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Re: Wine 1.1.1 Released July 11, 2008

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  • lm_hamilton
    Wine 1.1.1 for Slackware was ready today. It seems to be the same old issues with NoteTab Pro. Light seemed smoother to me when highlighting text with the
    Message 1 of 9 , Jul 15, 2008
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      Wine 1.1.1 for Slackware was ready today.

      It seems to be the same old issues with NoteTab Pro.

      Light seemed smoother to me when highlighting text with the mouse.

      I finally downloaded the latest Ubuntu, but have not had time to burn
      a CD. I plan to switch my Debian box to Ubuntu (As I have for over a
      year. :) ), since that seems to be the majority distribution nowadays.

      Larry Hamilton
    • sisterscape
      Be aware that MANY people have problems with 8.04 locking up/freezing. This has happened to my VB install as well as the old Dell. Has made me very cautious
      Message 2 of 9 , Jul 15, 2008
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        Be aware that MANY people have problems with 8.04 locking up/freezing. This has happened to my VB install as well as the old Dell. Has made me very cautious about upgrading. I remember at least one person posting that he's going to skip HH and wait for the Ibex where the root of the problem will be addressed. There is a 52 page thread dealing with the problem on the Ubuntu forums - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765510

        Just wanted to give you a heads up before you got into deep doodoo. ;)


        --- On Tue, 7/15/08, lm_hamilton <lm_hamilton@...> wrote:

        > From: lm_hamilton <lm_hamilton@...>
        > Subject: [ntb-linux] Re: Wine 1.1.1 Released July 11, 2008
        > To: ntb-linux@yahoogroups.com
        > Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 9:11 PM
        > Wine 1.1.1 for Slackware was ready today.
        >
        > It seems to be the same old issues with NoteTab Pro.
        >
        > Light seemed smoother to me when highlighting text with the
        > mouse.
        >
        > I finally downloaded the latest Ubuntu, but have not had
        > time to burn
        > a CD. I plan to switch my Debian box to Ubuntu (As I have
        > for over a
        > year. :) ), since that seems to be the majority
        > distribution nowadays.
        >
        > Larry Hamilton
        >
        >
        > ------------------------------------
        >
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        >
        >
      • Greg Chapman
        Hi Gang, Sorry to be a little off-topic... ... I have been planning to move to Ubuntu on my old laptop for months now. Tried to run the 7.04 LiveCD and it
        Message 3 of 9 , Jul 24, 2008
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          Hi Gang,

          Sorry to be a little off-topic...

          On 16 Jul 08 03:43 sisterscape <sisterscape@...> said:
          > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765510
          >
          > Just wanted to give you a heads up before you got into deep doodoo.
          > ;)

          I have been planning to move to Ubuntu on my old laptop for months
          now. Tried to run the 7.04 LiveCD and it failed. (I now reckon that
          it was insufficient RAM.) However, 7.04 Xubuntu appeared to run fine.
          So I made the decision to go to Xubuntu... but never got round to
          doing it.

          Then 8.04 arrived. I downloaded Xubuntu 8.04 and attempted to run it.
          Did the same as Ubuntu 7.04. Hung half way through the load. Checked
          the help sceens and see it needs 384Mb RAM and I only have 256mb (and
          a very full 6Gb HD, but I plan a complete clean disk reformat on
          installation of Ubuntu.)

          The one thing putting me off making the jump had been the potential
          problem of getting my wireless card to work. I gather I will need to
          use the ndiswrapper as I have a "BT Voyager 1065" PCMCIA card and
          there is no Linux support for that from the manufacturer. I see that
          there is info about installing the related(?) Voyager 1055 (USB
          dongle), but haven't read the page fully.

          At my first attempt running the liveCD Xubuntu 7.04, my worry was that
          Synaptic PM didn't show the files I was expecting to see. (I have
          William von Hagen's Ubuntu Linux Bible book and I do recognise that
          that illustrates a still earlier version than 7.04.)

          So, should I press on with 8.04, only try 7.04 at this stage, or wait
          until Ibex appears?

          And with my hardware, am I being silly going for Xubuntu. Will it
          happily take Ubuntu? I appear to be able to run OOo under Windows on
          the machine.

          (I had thought that one of the attractions of Linux was that it
          wouldn't be so resource hungry, but my experience with the LiveCD has
          me worrying that there's as much bloat chasing going on in the Linux
          world as with Windows.)

          Any thoughts?

