 per student? We spend more than $30,000 a year on prisoners. Get the picture? --Vicki --- In mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com, calantjis@ wrote: > > The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norm Scott <normsco@> > To: NYC Ed News <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:35 pm > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going. > What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap. > Norm > > Cheers, > Norm Scott > > Twitter: normscott1 > > Education Notes > ednotesonline.blogspot.com > > Grassroots Education Movement > gemnyc.org > > Education columnist, The Wave > http://www.rockawave.com/ > > nycfirst robotics > normsrobotics.blogspot.com > > Sent from my BlackBerry > From: calantjis@ > Sender: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:01:56 -0400 (EDT) > To: <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > ReplyTo: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@> > To: calantjis <calantjis@> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@> > To: calantjis <calantjis@> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. >
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                                            You can spend the rest of your life fighting this garbage. Get rid of the SLTs and get real school boards elected locally. Get rid of the NYC public education
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                                              You can spend the rest of your life fighting this garbage.

                                              Get rid of the SLTs and get real school boards elected locally.

                                              Get rid of the NYC public education system and create a school system for each county.

                                              --Vicki

                                              --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, Lisa Donlan <lisabdonlan@...> wrote:
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                                              > Erika, That does sound like a conflict of interest:
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                                              > Election of Parents and Staff: To ensure that all members of the school community have the opportunity to be included and to encourage broad participation on the SLT, parents and staff must be elected by their own constituent groups in a fair and unbiased manner determined by each constituent group, and all elections must be advertised widely, with reasonable advance notice given. Elections must be open to all members of the constituent group (e.g., PA/PTA, CSA, UFT, DC 37) and must be held in accordance with the term limits as set forth in the team's bylaws. A minimum of ten calendar days' notice is required prior to the PA/PTA's election of its SLT parent members. In the case of a PTA, only parent members of the school's association may vote to elect parent representatives for the SLT. PA/PTAs are encouraged to stagger the terms of the non-mandatory parent members of the SLT. SLT elections must be held after the PA/PTA elections in the spring (see Chancellor's Regulation A-660). b. Eligibility i. Parents from the school are eligible to be elected by the school's PA/PTA to serve on the SLT. Parents may not serve on the SLT as a parent member in schools in which they are employed, but they may serve in other schools where they have a child in attendance. Parents may be elected to serve on more than one SLT as long as they meet the requirements set forth in this regulation. Parent members of the CEC (and in an election year, candidates for the CEC) may serve as parent members of an SLT in the school their child attends.
                                              > You might bring this concern to your DFA and Dist Sup, call 311 to complain and bring it to your Pres Council leaders, CEC and DLT.
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                                              > Dave, I hear that that from parents a lot- that principals target students to get back at parents who are empowered.How can we stop that abuse of power and bullying and intimidation?What are some of the ways principals punish kids to get back at parents? Would our state or city electeds be the right place to bring these complaints? What about 311/ the DFA and Sup?
                                              > I hope folks will write in w/ the kinds of tactics that are used to keep parents in fear, so we can try to come up w/ solutions.
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                                              > I think you both raise an important problem and opportunity. While the laws governing SLTs and shared decision making have not changed since 1994, this autocratic administration has managed to by-pass and ignore them, just like every other law that interferes with their top-down "empowered principal as CEO" schema.
                                              > Parents make up 50% of each team by law. Principals have but one voice in this consensus-based body. Teachers and parents, should be selected to represent their constituencies by the PTA and chapter who elect them, respectively.
                                              > Imagine if these team members came together united in their goals and priorities? How could even the most autocratic bullying principal override that unity and focus?
                                              > Yet, it is true that as the whole system is top down,
                                              > controlling and punitive, principals often engage in a parallel process and treat families and staff in the same way Tweed bullies and dictates to them.
                                              > There is so much pressure to show positive metrics- test scores, basically, in the SQR and the Progress Report and the NYState Report Card and the Teacher Evaluations and Principal Evaluations that naturally the Comprehensive Educational Plan is not negotiated or determined by the Team. It is concocted out of the Principals' mandates as handed down from the Network Leaders or their bosses in the Clusters, or the district Superintendents or whoever plays the heavy for Tweed's playbook du jour.
                                              > And in fact, principals do control the budget.And any and all information flows through them.
                                              > But when Mayoral control of NYC schools was reauthorized by our Legislature up in Albany ( who seem not to
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                                              > about how things get implemented down here) safeguards w re added such that SLTs now can evaluate the principals' leadership on the SLT and the principals must justify their budget priorities in terms of how they reflects those goals outlined by the CEP, ( which is supposed, by law, to be written by the Team).
