- ... Correct. If you were to try submitting it, you d find that virtuals and webcams are not even an option on the form. But, you can create a waymark for it ifMessage 1 of 35 , Nov 3, 2005View Source
> So current Virtuals (like the ones I planned to to in Miami) are noCorrect. If you were to try submitting it, you'd find that virtuals and
> longer "allowed" for geocaching.com. Correct?
webcams are not even an option on the form.
But, you can create a waymark for it if an appropriate category exists. If
not, maybe you could create the category.
I have 4 categories myself, and managing them is much easier than managing
a locationless cache on geocaching.com.
(Look at Things>>Vehicles and Places>>Strange/Weird)
> Can we use [our] geocaching name on that other site?Yes, the user databases are linked.
> I'm not trying to be a pain inPlease, ask all the questions you want. Waymarking is, intentionally, very
> the butt, I just wanna make sure I understand everthing correctly.
different from geocaching. You can't look at waymarking with a geocaching
mindset. But if you open your mind and look at the possibilities, you just
might start to like waymarking.
- Just curious. I m easy and it sound good to me. Rich ... The reasons are many. 1. Locationless caches were broken. This is evidenced by the fact there has beenMessage 35 of 35 , Nov 4, 2005View SourceJust curious. I'm easy and it sound good to me.Rich
> but, Why? I mean why are these changes happening?
The reasons are many.
1. Locationless caches were broken. This is evidenced by the fact there has
been a moratorium on them for almost 3 years. The geocaching.com site was
not designed for caches to have 1,000's of logs. There was no easy way to
see if the location you want to log was already logged. Once something was
logged, it wasn't supposed to be logged again.
The waymarking.com site answers those limitations. During alpha-testing,
the waymark database was populated with millions of waypoints from a NGS
database. When you submit a waymark, it automatically tells you if anything
else was already logged within a mile. Once a waymark is created, it can
then be 'visited' by others.
Think of it this way:
A waymark category is like a locationless cache. When someone finds
something that fits the category, they create a waymark.
A waymark is like a virtual cache. When someone visits the waymark, they
log a "visit."
2. Virtual caches were broken. This is evidenced by the fact that the
guidelines were so tight that only a few dozen were published in the last 2
years. The reviewers hated having to review 100 virtuals, and only be able
to publish 1 or 2 that met the guidelines. The reviewers hated being bashed
weekly in the forums by that someone who's virtual was denied. No the
answer was not to change the guidelines. That would only change the
threshold. There would still be denied virtuals. Otherwise you would have
every streetsign, every dead animal carcass, every lost tennis ball, and
every lost shoe, as virtual caches. Yes, one of those things, or something
even more lame, was submitted every week!
3. Splitting non-container caches off from geocaching.com enables
Groundspeak to market the new site to other groups of people. We all know
people who think geocaching is silly. But maybe those same people enjoy
finding Covered Wagons, or Odd-Shaped Buildings, or Outdoor Wind Harps, or
Hot Springs, or Foucault Pendulums. They just might enjoy waymarking.
Or how about full-time RVers that travel with pets. They might find the
"Free Overnight RV Parking Locations" and "Off-Leash Dog Areas" categories
useful. Suddenly the market potential is several times greater. (Note my
examples are based on current categories. New categories are being added
every day, continuing to diversify the site.)
4. As more and more land managing agencies discover geocaches in their
parks, they have been enacting guidelines and rules to limit those caches.
In several cases, they have created rules saying only virtual caches can be
created in their parks. By removing virtual caches as an option, it
implores these agencies to work on guidelines to allow physical caches.
Sometimes change is good. Keep an open mind and give it a try.
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