          Greg
        • fw7oaks
          When I ve had a hanging Linux installation the problem has normally been that the graphics card isn t supportedĀ  out of the box . Have you tried for video
          Message 4 of 9 , Jul 24, 2008
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            When I've had a hanging Linux installation the problem has normally been that the graphics card isn't supported  'out of the box'. Have you tried for video using VESA installation option?

            fw


            --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Greg Chapman <gregchapmanuk@...> wrote:
            From: Greg Chapman <gregchapmanuk@...>
            Subject: Re: [ntb-linux] Re: Wine 1.1.1 Released July 11, 2008
            To: ntb-linux@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 12:25 PM

            Hi Gang,

            Sorry to be a little off-topic...

            On 16 Jul 08 03:43 sisterscape <sisterscape@ yahoo.com> said:
            > http://ubuntuforums .org/showthread. php?t=765510
            >
            > Just wanted to give you a heads up before you got into deep doodoo.
            > ;)

            I have been planning to move to Ubuntu on my old laptop for months
            now. Tried to run the 7.04 LiveCD and it failed. (I now reckon that
            it was insufficient RAM.) However, 7.04 Xubuntu appeared to run fine.
            So I made the decision to go to Xubuntu... but never got round to
            doing it.

            Then 8.04 arrived. I downloaded Xubuntu 8.04 and attempted to run it.
            Did the same as Ubuntu 7.04. Hung half way through the load. Checked
            the help sceens and see it needs 384Mb RAM and I only have 256mb (and
            a very full 6Gb HD, but I plan a complete clean disk reformat on
            installation of Ubuntu.)

            The one thing putting me off making the jump had been the potential
            problem of getting my wireless card to work. I gather I will need to
            use the ndiswrapper as I have a "BT Voyager 1065" PCMCIA card and
            there is no Linux support for that from the manufacturer. I see that
            there is info about installing the related(?) Voyager 1055 (USB
            dongle), but haven't read the page fully.

            At my first attempt running the liveCD Xubuntu 7.04, my worry was that
            Synaptic PM didn't show the files I was expecting to see. (I have
            William von Hagen's Ubuntu Linux Bible book and I do recognise that
            that illustrates a still earlier version than 7.04.)

            So, should I press on with 8.04, only try 7.04 at this stage, or wait
            until Ibex appears?

            And with my hardware, am I being silly going for Xubuntu. Will it
            happily take Ubuntu? I appear to be able to run OOo under Windows on
            the machine.

            (I had thought that one of the attractions of Linux was that it
            wouldn't be so resource hungry, but my experience with the LiveCD has
            me worrying that there's as much bloat chasing going on in the Linux
            world as with Windows.)

            Any thoughts?

            Greg

          • Greg Chapman
            Hi fw, ... I haven t. However, this wasn t true installation - just running the LiveCD. I am convinced this was a memory issue as Xubuntu7.04 successfully
            Message 5 of 9 , Jul 24, 2008
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              Hi fw,

              On 24 Jul 08 12:58 fw7oaks <fw7oaks@...> said:
              > When I've had a hanging Linux installation the problem has normally
              > been that the graphics card isn't supportedĀ  'out of the box'. Have
              > you tried for video using VESA installation option?

              I haven't. However, this wasn't true "installation" - just running
              the LiveCD.

              I am convinced this was a memory issue as Xubuntu7.04 successfully ran
              as a LiveCD. I could launch a range of applications and it all ran
              fine.

              It was only the full Unbuntu7.04 and the cut-down Xubuntu8.04 (which I
              noted clearly states it will not run in the help screens at LiveCD
              startup with less than 384mb RAM - I only have 256Mb) that fell over
              before fully booting.

              Greg
            • Larry Hamilton
              A live CD will require more RAM than that of an installed to the HDD option. While Linux will run on older CDs, it has had some bloat as far as specific
              Message 6 of 9 , Jul 24, 2008
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                A live CD will require more RAM than that of an "installed" to the HDD option.

                While Linux will run on older CDs, it has had some "bloat" as far as specific window managers, such as Gnome and KDE.

                I like XFCE as it is lighter but not too light for my tastes.

                You indicated that you had 280+ MB RAM, you should have an adequate Linux experience.

                As far as wifi, I have not tried to get wifi going on Linux, as I do not have a wifi capable laptop to try Linux.

                I have seen in the last couple of weeks a few articles on wifi not being as hard to get running as in the past. A lot of it depends on the make of the wifi card. I do not have the links handy.

                I am sure the Ubuntu forums will be of help there.

                Larry Hamilton

                --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Greg Chapman <gregchapmanuk@...> wrote:

                > "installation" - just running
                > the LiveCD.
              • Alan C
                On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Greg Chapman ... [ . . ] ... I tinkered a few minutes, got wireless working on Slackware 12.0
                Message 7 of 9 , Jul 24, 2008
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                  On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Greg Chapman <gregchapmanuk@...> wrote:
                  Hi Gang,

                  Sorry to be a little off-topic...

                  On 16 Jul 08 03:43 sisterscape <sisterscape@...> said:
                  > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765510
                  >
                  > Just wanted to give you a heads up before you got into deep doodoo.
                  > ;)

                  I have been planning to move to Ubuntu on my old laptop for months
                  [ . . ]

                  The one thing putting me off making the jump had been the potential
                  problem of getting my wireless card to work.  I gather I will need to
                  use the ndiswrapper as I have a "BT Voyager 1065" PCMCIA card and
                  there is no Linux support for that from the manufacturer.  I see that
                  there is info about installing the related(?) Voyager 1055 (USB
                  dongle), but haven't read the page fully.

                  I tinkered a few minutes, got wireless working on Slackware 12.0 (Thinkpad 600X laptop with a Belkin wifi pcmcia adapter).

                  not using it the wireless though -- was just a test and had no security on it.  wireless is now turned off in my router.  Need more around to its to experiment/learn more as I ultimately do want to use wireless.

                  some wifi hardware likely still works better than others (but it's been changing for the better)

                  Go to google/linux

                  does Linux only based search.  search for: madwifi; wifi hardware compatability; also enter your hardware and see what turns up on it.  wireless has been making fast headway in the Linux (has to do with development of drivers that load into Linux kernel) there are many varied development teams for different wifi hardwares drivers

                  next copied from wireless of my bookmarks (tends to be Slackware specific but nonetheless also offers such as needed primer on getting underway with wireless on Linux [not just Slackware]).

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                   [ . . ]

                  And with my hardware, am I being silly going for Xubuntu.  Will it
                  happily take Ubuntu? I appear to be able to run OOo under Windows on
                  the machine.

                  sound like your mach. would do as least as good but likely even better than my Thinkpad 600E

                  IBM Thinkpad 600E (I have in addition to my 600X) 366 MHZ cpu 280 megs ram

                  using the icewm (ice window manager GUI) running Slackware 12.0 is blazingly fast.  But I'm the fat cat sort (I guess) 'cause I like the KDE desktop which is more than useable on the mentioned 600E laptop -- with it, I hardly ever fire up the icewm since KDE runs at rather good speed (in KDE I did set some of the eye candy down to less than the default) -> KDE has an adjustment whereby it can economize or if you have a pentium 4 then you can let it not economize (throw more eye candy, bells and whistles at you) kinda neat ie adjust/tailor to your hardware resources slower pentimu 3 versus later faster machine.


                  (I had thought that one of the attractions of Linux was that it
                  wouldn't be so resource hungry, but my experience with the LiveCD has
                  me worrying that there's as much bloat chasing going on in the Linux
                  world as with Windows.)

                  Any thoughts?

                  Slackware is noted for its lean ness and running fast but in order to access much of the (vast amount of) power that Slackware offers, you must be or become a Linux nuts and bolts person.

                  Suse, Mandriva, Fedora tend lean in the resource hog direction.  but as Larry said, lot hinges on which desktop or window manager is used.  (or on KDE desktop, how far down you set the slider to economize for a lesser speed cpu and lesser ram)

                  Linux has it all ie super lean and fast to very huge resource hungry.

                  Just don't run the X server (A.K.A. "GUI support, NOT") and you'll fly along at the speed of the launched sky rocket on 64 megs of ram no less!  -- text based interface only though -- a lot like DOS but WAY more powerful ie (nearly) ten million open source apps that don't require X in order to run. (some Linux nuts and bolts likely required).

                  I've not tried Ubuntu (I've been on Linux for upwards of 6 years which is before Ubuntu began)

                  Ubuntu tries to take the nuts and bolts out of Linux (I've long since known too much the nuts and bolts so I've no need for Ubuntu).  Its Slackware and Debian for me.

                  Oh, server stuff can be hard (not desktop machine) macho lots nuts and bolts

                  I once ran out of round toits had that not happened I would of at that time had me an Ubuntu server box.

                  I'll never say never because I already could have.  Just not yet.  And it's not seen on the horizon for me at this time (installing Ubuntu) guess I could play with a Live CD.  I'm so busy, so little time.

                  --
                  Alan.

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