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  • rhorbas@gmx.net
    ... Isn t KompoZer still a bit buggy? The latest stable release 0.7.10 is, for me. (I haven t tried the 0.8 betas ...) I find the SeaMonkey Composer component
    Message 1 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
      Greg Chapman wrote:
      > KompoZer is a WYSIWYG editor. It's no different from editing a word
      > processor document. HTML does not come into it!

      Isn't KompoZer still a bit buggy? The latest stable release 0.7.10 is,
      for me. (I haven't tried the 0.8 betas ...)

      I find the SeaMonkey Composer component quite OK, and it supports ftp
      publishing too:
      http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features#composer

      Rudi
    • Axel Berger
      ... I didn t know that, thanks for enlightening me. I ll think about that for future projects. My current script-based approach is fine and very powerful for
      Message 2 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
        rhorbas@... wrote:
        > It's relatively
        > simple to get the fields with, e.g., a php function:

        I didn't know that, thanks for enlightening me. I'll think about that
        for future projects. My current script-based approach is fine and very
        powerful for setting up dozens to hundreds of images in the first place,
        but later corrections of any caption have to be transferred manually to
        four places - or the whole directory set up from scratch again, which is
        less effort with about five or more alterations.

        Axel
      • Greg Chapman
        Hi Rudi, ... I won t pretend that KompoZer is totally bug free, but for the proposed task I do not forsee any problems at all - except for the re-publishing of
        Message 3 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
          Hi Rudi,

          On 19 Nov 10 15:09 rhorbas@... said:
          > Isn't KompoZer still a bit buggy? The latest stable release 0.7.10
          > is, for me. (I haven't tried the 0.8 betas ...)

          I won't pretend that KompoZer is totally bug free, but for the
          proposed task I do not forsee any problems at all - except for the
          re-publishing of a page. The 0.8 betas offer some significant
          improvements and some regressions, but none of these affect the task
          in question.

          > I find the SeaMonkey Composer component quite OK, and it supports
          > ftp publishing too:
          > http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features#composer

          I understand the 0.9 release will incorporate a lot of SeaMonkey code
          but, of course, won't have the overhead of the entire package. There
          is much excitement at this prospect on the WYSIFA forum!

          Greg Chapman
          http://www.gregtutor.plus.com
          Helping new users of KompoZer and The GIMP
        • rhorbas@gmx.net
          Hi Greg, ... My install of 0.7.10 ran pretty unstable with occasional crashes, but I never used it very often: I m missing shortcuts for headings (CTRL+1 for
          Message 4 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
            Hi Greg,

            > On 19 Nov 10 15:09 rhorbas@... said:
            >> Isn't KompoZer still a bit buggy? The latest stable release 0.7.10
            >> is, for me. (I haven't tried the 0.8 betas ...)
            >
            > I won't pretend that KompoZer is totally bug free, but for the
            > proposed task I do not forsee any problems at all

            My install of 0.7.10 ran pretty unstable with occasional crashes, but I
            never used it very often: I'm missing shortcuts for headings (CTRL+1 for
            h1, CTRL+2 for h2, etc.) for quick formatting. Here, my old DreamWeaver
            MX is still unbeaten; but as soon as KompoZer offered me that, I'd
            probably switch.
            (...)
            Oh, nice: I just checked 0.8b3, it runs pretty good. The split WYSIWYG
            and code view is handy, never noticed that before.

            >> I find the SeaMonkey Composer component quite OK, and it supports
            >> ftp publishing too:
            >> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features#composer
            >
            > I understand the 0.9 release will incorporate a lot of SeaMonkey code
            > but, of course, won't have the overhead of the entire package.

            Well, I have SeaMonkey installed anyway, so that's no problem for
            me ... ;-)

            Rudi
          • Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
            Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this so I will not persue it futher. Thanks to all. -Mike ==================== ... -- Morgantown WV
            Message 5 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
              Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this so I will
              not persue it futher.
              Thanks to all.
              -Mike
              ====================

              Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
              > I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
              > http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
              >
              > The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up some
              > way for him to edit the web page directly.
              >
              > Any ideas on this?
              > Thanks,
              > -Mike
              >

              --


              Morgantown WV

              www.EpicRoadTrips.us
            • John Wallace
              I m not that good with clips, etc. but I think that you could add the info to the basic html and then re-upload the html file. Your partial html showing the
              Message 6 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                I'm not that good with clips, etc. but I think that you could add the info to the basic html
                and then re-upload the html file.