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                                              > Have the Bosses at Tweed overreached beyond the law ( like in so many cases- districts and Sups to name a key deformation of the law)? Oh yes! Have most principals re enacted that overreaching in their schools? Yes indeed, again.Do school communities participate in this abuse of power, albeit unwillingly, inadvertently or perhaps sometimes complicity? Yes, it would largely seem so.
                                              > So where is the opportunity?
                                              > Training on the rights and responsibilities of the SLT is a great place
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                                              > start.* The duty of the DLT to support, and even evaluate (every two years), their district SLTs is another.
                                              > Filling out the Principals eval form in the addendum to A-655 is another. Utilizing the form in the addendum to report to the Sup if the Principl fails to supprt the SLT's goals with appropraite budget is another. Of course with school budgets slashed 14% over the last 4 years how could there be much discretionary spending for SLTs to appropriate? The Tweedies have not really empowered principals- more like yoked them via Management By Objective to their pet principles, mostly expressed through corrupt and flawed test scores, surveys and quality reviews, in the context of choice and competition and market efficiency.
                                              > it is my experience that, under Mayoral control, even the most open and
                                              > horizontally-disposed school leaders do not have the mind share or the wiggle room to build and empower strong SLTs to enact consistent shared decision making.
                                              > And that the most authoritative and unwelcoming school leaders are in fact severely under skilled, each human flaw and professional shortcoming magnified by the enormous demands put on their shoulders day after day as "accountability" won in exchange for control shifts down the line to the school level.
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                                              > Let's hope the next Mayor gets briefed on the NYC governance laws and structure and helps SLTs to grow and flourish to make good on their collective promise to give parents, teachers ( and students in HS) a voice.
                                              > The laws are already in place, like so many others that Tweed's legal team and henchmen have make a joke
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                                              > Lisa
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                                              > *The UFT Manhattan parent outreach coordinator, Fran Streich has scheduled trainings on SLT rights and responsibilities several times a year: at monthly meetings, at the twice-yearly borough conference and many other times for individual schools or districts. ( Full disclosure- the DLT in D1 developed such a training for our SLTs and the D1 UFT District Rep and I usually deliver the trainings together).
                                              > To: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com From: calantjis@... Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 16:12:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
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                                              > the cafeteria during lunch time, NO, I won't let you ban books from the auditorium... When school staff and teachers start doing all this, then maybe this parent will allow you to take your focus off your jobs and point your fingers at the rest of society. What's the excuse for the shoddy education our schools provide in high-income, high-literacy neighborhoods in Forest Hills? The kind of neighborhood where parents sit up late at night reading about how to better help their kids learn to read? We spend $30,000 on students in the high-achieving schools in America, so why should NYC only get $19,000 per student? We spend more than $30,000 a year on prisoners. Get the picture? --Vicki --- In mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com, calantjis@ wrote: > > The spending given is per student and goes to the
                                              > schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norm Scott <normsco@> > To: NYC Ed News <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:35 pm > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going. > What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap. > Norm > > Cheers, > Norm Scott > > Twitter:
                                              > normscott1 > > Education Notes > ednotesonline.blogspot.com > > Grassroots Education Movement > gemnyc.org > > Education columnist, The Wave > http://www.rockawave.com/ > > nycfirst robotics > normsrobotics.blogspot.com > > Sent from my BlackBerry > From: calantjis@ > Sender: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:01:56 -0400 (EDT) > To: <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > ReplyTo: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Subject:
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                                            • Lisa Donlan
                                              I am pretty sure that SLTs= 50% parents. All staff, including principals make up the other half.Principals count as staff, not as a plus one .If you have info
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                                                I am pretty sure that SLTs= 50% parents.
                                                 All staff, including principals make up the other half.
                                                Principals count as staff, not as a "plus one".
                                                If you have info to the contrary please let me know- I'd like to follow up.
                                                Thanks,

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                                                All SLTs should have a minimum of ten members and a maximum of 17 members. In 
                                                determining the size of the team, budget allocations must be considered. 
                                                B. Mandatory Members 
                                                The only three mandatory members of the SLT are the school’s principal, the Parent 
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                                                number of parents and staff. 

