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  • Lotta
    Hello, ... Ha ha! That was good! Just wanted to add that IFRAME is not supported by NN 4.5 and as Stephen said Opera does not support it. BTW I didn t know it
    Message 1 of 26 , Oct 9, 2000
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      Hello,

      Stephen wrote:
      >Trying to be the most inclusive possible, I came up with this skeleton
      >document:


      Ha ha! That was good!

      Just wanted to add that IFRAME is not supported by NN 4.5 and as Stephen
      said Opera does not support it. BTW I didn't know it is now included in the
      standard. That should mean that Opera will support it ASP (as much as they
      brag about supporting the standard they have to.)

      Object is supposed to embed HTML files as well (and does in IE and Opera).
      See the w3c link below.

      It is also supposed to substitute <IMG> (and does in Opera or if you use IE
      and like your pics with scroll bars. Does not in NN4.5).

      For sound I guess EMBED (maybe backed up with bgsound) is the best choice
      even if non standard. IS there a standard for background sound?


      It's a wonderful world!

      Lotta

      Objects, Images, and Applets in HTML documents:
      http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html

      OBJECT - Embedded Object:
      http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/special/object.html
    • Red Leader
      Does your web host support Server Side Includes? (SSI) I would find out as I think this is exactly what you re looking for. You can include html, text,
      Message 2 of 26 , Oct 9, 2000
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        Does your web host support Server Side Includes? (SSI) I would find out
        as I think this is exactly what you're looking for. You can include
        html, text, whatever and of course it works with all browsers as
        everything is done on the server. The page extensions will be .shtml
        instead of .html. Basically you can write a skeleton page and put
        <!--#include file="includefile.htm" --> and the page that the server
        sends out will insert the text or html file where you told it to. Check
        out
        http://www.bignosebird.com/ssi.shtml
        It does put some extra processing load on the server of course, which is
        why some hosts don't support it.

        ---
        Emmett Hawkins
      • Larry Hamilton
        Hey All, A similar functionality can be gained with PHP. I am just now getting up to some semblance of speed with it. I just bought the book, PHP Fast & Easy
        Message 3 of 26 , Oct 9, 2000
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          Hey All,

          A similar functionality can be gained with PHP. I am just now getting up to
          some semblance of speed with it. I just bought the book, "PHP Fast & Easy
          Web Development, by Julie C. Meloni, Pub. Prima Tech (CD with PHP, MySQL,
          Apache for Win & Linux included). I found her web site
          [http://www.thickbook.com] a couple months ago, and she gave the clearest,
          simplest explanation of how to get PHP, MySQL, and Apache to talk to each
          other. My PC is Win95, but the web site is hosted on Unix, since it is
          cheaper. The examples she gives in the book are real-world applications
          that can easily be modified to suit a variety of needs.

          I do not normally get excited about computer books, but this one is simple
          enough for total beginners, but has enough real examples to help the more
          advanced learn something.
          Sort of like what my calculus book never had in college, a complicated
          enough example to help you figure out the problem that only the math lovers
          ever got right. ;-)

          If you have a web host that has PHP, it is simple enough for the beginner
          to put to use. I look forward to being able to have truly browser neutral
          pages, without spending all my time coding pages.

          Another thing that might do what is discussed previously in this thread is
          XML, something Grant has shared a lot of. (PHP and other server-side
          languages can format pages for XML purposes, another thing I look forward
          to figuring out, since it allows for easy communication of various data
          formats.

          HTH,


          Lawrence M. (Larry) Hamilton, Jr.
          Webmaster Hamilton National Genealogical Society, Inc.
          webmaster@...
          http://www.hamiltongensociety.org/
        • Stephen Riddle
          ... TEE Hee ;-) You re soo right
          Message 4 of 26 , Oct 11, 2000
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            David Ash wrote:

            >
            > My own description of <EMBED> would be as follows: "The function of the
            > <EMBED> element is to bring up a message telling you about yet another
            > plugin you don't have on your system and are probably better off
            > without."
            >
            > D+
            >

            TEE Hee ;-) You're soo right
          • Stephen Riddle
            ... You mean besides the back button? I believe is the new W3C standard for that, but embed works well. If you want the viewer to have lots
            Message 5 of 26 , Oct 11, 2000
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              > Lotta wrote

              > For sound I guess EMBED (maybe backed up with bgsound) is the best choice
              > even if non standard. IS there a standard for background sound?