                Your partial html showing the pics:

                ==========================
                <!-- ********* PHOTO LINKS START ********* -->

                <a id="photo0000001.jpg" name="photo0000001.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000001.jpg>
                hres/photo0000001.jpg"><img src="
                <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000001.jpg> photo0000001.jpg"
                width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                <p>photo0000001.jpg</p>

                <a id="photo0000002.jpg" name="photo0000002.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000002.jpg>
                hres/photo0000002.jpg"><img src="
                <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000002.jpg> photo0000002.jpg"
                width="350" height="467" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                <p>photo0000002.jpg</p>

                <a id="photo0000003.jpg" name="photo0000003.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000003.jpg>
                hres/photo0000003.jpg"><img src="
                <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000003.jpg> photo0000003.jpg"
                width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                <p>photo0000003.jpg</p>

                <a id="photo0000004.jpg" name="photo0000004.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000004.jpg>
                hres/photo0000004.jpg"><img src="
                <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000004.jpg> photo0000004.jpg"
                width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                <p>photo0000004.jpg</p>


                <a id="photo0000005.jpg" name="photo0000005.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000005.jpg>
                hres/photo0000005.jpg"><img src="
                <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000005.jpg> photo0000005.jpg"
                width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                <p>photo0000005.jpg</p>

                <a id="photo0000006.jpg" name="photo0000006.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000006.jpg>
                hres/photo0000006.jpg"><img src="
                <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000006.jpg> photo0000006.jpg"
                width="350" height="467" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                <p>photo0000006.jpg</p>



                ===========================

                change the a id="photo0000001.jpg" to a id="pic of gas pump" (or whatever)

                You might be able to make a clip asking you what you want to change photo0000001.jpg to.

                John Wallace
                Pontiac Power Rules !!!
                www.wallaceracing.com <http://www.wallaceracing.com/>



                _____

                From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Breiding -
                Morgantown WV
                Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 12:26 PM
                To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [NH] Editing web pages online




                Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this so I will
                not persue it futher.
                Thanks to all.
                -Mike
                ====================

                Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                > I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
                > http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
                >
                > The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up some
                > way for him to edit the web page directly.
                >
                > Any ideas on this?
                > Thanks,
                > -Mike
                >

                --

                Morgantown WV

                www.EpicRoadTrips.us



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              • John Wallace
                Forgot to add that the photo0000001.jpg would be changed also. John Wallace Pontiac Power Rules !!! www.wallaceracing.com
                Message 7 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                  Forgot to add that the <p> photo0000001.jpg</p>
                  would be changed also.

                  John Wallace
                  Pontiac Power Rules !!!
                  www.wallaceracing.com <http://www.wallaceracing.com/>



                  _____

                  From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Wallace
                  Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 12:39 PM
                  To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: RE: [NH] Editing web pages online




                  I'm not that good with clips, etc. but I think that you could add the info to the basic html
                  and then re-upload the html file.

                  Your partial html showing the pics:

                  ==========================
                  <!-- ********* PHOTO LINKS START ********* -->

                  <a id="photo0000001.jpg" name="photo0000001.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000001.jpg>
                  hres/photo0000001.jpg"><img src="
                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000001.jpg> photo0000001.jpg"
                  width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                  <p>photo0000001.jpg</p>

                  <a id="photo0000002.jpg" name="photo0000002.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000002.jpg>
                  hres/photo0000002.jpg"><img src="
                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000002.jpg> photo0000002.jpg"
                  width="350" height="467" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                  <p>photo0000002.jpg</p>

                  <a id="photo0000003.jpg" name="photo0000003.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000003.jpg>
                  hres/photo0000003.jpg"><img src="
                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000003.jpg> photo0000003.jpg"
                  width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                  <p>photo0000003.jpg</p>

                  <a id="photo0000004.jpg" name="photo0000004.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000004.jpg>
                  hres/photo0000004.jpg"><img src="
                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000004.jpg> photo0000004.jpg"
                  width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                  <p>photo0000004.jpg</p>

                  <a id="photo0000005.jpg" name="photo0000005.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000005.jpg>
                  hres/photo0000005.jpg"><img src="
                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000005.jpg> photo0000005.jpg"
                  width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                  <p>photo0000005.jpg</p>

                  <a id="photo0000006.jpg" name="photo0000006.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000006.jpg>
                  hres/photo0000006.jpg"><img src="
                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000006.jpg> photo0000006.jpg"
                  width="350" height="467" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                  <p>photo0000006.jpg</p>

                  ===========================

                  change the a id="photo0000001.jpg" to a id="pic of gas pump" (or whatever)

                  You might be able to make a clip asking you what you want to change photo0000001.jpg to.