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                                                Subject: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results

                                                 
                                                Take a closer look -- parents don't make up 50% of the SLT. They make up 50% of what's left over after the principal and several other staffers are put on the SLT. --Vicki

                                                --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, Lisa Donlan <lisabdonlan@...> wrote:
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                                                > I think you both raise an important problem and opportunity.
                                                > While the laws governing SLTs and shared decision making have not changed since 1994, this autocratic administration has managed to by-pass and ignore them, just like every other law that interferes with their top-down "empowered principal as CEO" schema.
                                                > Parents make up 50% of each team by law. Principals have but one voice in this consensus-based body. Teachers and parents, should be selected to represent their constituencies by the PTA and chapter who elect them, respectively.
                                                > Imagine if these team members came together united in their goals and priorities? How could even the most autocratic bullying principal override that unity and focus?
                                                > Yet, it is true that as the whole system is top down, controlling and punitive, principals often engage in a parallel process and treat families and staff in the same way Tweed bullies and dictates to them.
                                                > There is so much pressure to show positive metrics- test scores, basically, in the SQR and the Progress Report and the NYState Report Card and the Teacher Evaluations and Principal Evaluations that naturally the Comprehensive Educational Plan is not negotiated or determined by the Team. It is concocted out of the Principals' mandates as handed down from the Network Leaders or their bosses in the Clusters, or the district Superintendents or whoever plays the heavy for Tweed's playbook du jour.
                                                > And in fact, principals do control the budget.And any and all information flows through them.
                                                > But when Mayoral control of NYC schools was reauthorized by our Legislature up in Albany ( who seem not to care much about how things get implemented down here) safeguards w re added such that SLTs now can evaluate the principals' leadership on the SLT and the principals must justify their budget priorities in terms of how they reflects those goals outlined by the CEP, ( which is supposed, by law, to be written by the Team).
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                                                > Have the Bosses at Tweed overreached beyond the law ( like in so many cases- districts and Sups to name a key deformation of the law)? Oh yes! Have most principals re enacted that overreaching in their schools? Yes indeed, again.Do school communities participate in this abuse of power, albeit unwillingly, inadvertently or perhaps sometimes complicity? Yes, it would largely seem so.
                                                > So where is the opportunity?
                                                > Training on the rights and responsibilities of the SLT is a great place to start.* The duty of the DLT to support, and even evaluate (every two years), their district SLTs is another.
                                                > Filling out the Principals eval form in the addendum to A-655 is another. Utilizing the form in the addendum to report to the Sup if the Principl fails to supprt the SLT's goals with appropraite budget is another. Of course with school budgets slashed 14% over the last 4 years how could there be much discretionary spending for SLTs to appropriate? The Tweedies have not really empowered principals- more like yoked them via Management By Objective to their pet principles, mostly expressed through corrupt and flawed test scores, surveys and quality reviews, in the context of choice and competition and market efficiency.
                                                > it is my experience that, under Mayoral control, even the most open and horizontally-disposed school leaders do not have the mind share or the wiggle room to build and empower strong SLTs to enact consistent shared decision making.
                                                > And that the most authoritative and unwelcoming school leaders are in fact severely under skilled, each human flaw and professional shortcoming magnified by the enormous demands put on their shoulders day after day as "accountability" won in exchange for control shifts down the line to the school level.
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                                                > Let's hope the next Mayor gets briefed on the NYC governance laws and structure and helps SLTs to grow and flourish to make good on their collective promise to give parents, teachers ( and students in HS) a voice.
                                                > The laws are already in place, like so many others that Tweed's legal team and henchmen have make a joke of.
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                                                > *The UFT Manhattan parent outreach coordinator, Fran Streich has scheduled trainings on SLT rights and responsibilities several times a year: at monthly meetings, at the twice-yearly borough conference and many other times for individual schools or districts. ( Full disclosure- the DLT in D1 developed such a training for our SLTs and the D1 UFT District Rep and I usually deliver the trainings together).
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                                                > When the social welfare system and the mental-health nonexistent system is evaluated, they don't point fingers at the schools. The schools' job is to win with the team they're given. If a teacher didn't have 30 kids to teach reading to (when most parents won't even allow a play date with more than 1 guest), then they could do a better job. But they have to put their mouths where their union is and speak up individually and have some courage now and then. REFUSE to reach classes over class size limits. When teachers are standing up for students and telling principals, NO, I won't assign homework in Kindergarten; NO, I won't let you take the toys out of my kindergarten classroom, NO, I won't stop teaching cursive in second grade, NO, I won't allow you to cancel gym every day for my K-3 class, NO, I won't let you stop me from taking my class to the library once a week for instruction on its use and book check-out, NO, I won't let you show Sponge Bob in the cafeteria during lunch time, NO, I won't let you ban books from the auditorium... When school staff and teachers start doing all this, then maybe this parent will allow you to take your focus off your jobs and point your fingers at the rest of society. What's the excuse for the shoddy education our schools provide in high-income, high-literacy neighborhoods in Forest Hills? The kind of neighborhood where parents sit up late at night reading about how to better help their kids learn to read? We spend $30,000 on students in the high-achieving schools in America, so why should NYC only get $19,000 per student? We spend more than $30,000 a year on prisoners. Get the picture? --Vicki --- In mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com, calantjis@ wrote: > > The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norm Scott <normsco@> > To: NYC Ed News <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:35 pm > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going. > What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap. > Norm > > Cheers, > Norm Scott > > Twitter: normscott1 > > Education Notes > ednotesonline.blogspot.com > > Grassroots Education Movement > gemnyc.org > > Education columnist, The Wave > http://www.rockawave.com/ > > nycfirst robotics > normsrobotics.blogspot.com > > Sent from my BlackBerry > From: calantjis@ > Sender: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:01:56 -0400 (EDT) > To: <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > ReplyTo: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@> > To: calantjis <calantjis@> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@> > To: calantjis <calantjis@> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. >
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                                              • jcalant
                                                They would like you to believe this. Have you analyzed your school budget, including allocations and spending? The entire budget is discretionary, except some
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                                                  They would like you to believe this. Have you analyzed your school budget, including allocations and spending? The entire budget is discretionary, except some mandated State and federal funds.Decisions have to be made about personnel. Do we need all the Assistant Principals? Can we do with less deans? Do we need the per session and comp time positions?There is a school in Astoria called Baccalaureate HS for Global Issues where the decision was made not to have any APs.The money goes for instructional needs I am told.
                                                   

