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Re: [NH] Editing web pages online

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  • Axel Berger
    ... The canaonic answer to this probably is CMS. I don t like them. The easiest way is to give him FTP access to your site. This will backfire whenever you two
    Message 1 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
      Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
      > asked me to try to set up some
      > way for him to edit the web page directly.

      The canaonic answer to this probably is CMS. I don't like them. The
      easiest way is to give him FTP access to your site. This will backfire
      whenever you two edit and reupload the same file at the same time.

      Axel
    • Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
      ... I have numerous back-ups of the original html, jpg files. I know there is a risk of problems, but, I can t expect them to take HTLM and FTP training in
      Message 2 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
        Greg Chapman wrote:
        > Hi Mike,
        >
        > On 19 Nov 10 14:03 Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
        > <mike@...> said:
        >> This goes beyond what I can expect from the individual who is
        >> providing the captions. They want to add captions "live" while
        >> viewing the web page.
        >
        > Always a dangerous approach, if you ask me. Where is your local
        > backup, if the page is being edited from another location by another
        > person?

        I have numerous back-ups of the original html, jpg files.
        I know there is a risk of problems, but, I can't expect them to take
        HTLM and FTP training in order to do this favor for me.


        Thanks,
        -Mike
        =============

        >
        > It's got to be better to give them a copy of the files. They can then
        > edit and save locally and then upload. At least you have an off-site
        > backup that way.
        >
        > Something like KompoZer ( http://www.kompozer.net ) is an excellent
        > WYSIWYG editor, for helpers who are not too technical, although its
        > publishing module is rather broken, so most on the KompoZer forum (
        > http://wysifauthoring.informe.com/forum/ ) recommend FileZilla or
        > FireFTP (a Firefox extension) for uploading the files.
        >
        > Greg
        >
        >
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      • Axel Berger
        ... That s what i do, but that script is run in Irfanview and NoteTab. A script in the actual page means that all those with scripting off will see no
        Message 3 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
          Rudolf Horbas wrote:
          > I'd save the captions in the image's IPTC fields and get them
          > dynamically by script.

          That's what i do, but that script is run in Irfanview and NoteTab. A
          script in the actual page means that all those with scripting off will
          see no captions. No solution IMHO.

          Axel
        • Dave
          Hi have you thought about putting a small editing text window underneath each image they want to change ? THANKYOU DAVE M ... From: Mike Breiding - Morgantown
          Message 4 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
            Hi
            have you thought about putting a small editing text window underneath each
            image they want to change ?
            THANKYOU DAVE M


            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV" <mike@...>
            To: <ntb-html@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:03 AM
            Subject: Re: [NH] Editing web pages online


            > Rudolf Horbas wrote:
            >> Hi Mike,
            >>
            >>> I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
            >>> http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
            >>>
            >>> The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up some
            >>> way for him to edit the web page directly.
            >>>
            >>> Any ideas on this?
            >>
            >> I'd save the captions in the image's IPTC fields and get them
            >> dynamically by script.
            >
            > This goes beyond what I can expect from the individual who is providing
            > the captions.
            > They want to add captions "live" while viewing the web page.
            >
            > Thanks,
            > -Mike
            >
            >>
            >> That way, one can edit the images on hard disk with Picasa or XnView and
            >> then just upload them.
            >>
            >> And then, there's always a CMS that can provide what you need ...
            >>
            >> Rudi
            >>
            >>
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            >> NoteTab website: http://www.notetab.com/
            >> NoteTab Discussion Lists: http://www.notetab.com/groups.php
            >>
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            >>
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >
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            >
            > Morgantown WV
            >
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          • Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
            ... They have no FTP experience. ... This would not be an issue as I would not rework the page until the file captions were done. Thanks, -Mike ... --
            Message 5 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
              Axel Berger wrote:
              > Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
              >> asked me to try to set up some
              >> way for him to edit the web page directly.
              >
              > The canaonic answer to this probably is CMS. I don't like them.


              >The easiest way is to give him FTP access to your site.
              They have no FTP experience.
              > This will backfire
              > whenever you two edit and reupload the same file at the same time.

              This would not be an issue as I would not rework the page until the file
              captions were done.
              Thanks,
              -Mike

              >
              > Axel

              >
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            • Greg Chapman
              Hi Mike, On 19 Nov 10 14:30 Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV ... You obviously didn t read my message. KompoZer is a WYSIWYG editor. It s no different from
              Message 6 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                Hi Mike,

                On 19 Nov 10 14:30 Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
                <mike@...> said:
                > I can't expect them to take
                > HTLM and FTP training in order to do this favor for me.

                You obviously didn't read my message. KompoZer is a WYSIWYG editor.
                It's no different from editing a word processor document. HTML does
                not come into it!

                FTP training? Are you kidding? How much training does it take to show
                someone how to drag files from one side of a window to another?

                Greg
              • Axel Berger
                ... Never mind, help them set up and use Totalcommander and they won t feel any difference between editing a remote file and a local one. But you also say they
                Message 7 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                  Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                  > They have no FTP experience.

                  Never mind, help them set up and use Totalcommander and they won't feel
                  any difference between editing a remote file and a local one. But you
                  also say they don't know HTML. You could prepare generic content like
                  "capion 1" "caption 2" and have them replace that by other text while
                  leaving surrounding tags intact. If even that were too complicated, then
                  the best and easiest way will be for you to write those captions
                  yourself. CMS and all that comes with it would entail a complete
                  redesign of all your pages from the ground up.

                  Axel
                • Axel Berger
                  ... But what happens then? The content of that editing field will be sent to the server and need to be evaluated by some script or program there. This would
                  Message 8 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                    Dave wrote:
                    > putting a small editing text window underneath each
                    > image they want to change ?

                    But what happens then? The content of that editing field will be sent to
                    the server and need to be evaluated by some script or program there.
                    This would result in Mike having to write some sort of poor man's CMS
                    all by himself. Nice project if you want to learn PHP or some such, but
                    far more effort than help in this case.

                    Axel
                  • rhorbas@gmx.net
                    ... I was talking about server side scripting, of course. Sorry to trip you off with my inaccurate wording. ;-) I use the iptc fields for my private photo
                    Message 9 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                      Axel Berger wrote:
                      > Rudolf Horbas wrote:
                      >> I'd save the captions in the image's IPTC fields and get them
                      >> dynamically by script.
                      >
                      > That's what i do, but that script is run in Irfanview and NoteTab. A
                      > script in the actual page means that all those with scripting off will
                      > see no captions. No solution IMHO.

                      I was talking about server side scripting, of course. Sorry to trip you
                      off with my inaccurate wording. ;-)

                      I use the iptc fields for my private photo archive. It's relatively
                      simple to get the fields with, e.g., a php function:

                      <?php
                      function getIptcNames( $file )
                      {
                      # List of field codes and names:
                      $iptc_names = array(
                      '2#120' => 'Caption',
                      '2#005' => 'Title',
                      '2#105' => 'Headline',
                      '2#055' => 'Creation_Date',
                      '2#080' => 'ByLine',
                      '2#085' => 'ByLine_Title',
                      '2#090' => 'City',
                      '2#095' => 'State',
                      '2#101' => 'Country',
                      // (more deleted)
                      );
                      $info = getimagesize( $file, $extrainfo );
                      if( !$info )
                      {
                      return false;
                      }
                      while( list( $key, $val ) = each( $info ) )
                      {
                      if( isset( $iptc_names[$key] ) )
                      {
                      if( count( $val ) > 1 )
                      {
                      $i = 1;
                      foreach( $val as $val2 )
                      {
                      $iptc_obj->$iptc_names[$key]->$i = $val2;
                      $i++;
                      }
                      }
                      else
                      {
                      $iptc_obj->$iptc_names[$key] = $val[0];
                      }
                      }
                      }
                      return $iptc_obj;
                      }
                      ?>

                      That function can then be used like this:

                      <?php
                      # list of the images
                      $img_arr = array(
                      'photo0000001.jpg',
                      'photo0000002.jpg',
                      'photo0000003.jpg',
                      'photo0000004.jpg',
                      // etc...
                      );
                      $str = '';
                      # walk through image list:
                      foreach( $img_arr as $key => $val )
                      {
                      $iptc_obj = getIptcNames( $val );
                      $str .= '<a id="' . $val . '" name="' . $val . '"> </a>
                      <a href="hres/' . $val . '"><img src="' . $val . '"/></a>
                      <p>' . ( '' != $iptc_obj->Title ? $iptc_obj->Title : $val) .
                      '</p>';
                      }
                      echo $str;
                      ?>

                      The script could also just browse one specific directory for images and
                      get the list from there.

                      Image width and height can also be built dynamically (they're left out
                      in the example).
                      I'd limit the number of images per page though -- for performance
                      reasons, and because the pages are too long anyway.

                      Rudi
                    • rhorbas@gmx.net
                      ... Isn t KompoZer still a bit buggy? The latest stable release 0.7.10 is, for me. (I haven t tried the 0.8 betas ...) I find the SeaMonkey Composer component
                      Message 10 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                        Greg Chapman wrote:
                        > KompoZer is a WYSIWYG editor. It's no different from editing a word
                        > processor document. HTML does not come into it!

                        Isn't KompoZer still a bit buggy? The latest stable release 0.7.10 is,
                        for me. (I haven't tried the 0.8 betas ...)

                        I find the SeaMonkey Composer component quite OK, and it supports ftp
                        publishing too:
                        http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features#composer

                        Rudi
                      • Axel Berger
                        ... I didn t know that, thanks for enlightening me. I ll think about that for future projects. My current script-based approach is fine and very powerful for
                        Message 11 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                          rhorbas@... wrote:
                          > It's relatively
                          > simple to get the fields with, e.g., a php function:

                          I didn't know that, thanks for enlightening me. I'll think about that
                          for future projects. My current script-based approach is fine and very
                          powerful for setting up dozens to hundreds of images in the first place,
                          but later corrections of any caption have to be transferred manually to
                          four places - or the whole directory set up from scratch again, which is
                          less effort with about five or more alterations.

                          Axel
                        • Greg Chapman
                          Hi Rudi, ... I won t pretend that KompoZer is totally bug free, but for the proposed task I do not forsee any problems at all - except for the re-publishing of
                          Message 12 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                            Hi Rudi,

                            On 19 Nov 10 15:09 rhorbas@... said:
                            > Isn't KompoZer still a bit buggy? The latest stable release 0.7.10
                            > is, for me. (I haven't tried the 0.8 betas ...)

                            I won't pretend that KompoZer is totally bug free, but for the
                            proposed task I do not forsee any problems at all - except for the
                            re-publishing of a page. The 0.8 betas offer some significant
                            improvements and some regressions, but none of these affect the task
                            in question.

                            > I find the SeaMonkey Composer component quite OK, and it supports
                            > ftp publishing too:
                            > http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features#composer

                            I understand the 0.9 release will incorporate a lot of SeaMonkey code
                            but, of course, won't have the overhead of the entire package. There
                            is much excitement at this prospect on the WYSIFA forum!

                            Greg Chapman
                            http://www.gregtutor.plus.com
                            Helping new users of KompoZer and The GIMP
                          • rhorbas@gmx.net
                            Hi Greg, ... My install of 0.7.10 ran pretty unstable with occasional crashes, but I never used it very often: I m missing shortcuts for headings (CTRL+1 for
                            Message 13 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                              Hi Greg,

                              > On 19 Nov 10 15:09 rhorbas@... said:
                              >> Isn't KompoZer still a bit buggy? The latest stable release 0.7.10
                              >> is, for me. (I haven't tried the 0.8 betas ...)
                              >
                              > I won't pretend that KompoZer is totally bug free, but for the
                              > proposed task I do not forsee any problems at all

                              My install of 0.7.10 ran pretty unstable with occasional crashes, but I
                              never used it very often: I'm missing shortcuts for headings (CTRL+1 for
                              h1, CTRL+2 for h2, etc.) for quick formatting. Here, my old DreamWeaver
                              MX is still unbeaten; but as soon as KompoZer offered me that, I'd
                              probably switch.
                              (...)
                              Oh, nice: I just checked 0.8b3, it runs pretty good. The split WYSIWYG
                              and code view is handy, never noticed that before.

                              >> I find the SeaMonkey Composer component quite OK, and it supports
                              >> ftp publishing too:
                              >> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features#composer
                              >
                              > I understand the 0.9 release will incorporate a lot of SeaMonkey code
                              > but, of course, won't have the overhead of the entire package.

                              Well, I have SeaMonkey installed anyway, so that's no problem for
                              me ... ;-)

                              Rudi
                            • Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
                              Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this so I will not persue it futher. Thanks to all. -Mike ==================== ... -- Morgantown WV
                              Message 14 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                                Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this so I will
                                not persue it futher.
                                Thanks to all.
                                -Mike
                                ====================

                                Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                                > I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
                                > http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
                                >
                                > The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up some
                                > way for him to edit the web page directly.
                                >
                                > Any ideas on this?
                                > Thanks,
                                > -Mike
                                >

                                --


                                Morgantown WV

                                www.EpicRoadTrips.us
                              • John Wallace
                                I m not that good with clips, etc. but I think that you could add the info to the basic html and then re-upload the html file. Your partial html showing the
                                Message 15 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                                  I'm not that good with clips, etc. but I think that you could add the info to the basic html
                                  and then re-upload the html file.

                                  Your partial html showing the pics:

                                  ==========================
                                  <!-- ********* PHOTO LINKS START ********* -->

                                  <a id="photo0000001.jpg" name="photo0000001.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000001.jpg>
                                  hres/photo0000001.jpg"><img src="
                                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000001.jpg> photo0000001.jpg"
                                  width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                  <p>photo0000001.jpg</p>

                                  <a id="photo0000002.jpg" name="photo0000002.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000002.jpg>
                                  hres/photo0000002.jpg"><img src="
                                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000002.jpg> photo0000002.jpg"
                                  width="350" height="467" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                  <p>photo0000002.jpg</p>

                                  <a id="photo0000003.jpg" name="photo0000003.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000003.jpg>
                                  hres/photo0000003.jpg"><img src="
                                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000003.jpg> photo0000003.jpg"
                                  width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                  <p>photo0000003.jpg</p>

                                  <a id="photo0000004.jpg" name="photo0000004.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000004.jpg>
                                  hres/photo0000004.jpg"><img src="
                                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000004.jpg> photo0000004.jpg"
                                  width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                  <p>photo0000004.jpg</p>


                                  <a id="photo0000005.jpg" name="photo0000005.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000005.jpg>
                                  hres/photo0000005.jpg"><img src="
                                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000005.jpg> photo0000005.jpg"
                                  width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                  <p>photo0000005.jpg</p>

                                  <a id="photo0000006.jpg" name="photo0000006.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000006.jpg>
                                  hres/photo0000006.jpg"><img src="
                                  <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000006.jpg> photo0000006.jpg"
                                  width="350" height="467" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                  <p>photo0000006.jpg</p>



                                  ===========================

                                  change the a id="photo0000001.jpg" to a id="pic of gas pump" (or whatever)

                                  You might be able to make a clip asking you what you want to change photo0000001.jpg to.

                                  John Wallace
                                  Pontiac Power Rules !!!
                                  www.wallaceracing.com <http://www.wallaceracing.com/>



                                  _____

                                  From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Breiding -
                                  Morgantown WV
                                  Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 12:26 PM
                                  To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: Re: [NH] Editing web pages online




                                  Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this so I will
                                  not persue it futher.
                                  Thanks to all.
                                  -Mike
                                  ====================

                                  Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                                  > I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
                                  > http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
                                  >
                                  > The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up some
                                  > way for him to edit the web page directly.
                                  >
                                  > Any ideas on this?
                                  > Thanks,
                                  > -Mike
                                  >

                                  --

                                  Morgantown WV

                                  www.EpicRoadTrips.us



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                                • John Wallace
                                  Forgot to add that the photo0000001.jpg would be changed also. John Wallace Pontiac Power Rules !!! www.wallaceracing.com
                                  Message 16 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                                    Forgot to add that the <p> photo0000001.jpg</p>
                                    would be changed also.