                  John Wallace
                  Pontiac Power Rules !!!
                  www.wallaceracing.com <http://www.wallaceracing.com/>



                  _____

                  From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ntb-html%40yahoogroups.com>
                  [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ntb-html%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Mike
                  Breiding -
                  Morgantown WV
                  Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 12:26 PM
                  To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ntb-html%40yahoogroups.com>
                  Subject: Re: [NH] Editing web pages online

                  Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this so I will
                  not persue it futher.
                  Thanks to all.
                  -Mike
                  ====================

                  Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                  > I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
                  > http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
                  >
                  > The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up some
                  > way for him to edit the web page directly.
                  >
                  > Any ideas on this?
                  > Thanks,
                  > -Mike
                  >

                  --

                  Morgantown WV

                  www.EpicRoadTrips.us





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                • jeff
                  Generally there is no edit in place solution. I FTP the website to my computer edit, then FTP back. (Not using the FTP process in Notetab) Jeff ... -- Jeffery
                  Message 8 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                    Generally there is no edit in place solution. I FTP the website to my
                    computer edit, then FTP back. (Not using the FTP process in Notetab)

                    Jeff

                    On 11/19/2010 10:25 AM, Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                    >
                    > Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this so I will
                    > not persue it futher.
                    > Thanks to all.
                    > -Mike
                    > ====================
                    >
                    > Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                    > > I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
                    > > http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
                    > >
                    > > The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up some
                    > > way for him to edit the web page directly.
                    > >
                    > > Any ideas on this?
                    > > Thanks,
                    > > -Mike
                    > >
                    >
                    > --
                    >
                    > Morgantown WV
                    >
                    > www.EpicRoadTrips.us
                    >
                    >

                    --

                    Jeffery Scism, IBSSG




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                  • Axel Berger
                    ... Promising just that has made quite a few people in different areas of enterprise very rich. In my experience things only look easier but in reality become
                    Message 9 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                      Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                      > Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this

                      Promising just that has made quite a few people in different areas of
                      enterprise very rich. In my experience things only look easier but in
                      reality become quite a bit more complicated. There is a reason why I
                      prefer TeX to Office, directly editing the registry to vainly searching
                      ever deeper layers of menues, and NoteTab to all that wysiwyg stuff. The
                      reason is, as my daughter would tell you, that I'm nuts, but then she
                      insists on heaping insult on injury by coming to me of all people for
                      advice about things I do not use, because I find them to complicated for
                      me.

                      That's life
                      Axel
                    • Scott Fordin
                      There are, in fact, several text editors that make it possible to directly edit files over an FTP connection. That said, because this is a NoteTab list, it is
                      Message 10 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                        There are, in fact, several text editors that make it possible to directly edit files over an FTP connection. That said, because this is a NoteTab list, it is in bad taste (and against list guidelines) to recommend products that compete in the same space as NoteTab.

                        Moreover, as previously stated, unless you're using a proper CMS, like Drupal, you're playing with fire if you regularly edit files directly on a website rather than following version control and data backup best practices. But that's just me: a geezer who's arguably OCD when it comes to backing up my work.

                        Scott

                        "jeff" <jeff@...> wrote:

                        >Generally there is no edit in place solution. I FTP the website to my
                        >computer edit, then FTP back. (Not using the FTP process in Notetab)
                        >
                        >Jeff
                        >
                        >On 11/19/2010 10:25 AM, Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                        >>
                        >> Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this so I
                        >will
                        >> not persue it futher.
                        >> Thanks to all.
                        >> -Mike
                        >> ====================
                        >>
                        >> Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                        >> > I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
                        >> > http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
                        >> >
                        >> > The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up
                        >some
                        >> > way for him to edit the web page directly.
                        >> >
                        >> > Any ideas on this?
                        >> > Thanks,
                        >> > -Mike
                        >> >
                        >>
                        >> --
                        >>
                        >> Morgantown WV
                        >>
                        >> www.EpicRoadTrips.us
                        >>
                        >>
                        >
                        >--
                        >
                        >Jeffery Scism, IBSSG
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
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                      • Axel Berger
                        ... In a strict sense you re right of course. On the other hand it is just because we here use powerful tools that we need advice about that GUI junk. I think
                        Message 11 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                          Scott Fordin wrote:
                          > it is in bad taste (and against list guidelines) to recommend
                          > products that compete in the same space as NoteTab.

                          In a strict sense you're right of course. On the other hand it is just
                          because we here use powerful tools that we need advice about that GUI
                          junk. I think cooperation with others, who refuse to use an editor and
                          insist on junk software, is a need more than a few of us will come up
                          against from time time. Then it is in our interest, that these coworkers
                          won't do too much damage to our clean pages.

                          > you're playing with fire if you regularly edit files directly
                          > on a website rather than following version control and data
                          > backup best practices.

                          Unless I'm mistaken Mike probably does the same as I do: Edit all pages
                          locally with backups and then mirror the local folder to the remote
                          site. If so, all the damage some other editor can do, is ruin and
                          destroy all his own work, but all Mike's will still sit there,
                          untouched, on his owen drive, ready to be reuploaded when warranted.
                          If you don't do it this way, Mike, then I agree with Scott and suggest
                          you ought to.

                          Axel
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