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  • Greg Chapman
    Hi fw, ... I haven t. However, this wasn t true installation - just running the LiveCD. I am convinced this was a memory issue as Xubuntu7.04 successfully
    Message 1 of 9 , Jul 24, 2008
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      Hi fw,

      On 24 Jul 08 12:58 fw7oaks <fw7oaks@...> said:
      > When I've had a hanging Linux installation the problem has normally
      > been that the graphics card isn't supportedĀ  'out of the box'. Have
      > you tried for video using VESA installation option?

      I haven't. However, this wasn't true "installation" - just running
      the LiveCD.

      I am convinced this was a memory issue as Xubuntu7.04 successfully ran
      as a LiveCD. I could launch a range of applications and it all ran
      fine.

      It was only the full Unbuntu7.04 and the cut-down Xubuntu8.04 (which I
      noted clearly states it will not run in the help screens at LiveCD
      startup with less than 384mb RAM - I only have 256Mb) that fell over
      before fully booting.

      Greg
    • Larry Hamilton
      A live CD will require more RAM than that of an installed to the HDD option. While Linux will run on older CDs, it has had some bloat as far as specific
      Message 2 of 9 , Jul 24, 2008
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        A live CD will require more RAM than that of an "installed" to the HDD option.

        While Linux will run on older CDs, it has had some "bloat" as far as specific window managers, such as Gnome and KDE.

        I like XFCE as it is lighter but not too light for my tastes.

        You indicated that you had 280+ MB RAM, you should have an adequate Linux experience.

        As far as wifi, I have not tried to get wifi going on Linux, as I do not have a wifi capable laptop to try Linux.

        I have seen in the last couple of weeks a few articles on wifi not being as hard to get running as in the past. A lot of it depends on the make of the wifi card. I do not have the links handy.

        I am sure the Ubuntu forums will be of help there.

        Larry Hamilton

        --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Greg Chapman <gregchapmanuk@...> wrote:

        > "installation" - just running
        > the LiveCD.
      • Alan C
        On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Greg Chapman ... [ . . ] ... I tinkered a few minutes, got wireless working on Slackware 12.0
        Message 3 of 9 , Jul 24, 2008
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          On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Greg Chapman <gregchapmanuk@...> wrote:
          Hi Gang,

          Sorry to be a little off-topic...

          On 16 Jul 08 03:43 sisterscape <sisterscape@...> said:
          > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765510
          >
          > Just wanted to give you a heads up before you got into deep doodoo.
          > ;)

          I have been planning to move to Ubuntu on my old laptop for months
          [ . . ]

          The one thing putting me off making the jump had been the potential
          problem of getting my wireless card to work.  I gather I will need to
          use the ndiswrapper as I have a "BT Voyager 1065" PCMCIA card and
          there is no Linux support for that from the manufacturer.  I see that
          there is info about installing the related(?) Voyager 1055 (USB
          dongle), but haven't read the page fully.

          I tinkered a few minutes, got wireless working on Slackware 12.0 (Thinkpad 600X laptop with a Belkin wifi pcmcia adapter).

          not using it the wireless though -- was just a test and had no security on it.  wireless is now turned off in my router.  Need more around to its to experiment/learn more as I ultimately do want to use wireless.

          some wifi hardware likely still works better than others (but it's been changing for the better)

          Go to google/linux

          does Linux only based search.  search for: madwifi; wifi hardware compatability; also enter your hardware and see what turns up on it.  wireless has been making fast headway in the Linux (has to do with development of drivers that load into Linux kernel) there are many varied development teams for different wifi hardwares drivers

          next copied from wireless of my bookmarks (tends to be Slackware specific but nonetheless also offers such as needed primer on getting underway with wireless on Linux [not just Slackware]).

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           [ . . ]

          And with my hardware, am I being silly going for Xubuntu.  Will it
          happily take Ubuntu? I appear to be able to run OOo under Windows on
          the machine.

          sound like your mach. would do as least as good but likely even better than my Thinkpad 600E

          IBM Thinkpad 600E (I have in addition to my 600X) 366 MHZ cpu 280 megs ram

          using the icewm (ice window manager GUI) running Slackware 12.0 is blazingly fast.  But I'm the fat cat sort (I guess) 'cause I like the KDE desktop which is more than useable on the mentioned 600E laptop -- with it, I hardly ever fire up the icewm since KDE runs at rather good speed (in KDE I did set some of the eye candy down to less than the default) -> KDE has an adjustment whereby it can economize or if you have a pentium 4 then you can let it not economize (throw more eye candy, bells and whistles at you) kinda neat ie adjust/tailor to your hardware resources slower pentimu 3 versus later faster machine.


          (I had thought that one of the attractions of Linux was that it
          wouldn't be so resource hungry, but my experience with the LiveCD has
          me worrying that there's as much bloat chasing going on in the Linux
          world as with Windows.)

          Any thoughts?

          Slackware is noted for its lean ness and running fast but in order to access much of the (vast amount of) power that Slackware offers, you must be or become a Linux nuts and bolts person.

          Suse, Mandriva, Fedora tend lean in the resource hog direction.  but as Larry said, lot hinges on which desktop or window manager is used.  (or on KDE desktop, how far down you set the slider to economize for a lesser speed cpu and lesser ram)

          Linux has it all ie super lean and fast to very huge resource hungry.

          Just don't run the X server (A.K.A. "GUI support, NOT") and you'll fly along at the speed of the launched sky rocket on 64 megs of ram no less!  -- text based interface only though -- a lot like DOS but WAY more powerful ie (nearly) ten million open source apps that don't require X in order to run. (some Linux nuts and bolts likely required).

          I've not tried Ubuntu (I've been on Linux for upwards of 6 years which is before Ubuntu began)

          Ubuntu tries to take the nuts and bolts out of Linux (I've long since known too much the nuts and bolts so I've no need for Ubuntu).  Its Slackware and Debian for me.

          Oh, server stuff can be hard (not desktop machine) macho lots nuts and bolts

          I once ran out of round toits had that not happened I would of at that time had me an Ubuntu server box.

          I'll never say never because I already could have.  Just not yet.  And it's not seen on the horizon for me at this time (installing Ubuntu) guess I could play with a Live CD.  I'm so busy, so little time.

          --
          Alan.

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