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                                                  To: nyceducationnews <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 12:06 pm
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                                                  Incorrect.
                                                  Your post is a red herring.
                                                  The principals are given budgets that are way too small to begin with.
                                                  AT PS 101 in Queens, 92% of the budget went directly to salaries. If the principal had wanted to spend more on teachers to reduce class size, she would have had to hold those classes in the hallway and cut toilet paper.
                                                  Which had already been cut so stringently that the kindergartners weren't wiping for a while and one developed a health problem because of it.
                                                  --Vicki
                                                  --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, calantjis@... wrote:
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                                                  > Remember, the principal makes the decisions on how the budget is spent and then sells the staff to try to justify it, placing blame elsewhere, on programs or activities, he/she decided to cut.This is why the budget should be transparent and available for discussion and input, particularly by the SLT. The priorities for spending should come from the school community and not the principal only.
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                                                  > If the schools don't need more money, then how come I was told my daughter had to be in a class of 30 kindergarten children with 1 teacher because there wasn't enough money?
                                                  > That fun science lab experiments were cut for Kindergarten starting in 2010 in our school because there wasn't enough money?
                                                  > That they had to watch Sponge Bob during recess instead of having aides lead recreational activities because there wasn't enough money?
                                                  > That they couldn't obey the law on how much gym time was to be given because there wasn't enough money?
                                                  > That they couldn't have children visit a school library with a circulating book collection because there wasn't enough money?
                                                  > We need more money and we need to transfer some of the money being used on garbage to "real" school activities.
                                                  > --Vicki
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                                                • t
                                                  Okay, cut both APS and bring back a science teacher and add two kindergarten teachers. Where will the extra classrooms come from? Our schools are still given
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                                                    Okay, cut both APS and bring back a science teacher and add two kindergarten teachers.

