- ... Welll in most cases we re talking about here in this thread, (festivals, larger events, etc) the audience HAS ALREADY PAID and drove 50-300 miles. So IMessage 1 of 13 , Sep 30, 2005View Source--- Dale Wagner <dwagner@...> wrote:
> You have to satisfie the band first. It is THEIRWelll in most cases we're talking about here
> sound and it is only up to
> the crowd to either like it well enough to pay for
> it or to not.....
in this thread, (festivals, larger events, etc) the
audience HAS ALREADY PAID and drove 50-300 miles. So
I think you're wrong. You satisfy the people that are
paying you. I'll always try to make the FOH sound the
absolute best and get the onstage sound great also..
but if push comes to shove I'll tell the band it's as
good as it's going to get in this time frame , the FOH
sounds great, suck it up and play. Having said that,
there is nothing better than standing on a stage where
it does sound like your living room and play to 500
people. I'll always try for that. I have only played
in 2 venues where that happened as a band member and
both were full blown high dollar events with a
separate monitor mixer, side fills the whole nine
yards. Every other time it has been a compromise. So
sound perfect, trust your band mates and look like
your having fun. Be a pro.
The Moses Lake thing... well as a promoter I think
you should be able to read an equipment list like a
broker reads a balance sheet and you should know the
expected crowd size both in and outdoors and when
handed that list be able to say"no, this is not going
to cut it we're going to need more coverage." That's
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- Frank, Your comment about side fill monitors in a high dollar system was interesting. I always use side fill monitors. I run a two channel monitor mix so IMessage 2 of 13 , Oct 1, 2005View SourceFrank,
Your comment about side fill monitors in a "high dollar" system was
interesting. I always use side fill monitors. I run a two channel monitor
mix so I can turn up the side fills without turning up the floor monitors.
It allows me to crank more monitor on stage when a band that uses a single
large condenser mic, like the Earl Brothers, Great Northern Planes, etc.
demand lots of monitor even though that is asking for feedback disaster if
not handled properly.
I have found it impossible to tell the artists that they either use a large
condenser mic with no monitors or individual mics with monitors. You just do
your best and side fills help a lot.
I started using side fills back in the seventies and have always found it
interesting the concept seems unknown or unused in the average "low dollar"
bluegrass sound set up.
And the term "high dollar" and me are not ever used in the same sentence...
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>From: Frank Monte Calvo <fmontecalvo@...>----SNIP---
>both were full blown high dollar events with a----SNIP---
>separate monitor mixer, side fills the whole nine
>yards. Every other time it has been a compromise. So
>it doesn't >sound perfect, trust your band mates and look like
>your having fun. Be a pro.
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- ... Mark, I did not mean to confuse high dollar system , and high dollar event . These events just happened to be huge. I agree with you. Side fills areMessage 3 of 13 , Oct 1, 2005View Source--- Mark Gensman <GZsound@...> wrote:
> Your comment about side fill monitors in a "high
> dollar" system was
> interesting. I always use side fill monitors. I run
> a two channel monitor
> mix so I can turn up the side fills....
I did not mean to confuse "high dollar system"
, and "high dollar event". These events just happened
to be huge. I agree with you. Side fills are great and
not expensive or difficult these days .
When I was with a rock band every where we played
side fills were the norm. I see very little of that on
Bluegrass stages where it would solve a myriad of
problems. Do you think we're stuck in a " sound tech
time capsule" these days? I don't see great acceptance
or at least interest in side fills or in learning how
to use in ear systems on the local level in acoustic
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- Hearing you sound guys talk about side fills got me wondering about the technique. A google search took me to a pageMessage 4 of 13 , Oct 1, 2005View SourceHearing you sound guys talk about side fills got me wondering about the
technique. A google search took me to a page
where this guy distinguished between side fill monitors and a cross stage
monitor mix. Those of you sound guys- do you mix side fill like this guys
suggests? Here's a bit from the page:
When Side-Fills are used, too many times it is just a mix of everything into
two, two or three-way speaker systems that happen to be on both sides of the
stage. What this does is then increase the overall stage volume without
solving the real problem, which is not being able to hear people on the
opposite side of the stage.
True X-Stage mixes separate the stage in half, everything from the center of
the stage to the right is mixed into the left X-Stage system, and everything
from center stage to the left is mixed into the right X-Stage system. When
done as above, it results in a more intimate sound field on the stage, kind
of like when the musicians played on much smaller stages. If a guitar player
and bass player are standing next to each other, they can hear each others
backline amplifier and don't need more of these instruments blaring at them
from some Side-Fill. However they may not hear that piano player on the
opposite side of the stage. The piano player can hear his/her amp, but may
need to hear that bass player and a little guitar. Usually some drums and
lead vocals are mixed equally into both X-Stage mixers
- No, I do not do what he describes as a cross stage side fill. I have never had a need to do it that way. I normally run vocals through the side fills withMessage 5 of 13 , Oct 1, 2005View SourceNo, I do not do what he describes as a "cross stage" side fill. I have never
had a need to do it that way. I normally run vocals through the side fills
with whatever instrument or vocal mix the band wants.
In my "real" band, we run no bass, no guitar and no drums through the
monitors unless we are in a concert (festival) situation, at which time
everybody gets their own monitor (at least when Stew mixes us) or we just
run vocals and a little instrument mix if we only have one monitor mix
When I run sound for my band, we use two seperate monitor mixes, one for
each side of the stage and the side fills usually consist of just one of
those (the band) monitor mixes. My monitor mix would kill my bandmates
because of the loud instrument mix I use. If I can't hear what i'm playing,
I have a tendency to overplay and sound terrible..or at least more terrible
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>From: The Brains <brainstorm@...>---SNIP---
>Hearing you sound guys talk about side fills got me wondering about the---SNIP---
>technique. A google search took me to a page
>where this guy distinguished between side fill monitors and a cross stage
>monitor mix. Those of you sound guys- do you mix side fill like this guys
>suggests? Here's a bit from the page: