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  • Tammy Pokorney
    Aug 25, 2009
      EXACTLY!  Thank you.
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Tim Vigus
      Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:17 PM
      Subject: RE: [NUTS] Smiley or Frown?


      Lets see... Geocaching is a game. Every Cacher I have met plays the game a little different.  I just returned from Ground Speak Head Quarters last week, where the developers were talking to us about the uniquiness of this game to each player. 
      So play this game to your highest integrity and don't worry about everyone else.
      So instead of debating something you have no control over, lets go Caching.


      --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Escapades <escapades4cache@ yahoo.com> wrote:

      From: Escapades <escapades4cache@ yahoo.com>
      Subject: RE: [NUTS] Smiley or Frown?
      To: nuts_@yahoogroups. com
      Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 7:02 PM


      OK I think I am missing something.  If you find the cache but the log sheet is missing and you replace the log sheet and sign it is that a find or not?  I would call it a find.  I'm not going back another time to see if the cache owner put in an official log I'm calling it a find.
      I not racing against anybody anyway in finds.  I just like to see how many caches I have found.

      --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Darren Courtney <mtntrek@live. com> wrote:

      From: Darren Courtney <mtntrek@live. com>
      Subject: RE: [NUTS] Smiley or Frown?
      To: nuts_@yahoogroups. com
      Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 6:32 AM

      How about those that that are doing events where they are supposed to check in at the event?
      Instead, they are sitting out in the field waiting with their wireless cards in their laptops for the gpx file post on the web. They then knock out the furthest caches and work their way in. They get some FTF's before anyone from the event that can even get to them in time. Some work hard to honestly get the FTF. Only to get there and find that someone one had already logged it. I then meet the person on the trail who was bragging they got it and how they did it. I did not have much to say to this cacher and just moved on. Ticked me off, but what can we do?
      I have dubbed stuff like this as "geocheating" . I have seen a few other inconsistencies as well out in the field.
      I try to keep the highest integrity while out on the hunt. I like the phrase "To thine own self be true". And how hard is it to replace a temp log until the cache owner can replace one? As some have said, the cacher(s) doing this are the ones that has to live with the way they hunt. Right or wrong, it is their call. There are people from all walks of life doing this activity anyhow. Can we expect perfection? Then again, I am still kind of new and really do not get too involved in the forums. Though I do learn a lot by reading them. Just my two cents.

      Happy caching and keep your head up high!  :-)


      To: nuts_@yahoogroups. com
      From: cliffmeyer75@ yahoo.com
      Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 05:50:46 -0700
      Subject: Re: [NUTS] Smiley or Frown?


      How about the cacher than hides caches in his wife's name and then finds them in his? Sure is an easy way to build numbers if you can live with yourself. (and the whole community who knows what you are doing).
      If you are with another cacher when they are putting out hides should you ever claim a find on that cache?

      From: Bill Hoke <bhoke@sbcglobal. net>
      To: nuts_@yahoogroups. com
      Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:47:38 AM
      Subject: Re: [NUTS] Smiley or Frown?

      While I agree with the sign the log group, I will admit that I have not always signed the log. Once I forgot a pen and instead of walking back to the car, I pricked my finger and left a fingerprint. And once while doing a series of caches along a trail, one of them had a sodden mess of a log. I had no replacement and past logs stated that the log was soaked. I don't feel like anyone was cheated in these cases.

      Now I have a file that someone sent me with a bunch of puzzles caches on it. All solved, ready to go. Never opened it and never will. That would be cheating two people. Myself and the hider. 

      --- On Mon, 8/24/09, thrak <thrak@pacbell. net> wrote:

      From: thrak <thrak@pacbell. net>
      Subject: Re: [NUTS] Smiley or Frown?
      To: nuts_@yahoogroups. com
      Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 7:57 PM

      From one crabby old man to another..... ........ I agree with you completely. I realize most will say it's no big deal but I really dislike "cheating" even if folks are only cheating themselves. If you aren't even honest with yourself I don't expect that you will be honest with others either.

      blucruzfamily wrote:
      I just don't understand why some people log a find when all they find is a container and no log. I have always had the mindset that if I don't sign it, I don't log it as a find. I've never deleted a log on one of my caches by someone claiming a find without signing the log sheet, and I have no intention of doing so, but, in my opinion you didn't find the cache if you didn't find and sign the log.
      Rant almost over....Sorry I've had some very upsetting caching experiences in the last couple months and have all but given up the sport. I guess I'm just getting grumpy about the little things.
      Gary (Blucruz)

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