              You mean besides the back button?
              I believe <object></object> is the new W3C standard for that, but embed works
              well.
              If you want the viewer to have lots of control, <a
              href="somekindofsoundfile.midi">Click here to hear beautiful music</a> works.
              I've not played with it much with DHTML, but it usually brings up the media
              player. I don't know if this is standard, but it seems to work.
              Stephen
            • Lotta
              Hello again Stephen, Have you made a Clip yet of the All Browsers Embed code? I loved that one. A wonderful illustration of the state of things. ... Yes it
              Message 6 of 26 , Oct 11, 2000
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                Hello again Stephen,

                Have you made a Clip yet of the 'All Browsers Embed' code? I loved that
                one. A wonderful illustration of the state of things.

                At 00:18 2000-10-12, you wrote:
                > > For sound I guess EMBED (maybe backed up with bgsound) is the best choice
                > > even if non standard. IS there a standard for background sound?
                >
                >You mean besides the back button?
                >I believe <object></object> is the new W3C standard for that, but embed works
                >well.

                Yes it is. OBJECT is even preferred over IMG, I think. But the support is
                poor. Guess I meant if there has been a working standard at any
                time. BGSOUND and EMBED is IE/NN stuff.

                >What gets me worried, is that the standards do keep changing. I'd just
                >once like to be "caught up".

                Agreed! I would like to learn all the ins and outs (and the tricks too!) of
                one language, just to feel that I master it all. But as you say, there is
                no use to do that.


                BTW (acronym!) Jody use to have bad hair days. Just want to tell that I
                have a bad eyes day with everything jumping around. I noted that I earlier
                said that you all should go and read the WDG page when I meant that Wayland
                could read it all at...So if I write peculiar things at times it is,
                mostly, not intended.


                Good night all,

                Lotta
              • Lotta
                Stephen, ... But of course! Every known language and for every possible purpose. Make it real small and neat. I expect you to send the Clip to me as soon as
                Message 7 of 26 , Oct 12, 2000
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                  Stephen,

                  >Should I include parameters for Java or
                  >other stuff.

                  But of course! Every known language and for every possible purpose. Make it
                  real small and neat. I expect you to send the Clip to me as soon as you are
                  done.

                  Hurry up, will ya! :-)))))

                  Lotta
                • Stephen Riddle
                  Lotta wrote, ... Gawrsh, thanks, No, didn t even think of it, but I could. Should I include parameters for Java or other stuff. I don t do Java, (at least
                  Message 8 of 26 , Oct 12, 2000
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                    Lotta wrote,


                    >
                    >
                    > Have you made a Clip yet of the 'All Browsers Embed' code? I loved that
                    > one. A wonderful illustration of the state of things.

                    Gawrsh, thanks,
                    No, didn't even think of it, but I could. Should I include parameters for Java or
                    other stuff. I don't do Java, (at least yet) and am afraid I'd leave something
                    out.
                    It might get really messy trying to think of EVERYTHING.
                    Happy every darn thang,
                    Steph
                  • -=/ Cees /=-
                    Hello Lotta, Thursday, October 12, 2000, 8:08:28 PM, you wrote: L Stephen, ... L But of course! Every known language and for every possible purpose. Make it
                    Message 9 of 26 , Oct 12, 2000
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                      Hello Lotta,

                      Thursday, October 12, 2000, 8:08:28 PM, you wrote:

                      L> Stephen,

                      >>Should I include parameters for Java or
                      >>other stuff.

                      L> But of course! Every known language and for every possible purpose. Make it
                      L> real small and neat. I expect you to send the Clip to me as soon as you are
                      L> done.

                      L> Hurry up, will ya! :-)))))

                      Well I'm having contacts with a firm who'll are interested in me and letting
                      me do a course in Delphi. So.... <hint>

                      :-))

                      -=/ Cees /=-
                      http://dierhulp.nb.nu/

                      We call our dog Egypt coz' he leaves pyramids in the garden.
                    • Lotta
                      Hello Cees, ... Excellent! You guys do all the work and send me the result. I ll be waiting. ;-)) L AKA Lotta
                      Message 10 of 26 , Oct 12, 2000
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                        Hello Cees,

                        >Well I'm having contacts with a firm who'll are interested in me and letting
                        >me do a course in Delphi. So.... <hint>

                        Excellent! You guys do all the work and send me the result. I'll be
                        waiting. ;-))