                                                    Where will the extra classrooms come from? Our schools are still given more than 600 students, for example, in buildings designed for 400 children.

                                                    There were already 4 kindergarten classes of 26 - 30 children each, but only 2 classrooms designed for Kindergarten.

                                                    The fact that 2 of these classes had to be shoehorned into a classroom designed for 6th graders was the excuse given for converting to all-academic, all-desk-based K, throwing out toys, completely eliminating playtime and naptime and for the children storing their bookbags on the dirty rug on the floor and stuffing their coats into their desks instead of in the closet.

                                                    Oh, and it somehow became the excuse for allowing 4-year-old K children to walk down the hall to a bathroom they shared with six-year-olds. On the second floor of the school building with a huge, high staircase that a kid could climb over.

                                                    Let's remember that 4-year-olds believe in fairies and think they can fly.

                                                    As do many running the NYC DOE. --Vicki

                                                    --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, calantjis@... wrote:
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                                                    > They would like you to believe this. Have you analyzed your school budget, including allocations and spending? The entire budget is discretionary, except some mandated State and federal funds.Decisions have to be made about personnel. Do we need all the Assistant Principals? Can we do with less deans? Do we need the per session and comp time positions?There is a school in Astoria called Baccalaureate HS for Global Issues where the decision was made not to have any APs.The money goes for instructional needs I am told.
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                                                    > Incorrect.
                                                    > Your post is a red herring.
                                                    > The principals are given budgets that are way too small to begin with.
                                                    > AT PS 101 in Queens, 92% of the budget went directly to salaries. If the principal had wanted to spend more on teachers to reduce class size, she would have had to hold those classes in the hallway and cut toilet paper.
                                                    > Which had already been cut so stringently that the kindergartners weren't wiping for a while and one developed a health problem because of it.
                                                    > --Vicki
                                                    > --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, calantjis@ wrote:
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                                                    > > Remember, the principal makes the decisions on how the budget is spent and then sells the staff to try to justify it, placing blame elsewhere, on programs or activities, he/she decided to cut.This is why the budget should be transparent and available for discussion and input, particularly by the SLT. The priorities for spending should come from the school community and not the principal only.
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                                                    > > From: t <rg98765@>
                                                    > > To: nyceducationnews <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    > > Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:53 am
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                                                    > > If the schools don't need more money, then how come I was told my daughter had to be in a class of 30 kindergarten children with 1 teacher because there wasn't enough money?
                                                    > > That fun science lab experiments were cut for Kindergarten starting in 2010 in our school because there wasn't enough money?
                                                    > > That they had to watch Sponge Bob during recess instead of having aides lead recreational activities because there wasn't enough money?
                                                    > > That they couldn't obey the law on how much gym time was to be given because there wasn't enough money?
                                                    > > That they couldn't have children visit a school library with a circulating book collection because there wasn't enough money?
                                                    > > We need more money and we need to transfer some of the money being used on garbage to "real" school activities.
                                                    > > --Vicki
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                                                    > > --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, calantjis@ wrote:
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                                                    > > > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer.
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                                                    > > > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â€" but bigger bucks haven’t always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show.
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                                                  • Jane Reiff
                                                    This is a common mistake made by many. I have found SLTs to not be balance because they believe the Principal is not counted and staff and parents are equal in
                                                    Message 25 of 28 , Jul 18, 2013
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                                                      This is a common mistake made by many. I have found SLTs to not be balance because they believe the Principal is not counted and staff and parents are equal in number but the Principal must be counted with other staff and that total is equal to parents.
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                                                      I am pretty sure that SLTs= 50% parents.
                                                       All staff, including principals make up the other half.
                                                      Principals count as staff, not as a "plus one".
                                                      If you have info to the contrary please let me know- I'd like to follow up.
                                                      Thanks,

                                                      Lisa


                                                      All SLTs should have a minimum of ten members and a maximum of 17 members. In 
                                                      determining the size of the team, budget allocations must be considered. 
                                                      B. Mandatory Members 
                                                      The only three mandatory members of the SLT are the school’s principal, the Parent 
                                                      Association/Parent-Teacher Association (PA/PTA) President1
                                                       and the United Federation of 
                                                      Teachers (UFT) Chapter Leader, or their designees. 
                                                      C. Non-Mandatory Members 
                                                      1. In addition to the mandatory members, SLTs must include other parents and staff 
                                                      (pedagogic and/or non-pedagogic) from the school. SLTs must have an equal 
                                                      number of parents and staff. 