                                    John Wallace
                                    Pontiac Power Rules !!!
                                    www.wallaceracing.com <http://www.wallaceracing.com/>



                                    _____

                                    From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Wallace
                                    Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 12:39 PM
                                    To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: RE: [NH] Editing web pages online




                                    I'm not that good with clips, etc. but I think that you could add the info to the basic html
                                    and then re-upload the html file.

                                    Your partial html showing the pics:

                                    ==========================
                                    <!-- ********* PHOTO LINKS START ********* -->

                                    <a id="photo0000001.jpg" name="photo0000001.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                    <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000001.jpg>
                                    hres/photo0000001.jpg"><img src="
                                    <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000001.jpg> photo0000001.jpg"
                                    width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                    <p>photo0000001.jpg</p>

                                    <a id="photo0000002.jpg" name="photo0000002.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                    <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000002.jpg>
                                    hres/photo0000002.jpg"><img src="
                                    <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000002.jpg> photo0000002.jpg"
                                    width="350" height="467" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                    <p>photo0000002.jpg</p>

                                    <a id="photo0000003.jpg" name="photo0000003.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                    <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000003.jpg>
                                    hres/photo0000003.jpg"><img src="
                                    <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000003.jpg> photo0000003.jpg"
                                    width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                    <p>photo0000003.jpg</p>

                                    <a id="photo0000004.jpg" name="photo0000004.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                    <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000004.jpg>
                                    hres/photo0000004.jpg"><img src="
                                    <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000004.jpg> photo0000004.jpg"
                                    width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                    <p>photo0000004.jpg</p>

                                    <a id="photo0000005.jpg" name="photo0000005.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                    <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000005.jpg>
                                    hres/photo0000005.jpg"><img src="
                                    <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000005.jpg> photo0000005.jpg"
                                    width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                    <p>photo0000005.jpg</p>

                                    <a id="photo0000006.jpg" name="photo0000006.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                    <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000006.jpg>
                                    hres/photo0000006.jpg"><img src="
                                    <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000006.jpg> photo0000006.jpg"
                                    width="350" height="467" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                    <p>photo0000006.jpg</p>

                                    ===========================

                                    change the a id="photo0000001.jpg" to a id="pic of gas pump" (or whatever)

                                    You might be able to make a clip asking you what you want to change photo0000001.jpg to.

                                    John Wallace
                                    Pontiac Power Rules !!!
                                    www.wallaceracing.com <http://www.wallaceracing.com/>



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                                    From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ntb-html%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ntb-html%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Mike
                                    Breiding -
                                    Morgantown WV
                                    Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 12:26 PM
                                    To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ntb-html%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    Subject: Re: [NH] Editing web pages online

                                    Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this so I will
                                    not persue it futher.
                                    Thanks to all.
                                    -Mike
                                    ====================

                                    Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                                    > I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
                                    > http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
                                    >
                                    > The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up some
                                    > way for him to edit the web page directly.
                                    >
                                    > Any ideas on this?
                                    > Thanks,
                                    > -Mike
                                    >

                                    --

                                    Morgantown WV

                                    www.EpicRoadTrips.us





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                                  • jeff
                                    Generally there is no edit in place solution. I FTP the website to my computer edit, then FTP back. (Not using the FTP process in Notetab) Jeff ... -- Jeffery
                                    Message 17 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                                      Generally there is no edit in place solution. I FTP the website to my
                                      computer edit, then FTP back. (Not using the FTP process in Notetab)