                        L AKA Lotta
                      • Stephen Riddle
                        ... Sometimes I think I m outa my league, lemme see, ... I ll get de books an brainz out an see whut I kin kum up with. When I get tired of it, I ll let you
                        Message 11 of 26 , Oct 12, 2000
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                          Lotta wrote:

                          > Hello Cees,
                          >
                          > >Well I'm having contacts with a firm who'll are interested in me and letting
                          > >me do a course in Delphi. So.... <hint>
                          >
                          > Excellent! You guys do all the work and send me the result. I'll be
                          > waiting. ;-))
                          >
                          > L AKA Lotta
                          >

                          Sometimes I think I'm outa my league, lemme see,
                          >But of course! Every known language and for every possible purpose. Make it
                          >real small and neat. I expect you to send the Clip to me as soon as you are
                          >done.

                          >Hurry up, will ya! :-)))))

                          I'll get de books an' brainz out an see whut I kin kum up with. When I get tired of
                          it, I'll let you folks see if I've left anything out.
                          Stephen
                        • Lotta
                          Stephen, ... Oh no. .. Did you take me seriously? Geez...I m not that demanding. I found your All Browsers thing wonderful because it illustrated how mixed up
                          Message 12 of 26 , Oct 13, 2000
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                            Stephen,

                            >I'll get de books an' brainz out an see whut I kin kum up with. When I get
                            >tired of
                            >it, I'll let you folks see if I've left anything out.

                            Oh no. .. Did you take me seriously? Geez...I'm not that demanding. I found
                            your All Browsers thing wonderful because it illustrated how mixed up
                            things are and I got carried away joking about it. I'm really sorry if you
                            took it as I asked you to really do it. Not to say I don't want to see if
                            you after all do...

                            If I knew a smilie for 'blushing' I would put it here.

                            Lotta
                          • Larry Thomas
                            Hi Lotta, ... Try Can you see the red ears? Regards, Larry larryt@commontech.net
                            Message 13 of 26 , Oct 13, 2000
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                              Hi Lotta,

                              At 09:46 AM 10/13/2000 +0200, you wrote:
                              >Stephen,
                              >
                              >If I knew a smilie for 'blushing' I would put it here.
                              >
                              >Lotta

                              Try <*ê¿ê*>

                              Can you see the red ears?

                              Regards,

                              Larry
                              larryt@...
                            • Stephen Riddle
                              ... . . . ... More to tee hee about. 8-) I knew you were joking, Lotta, I just got into the spirit of the thing. I am working on the clip anyhow. I spent a
                              Message 14 of 26 , Oct 13, 2000
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                                Lotta wrote:

                                > Stephen,
                                >
                                > >I'll get de books an' brainz out an see whut I kin kum up with. When I get
                                > >tired of
                                > >it, I'll let you folks see if I've left anything out.
                                >
                                > Oh no. .. Did you take me seriously? Geez...I'm not that demanding.

                                . . .

                                >
                                > If I knew a smilie for 'blushing' I would put it here.
                                >
                                > Lotta
                                >

                                Larry said:
                                >Try <*ê¿ê*>
                                More to tee hee about. 8-)
                                I knew you were joking, Lotta, I just got into the spirit of the thing. I am
                                working on the clip anyhow. I spent a happy hour or two this morning just
                                figuring out, if I was going to include EVERYTHING in potential HTML, what the
                                nesting order should be. I'm afraid the clip will not be particularly short,
                                because I'm not the best programmer, but I will work on being concise. Who
                                knows, it could actually be a useful clip when all is said and done.
                                Love and all that good stuff,
                                Stephe
                              • Lotta
                                Stephen, ... Oh, good. You had me worried there for a while. I can fold my ears into their normal position then. (*ê¿ê*) Lotta
                                Message 15 of 26 , Oct 13, 2000
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                                  Stephen,

                                  >I knew you were joking, Lotta, I just got into the spirit of the thing.

                                  Oh, good. You had me worried there for a while. I can fold my ears into
                                  their normal position then.