                                                      To: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com
                                                      From: rg98765@...
                                                      Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:12:14 +0000
                                                      Subject: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results

                                                       
                                                      Take a closer look -- parents don't make up 50% of the SLT. They make up 50% of what's left over after the principal and several other staffers are put on the SLT. --Vicki

                                                      --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, Lisa Donlan <lisabdonlan@...> wrote:
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                                                      > I think you both raise an important problem and opportunity.
                                                      > While the laws governing SLTs and shared decision making have not changed since 1994, this autocratic administration has managed to by-pass and ignore them, just like every other law that interferes with their top-down "empowered principal as CEO" schema.
                                                      > Parents make up 50% of each team by law. Principals have but one voice in this consensus-based body. Teachers and parents, should be selected to represent their constituencies by the PTA and chapter who elect them, respectively.
                                                      > Imagine if these team members came together united in their goals and priorities? How could even the most autocratic bullying principal override that unity and focus?
                                                      > Yet, it is true that as the whole system is top down, controlling and punitive, principals often engage in a parallel process and treat families and staff in the same way Tweed bullies and dictates to them.
                                                      > There is so much pressure to show positive metrics- test scores, basically, in the SQR and the Progress Report and the NYState Report Card and the Teacher Evaluations and Principal Evaluations that naturally the Comprehensive Educational Plan is not negotiated or determined by the Team. It is concocted out of the Principals' mandates as handed down from the Network Leaders or their bosses in the Clusters, or the district Superintendents or whoever plays the heavy for Tweed's playbook du jour.
                                                      > And in fact, principals do control the budget.And any and all information flows through them.
                                                      > But when Mayoral control of NYC schools was reauthorized by our Legislature up in Albany ( who seem not to care much about how things get implemented down here) safeguards w re added such that SLTs now can evaluate the principals' leadership on the SLT and the principals must justify their budget priorities in terms of how they reflects those goals outlined by the CEP, ( which is supposed, by law, to be written by the Team).
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                                                      > Have the Bosses at Tweed overreached beyond the law ( like in so many cases- districts and Sups to name a key deformation of the law)? Oh yes! Have most principals re enacted that overreaching in their schools? Yes indeed, again.Do school communities participate in this abuse of power, albeit unwillingly, inadvertently or perhaps sometimes complicity? Yes, it would largely seem so.
                                                      > So where is the opportunity?
                                                      > Training on the rights and responsibilities of the SLT is a great place to start.* The duty of the DLT to support, and even evaluate (every two years), their district SLTs is another.
                                                      > Filling out the Principals eval form in the addendum to A-655 is another. Utilizing the form in the addendum to report to the Sup if the Principl fails to supprt the SLT's goals with appropraite budget is another. Of course with school budgets slashed 14% over the last 4 years how could there be much discretionary spending for SLTs to appropriate? The Tweedies have not really empowered principals- more like yoked them via Management By Objective to their pet principles, mostly expressed through corrupt and flawed test scores, surveys and quality reviews, in the context of choice and competition and market efficiency.
                                                      > it is my experience that, under Mayoral control, even the most open and horizontally-disposed school leaders do not have the mind share or the wiggle room to build and empower strong SLTs to enact consistent shared decision making.
                                                      > And that the most authoritative and unwelcoming school leaders are in fact severely under skilled, each human flaw and professional shortcoming magnified by the enormous demands put on their shoulders day after day as "accountability" won in exchange for control shifts down the line to the school level.