                                      Jeff

                                      On 11/19/2010 10:25 AM, Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this so I will
                                      > not persue it futher.
                                      > Thanks to all.
                                      > -Mike
                                      > ====================
                                      >
                                      > Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                                      > > I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
                                      > > http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
                                      > >
                                      > > The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up some
                                      > > way for him to edit the web page directly.
                                      > >
                                      > > Any ideas on this?
                                      > > Thanks,
                                      > > -Mike
                                      > >
                                      >
                                      > --
                                      >
                                      > Morgantown WV
                                      >
                                      > www.EpicRoadTrips.us
                                      >
                                      >

                                      --

                                      Jeffery Scism, IBSSG




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                                    • Axel Berger
                                      ... Promising just that has made quite a few people in different areas of enterprise very rich. In my experience things only look easier but in reality become
                                      Message 18 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                                        Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                                        > Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this

                                        Promising just that has made quite a few people in different areas of
                                        enterprise very rich. In my experience things only look easier but in
                                        reality become quite a bit more complicated. There is a reason why I
                                        prefer TeX to Office, directly editing the registry to vainly searching
                                        ever deeper layers of menues, and NoteTab to all that wysiwyg stuff. The
                                        reason is, as my daughter would tell you, that I'm nuts, but then she
                                        insists on heaping insult on injury by coming to me of all people for
                                        advice about things I do not use, because I find them to complicated for
                                        me.

                                        That's life
                                        Axel
                                      • Scott Fordin
                                        There are, in fact, several text editors that make it possible to directly edit files over an FTP connection. That said, because this is a NoteTab list, it is
                                        Message 19 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                                          There are, in fact, several text editors that make it possible to directly edit files over an FTP connection. That said, because this is a NoteTab list, it is in bad taste (and against list guidelines) to recommend products that compete in the same space as NoteTab.

                                          Moreover, as previously stated, unless you're using a proper CMS, like Drupal, you're playing with fire if you regularly edit files directly on a website rather than following version control and data backup best practices. But that's just me: a geezer who's arguably OCD when it comes to backing up my work.

                                          Scott

                                          "jeff" <jeff@...> wrote:

                                          >Generally there is no edit in place solution. I FTP the website to my
                                          >computer edit, then FTP back. (Not using the FTP process in Notetab)
                                          >
                                          >Jeff
                                          >
                                          >On 11/19/2010 10:25 AM, Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                                          >>
                                          >> Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this so I
                                          >will
                                          >> not persue it futher.
                                          >> Thanks to all.
                                          >> -Mike
                                          >> ====================
                                          >>
                                          >> Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                                          >> > I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
                                          >> > http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
                                          >> >
                                          >> > The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up
                                          >some
                                          >> > way for him to edit the web page directly.
                                          >> >
                                          >> > Any ideas on this?
                                          >> > Thanks,
                                          >> > -Mike
                                          >> >
                                          >>
                                          >> --
                                          >>
                                          >> Morgantown WV
                                          >>
                                          >> www.EpicRoadTrips.us
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >
                                          >--
                                          >
                                          >Jeffery Scism, IBSSG
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
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                                        • Axel Berger
                                          ... In a strict sense you re right of course. On the other hand it is just because we here use powerful tools that we need advice about that GUI junk. I think
                                          Message 20 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
                                            Scott Fordin wrote:
                                            > it is in bad taste (and against list guidelines) to recommend
                                            > products that compete in the same space as NoteTab.

                                            In a strict sense you're right of course. On the other hand it is just
                                            because we here use powerful tools that we need advice about that GUI
                                            junk. I think cooperation with others, who refuse to use an editor and
                                            insist on junk software, is a need more than a few of us will come up
                                            against from time time. Then it is in our interest, that these coworkers
                                            won't do too much damage to our clean pages.

                                            > you're playing with fire if you regularly edit files directly
                                            > on a website rather than following version control and data
                                            > backup best practices.

                                            Unless I'm mistaken Mike probably does the same as I do: Edit all pages
                                            locally with backups and then mirror the local folder to the remote
                                            site. If so, all the damage some other editor can do, is ruin and
                                            destroy all his own work, but all Mike's will still sit there,
                                            untouched, on his owen drive, ready to be reuploaded when warranted.
                                            If you don't do it this way, Mike, then I agree with Scott and suggest
                                            you ought to.

                                            Axel
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