                                  (*ê¿ê*) Lotta
                                • Piotr Bienkowski
                                  ... What you use for ears above according to my locale gets transformed into Polish characters which would be said like: ehwzhehw Have a go at saying it :)
                                  Message 16 of 26 , Oct 14, 2000
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                                    >
                                    > (*ężę*) Lotta

                                    What you use for ears above according to my locale gets transformed into
                                    Polish characters which would be said like: "ehwzhehw"

                                    Have a go at saying it :)

                                    Piotr
                                  • Lotta
                                    Stephen, ... But...I meant a one clicker! He he he! Jokes aside...boy, have you got a lot together. Took a look at Plans . Hope you make it. Eagerly awaiting
                                    Message 17 of 26 , Nov 8, 2000
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                                      Stephen,

                                      >an all-browser, any object, any language, under any
                                      >conditions. . . embedding clip.

                                      But...I'meant a one clicker! He he he!
                                      Jokes aside...boy, have you got a lot together. Took a look at "Plans".
                                      Hope you make it.

                                      Eagerly awaiting the final version,
                                      Lotta
                                    • Stephen Riddle
                                      ... It s taking me a while. Lotta (jokingly, admitedly, but nevertheless) challenged me to write an all-browser, any object, any language, under any
                                      Message 18 of 26 , Nov 8, 2000
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                                        > Hi all,

                                        It's taking me a while. Lotta (jokingly, admitedly, but nevertheless)
                                        challenged me to write an all-browser, any object, any language, under any
                                        conditions. . . embedding clip.
                                        I thought it would be easy. O.K., I thought it would be a learning experience.
                                        Well it is tedious, but I am making head way.
                                        However I'm not done.
                                        For one thing, it is a small clip library.
                                        Since I'm trying to make this one clip do everything, for every html element
                                        included, I'm including every attribute I know about (just about).
                                        Any way, I've zipped up the parts I have working into a library of clips for
                                        the embed, object, applet, param, iframe, layer, ilayer and img elements.
                                        I am including my plan for The All-Inclusive-All-Browser-Embed-Clip
                                        If any one thinks they can use them as they now are, if any one wants to see
                                        what I'm doing and give me comments on the final clip, or if any one just likes
                                        to click on links to see what happens, the zipped file is at:
                                        http://www.blueneptune.com/~stephen/embed.zip.
                                        It won't stay there forever, but if the final humongous clip is a good one,
                                        I'll offer it up to NoteTab's Clip Library Site.
                                        Thanks and happy embedding,
                                        Stephen
                                      • Stephen Riddle
                                        Hi all, I think my power animal is the turtle or the snail! I believe I have finished the embed clip library such as it is. If you want to try it out, it is
                                        Message 19 of 26 , Dec 9, 2000
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                                          Hi all,
                                          I think my power animal is the turtle or the snail!
                                          I believe I have finished the embed clip library such as it is.
                                          If you want to try it out, it is at:
                                          http://www.blueneptune.com/~stephen/embed.zip

                                          I've been testing it til I can't see straight and now can get only about half my
                                          plugins to work on only half my browsers, but I think this seems to be working as a
                                          set of clips.
                                          Lemme know what anyone thinks,
                                          be it comments, compliments or complaints. . .
                                          Thanks all
                                          Stephen
                                        • Lotta
                                          Hi Stephen the turtle , Hey, you ve finished it! Congratulations. Was your post delayed or did I overlook it? Found it some 50 posts back. I just downloaded
                                          Message 20 of 26 , Dec 12, 2000
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                                            Hi Stephen the turtle ,

                                            Hey, you've finished it! Congratulations. Was your post delayed or did I
                                            overlook it? Found it some 50 posts back. I just downloaded and will play
                                            with it later. Oh, thanks for the promotion to Flash expert .<G>

                                            Bye,
                                            Lotta
                                          • Stephen Riddle
                                            Hi Lotta, Thanks for the congrats. . . And yeah, at least you re more expert than me. Probably egroups delayed sending my email to you. I think they have a
                                            Message 21 of 26 , Dec 13, 2000
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                                              Hi Lotta,
                                              Thanks for the congrats. . .
                                              And yeah, at least you're more expert than me.
                                              Probably egroups delayed sending my email to you. I think they have a queue
                                              thing going where not every one gets everything at the same time.
                                              Bye yourself and happy solstice.
                                              Stephen
                                              Lotta wrote:

                                              > Hi Stephen the turtle ,
                                              >
                                              > Hey, you've finished it! Congratulations. Was your post delayed or did I
                                              > overlook it? Found it some 50 posts back. I just downloaded and will play
                                              > with it later. Oh, thanks for the promotion to Flash expert .<G>
                                              >
                                              > Bye,
                                              > Lotta
                                              >
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