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                                                      > Let's hope the next Mayor gets briefed on the NYC governance laws and structure and helps SLTs to grow and flourish to make good on their collective promise to give parents, teachers ( and students in HS) a voice.
                                                      > The laws are already in place, like so many others that Tweed's legal team and henchmen have make a joke of.
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                                                      > Lisa
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                                                      > *The UFT Manhattan parent outreach coordinator, Fran Streich has scheduled trainings on SLT rights and responsibilities several times a year: at monthly meetings, at the twice-yearly borough conference and many other times for individual schools or districts. ( Full disclosure- the DLT in D1 developed such a training for our SLTs and the D1 UFT District Rep and I usually deliver the trainings together).
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                                                      > When the social welfare system and the mental-health nonexistent system is evaluated, they don't point fingers at the schools. The schools' job is to win with the team they're given. If a teacher didn't have 30 kids to teach reading to (when most parents won't even allow a play date with more than 1 guest), then they could do a better job. But they have to put their mouths where their union is and speak up individually and have some courage now and then. REFUSE to reach classes over class size limits. When teachers are standing up for students and telling principals, NO, I won't assign homework in Kindergarten; NO, I won't let you take the toys out of my kindergarten classroom, NO, I won't stop teaching cursive in second grade, NO, I won't allow you to cancel gym every day for my K-3 class, NO, I won't let you stop me from taking my class to the library once a week for instruction on its use and book check-out, NO, I won't let you show Sponge Bob in the cafeteria during lunch time, NO, I won't let you ban books from the auditorium... When school staff and teachers start doing all this, then maybe this parent will allow you to take your focus off your jobs and point your fingers at the rest of society. What's the excuse for the shoddy education our schools provide in high-income, high-literacy neighborhoods in Forest Hills? The kind of neighborhood where parents sit up late at night reading about how to better help their kids learn to read? We spend $30,000 on students in the high-achieving schools in America, so why should NYC only get $19,000 per student? We spend more than $30,000 a year on prisoners. Get the picture? --Vicki --- In mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com, calantjis@ wrote: > > The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norm Scott <normsco@> > To: NYC Ed News <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:35 pm > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going. > What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap. > Norm > > Cheers, > Norm Scott > > Twitter: normscott1 > > Education Notes > ednotesonline.blogspot.com > > Grassroots Education Movement > gemnyc.org > > Education columnist, The Wave > http://www.rockawave.com/ > > nycfirst robotics > normsrobotics.blogspot.com > > Sent from my BlackBerry > From: calantjis@ > Sender: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:01:56 -0400 (EDT) > To: <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > ReplyTo: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@> > To: calantjis <calantjis@> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@> > To: calantjis <calantjis@> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. >
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                                                    • Jane Reiff
                                                      Understand the most important thing which is the Principal is the one held accountable for the success or failure of the students in the school and the parents
                                                      Message 26 of 28 , Jul 18, 2013
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                                                        Understand the most important thing which is the Principal is the one held accountable for the success or failure of the students in the school and the parents are not. If there is no reason to accept ideas or suggestions and concensus is not reached by a team, the DLT can be called in and the functionality of a team is then looked at and if it is due to the principal it will be discovered then. I actually dealt with this in my District when parents asked for help from the DLT.
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                                                        What are we doing about it? I have been an SLT advocate since 2004 and have found that parents and the UFT are not willing to speak out and fight for their rights in school governance through SLT's
                                                        Problems with the 1% spending of Title 1 funds can be addressed by the State and US Dept. of Education, which has offices in NYC.

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                                                        To: nyceducationnews <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                                                        Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 2:59 pm
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                                                        Everyone always says that these are SLT based decisions. The reality is that the principal is given the final say on all decisions.  Even the parents cannot have control of the 1% of title 1 without the principal signing off on it. That is true dictatorship.
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                                                        To: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com
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                                                        These are all discussions and decisions for the school leadership team.


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                                                        To: nyceducationnews <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
                                                        Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:00 am
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                                                        When the social welfare system and the mental-health nonexistent system is evaluated, they don't point fingers at the schools. The schools' job is to win with the team they're given. If a teacher didn't have 30 kids to teach reading to (when most parents won't even allow a play date with more than 1 guest), then they could do a better job. But they have to put their mouths where their union is and speak up individually and have some courage now and then. REFUSE to reach classes over class size limits. When teachers are standing up for students and telling principals, NO, I won't assign homework in Kindergarten; NO, I won't let you take the toys out of my kindergarten classroom, NO, I won't stop teaching cursive in second grade, NO, I won't allow you to cancel gym every day for my K-3 class, NO, I won't let you stop me from taking my class to the library once a week for instruction on its use and book check-out, NO, I won't let you show Sponge Bob in the cafeteria during lunch time, NO, I won't let you ban books from the auditorium... When school staff and teachers start doing all this, then maybe this parent will allow you to take your focus off your jobs and point your fingers at the rest of society. What's the excuse for the shoddy education our schools provide in high-income, high-literacy neighborhoods in Forest Hills? The kind of neighborhood where parents sit up late at night reading about how to better help their kids learn to read? We spend $30,000 on students in the high-achieving schools in America, so why should NYC only get $19,000 per student? We spend more than $30,000 a year on prisoners. Get the picture? --Vicki --- In mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com, calantjis@... wrote: > > The spending given is per student and goes to the schools. There has been an increase from $11,000 in 2001-2002 to $19,000 per student spending in 2010-2011. More money is not the answer. The problem is more deeply rooted. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norm Scott <normsco@...> > To: NYC Ed News <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:35 pm > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > Sure spending doesn't help when you throw money into a corporate hole instead of the classroom. When spending increases and class size goes up we know where the money isn't going. > What a shame when teachers who should know better buy into the right wing anti education clap trap. > Norm > > Cheers, > Norm Scott > > Twitter: normscott1 > > Education Notes > ednotesonline.blogspot.com > > Grassroots Education Movement > gemnyc.org > > Education columnist, The Wave > http://www.rockawave.com/ > > nycfirst robotics > normsrobotics.blogspot.com > > Sent from my BlackBerry > From: calantjis@... > Sender: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:01:56 -0400 (EDT) > To: <mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com> > ReplyTo: mailto:nyceducationnews%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [nyceducationnews] Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@...> > To: calantjis <calantjis@...> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: calantjis <calantjis@...> > To: calantjis <calantjis@...> > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:24 pm > Subject: School spending spree shows mixed results > > > Daily News article on how tremendous increase in school per capita spending in NYC has not yeilded higher student achievement when college readiness is factored in. > Pouring more money into the system is not the answer. > > > I thought you'd like this: > http://fw.to/osqDsKl > > School spending spree shows mixed results > THE AVERAGE spending in city schools has increased dramatically since Mayor Bloomberg took office â" but bigger bucks havenât always produced higher graduation rates, documents obtained by the Daily News show. > > > > To unsubscribe click here. >

                                                      • t
                                                        No. You need to understand the most important thing, which is: the consequences for the CHILD and the PARENTS are far greater and much more important than the
                                                        Message 27 of 28 , Jul 20, 2013
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                                                          No. You need to understand the most important thing, which is: the consequences for the CHILD and the PARENTS are far greater and much more important than the consequences for the Principal.

                                                          The child and parents face a lifetime of consequences from a poor to mediocre education.

                                                          The principal, who makes her money off of our children, may in fact benefit from providing a poor to mediocre education to our children as long as they are pleasing their so-called superiors at the DOE and in the Mayor's office.


                                                          --Vicki

                                                          --- In nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com, "Jane Reiff" <jesnik@...> wrote:
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                                                          > Understand the most important thing which is the Principal is the one held accountable for the success or failure of the students in the school and the parents are not. If there is no reason to accept ideas or suggestions and concensus is not reached by a team, the DLT can be called in and the functionality of a team is then looked at and if it is due to the principal it will be discovered then. I actually dealt with this in my District when parents asked for help from the DLT.
                                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                                          > From: calantjis@...
                                                          > To: nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com
                                                          > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:12 PM
                                                          > Subject: Re: [nyceducationnews] Re: Fwd: School spending spree shows mixed results
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                                                          > What are we doing about it? I have been an SLT advocate since 2004 and have found that parents and the UFT are not willing to speak out and fight for their rights in school governance through SLT's
                                                          > Problems with the 1% spending of Title 1 funds can be addressed by the State and US Dept. of Education, which has offices in NYC.
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                                                          > To: nyceducationnews <nyceducationnews@yahoogroups.com>
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