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  • Rudolf Horbas
    Hi Mike, ... I d save the captions in the image s IPTC fields and get them dynamically by script. That way, one can edit the images on hard disk with Picasa or
    Message 1 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
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      Hi Mike,

      > I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
      > http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
      >
      > The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up some
      > way for him to edit the web page directly.
      >
      > Any ideas on this?

      I'd save the captions in the image's IPTC fields and get them
      dynamically by script.

      That way, one can edit the images on hard disk with Picasa or XnView and
      then just upload them.

      And then, there's always a CMS that can provide what you need ...

      Rudi
    • Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
      ... This goes beyond what I can expect from the individual who is providing the captions. They want to add captions live while viewing the web page. Thanks,
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        Rudolf Horbas wrote:
        > Hi Mike,
        >
        >> I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
        >> http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
        >>
        >> The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up some
        >> way for him to edit the web page directly.
        >>
        >> Any ideas on this?
        >
        > I'd save the captions in the image's IPTC fields and get them
        > dynamically by script.

        This goes beyond what I can expect from the individual who is providing
        the captions.
        They want to add captions "live" while viewing the web page.

        Thanks,
        -Mike

        >
        > That way, one can edit the images on hard disk with Picasa or XnView and
        > then just upload them.
        >
        > And then, there's always a CMS that can provide what you need ...
        >
        > Rudi
        >
        >
        > ------------------------------------
        >
        > Fookes Software: http://www.fookes.com/
        > NoteTab website: http://www.notetab.com/
        > NoteTab Discussion Lists: http://www.notetab.com/groups.php
        >
        > ***
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        >
        >
        >
        >
        >

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      • Greg Chapman
        Hi Mike, On 19 Nov 10 14:03 Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV ... Always a dangerous approach, if you ask me. Where is your local backup, if the page is being
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          Hi Mike,

          On 19 Nov 10 14:03 Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
          <mike@...> said:
          > This goes beyond what I can expect from the individual who is
          > providing the captions. They want to add captions "live" while
          > viewing the web page.

          Always a dangerous approach, if you ask me. Where is your local
          backup, if the page is being edited from another location by another
          person?

          It's got to be better to give them a copy of the files. They can then
          edit and save locally and then upload. At least you have an off-site
          backup that way.

          Something like KompoZer ( http://www.kompozer.net ) is an excellent
          WYSIWYG editor, for helpers who are not too technical, although its
          publishing module is rather broken, so most on the KompoZer forum (
          http://wysifauthoring.informe.com/forum/ ) recommend FileZilla or
          FireFTP (a Firefox extension) for uploading the files.

          Greg
        • Axel Berger
          ... The canaonic answer to this probably is CMS. I don t like them. The easiest way is to give him FTP access to your site. This will backfire whenever you two
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            Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
            > asked me to try to set up some
            > way for him to edit the web page directly.

            The canaonic answer to this probably is CMS. I don't like them. The
            easiest way is to give him FTP access to your site. This will backfire
            whenever you two edit and reupload the same file at the same time.

            Axel
          • Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
            ... I have numerous back-ups of the original html, jpg files. I know there is a risk of problems, but, I can t expect them to take HTLM and FTP training in
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              Greg Chapman wrote:
              > Hi Mike,
              >
              > On 19 Nov 10 14:03 Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
              > <mike@...> said:
              >> This goes beyond what I can expect from the individual who is
              >> providing the captions. They want to add captions "live" while
              >> viewing the web page.
              >
              > Always a dangerous approach, if you ask me. Where is your local
              > backup, if the page is being edited from another location by another
              > person?

              I have numerous back-ups of the original html, jpg files.
              I know there is a risk of problems, but, I can't expect them to take
              HTLM and FTP training in order to do this favor for me.


              Thanks,
              -Mike
              =============

              >
              > It's got to be better to give them a copy of the files. They can then
              > edit and save locally and then upload. At least you have an off-site
              > backup that way.
              >
              > Something like KompoZer ( http://www.kompozer.net ) is an excellent
              > WYSIWYG editor, for helpers who are not too technical, although its
              > publishing module is rather broken, so most on the KompoZer forum (
              > http://wysifauthoring.informe.com/forum/ ) recommend FileZilla or
              > FireFTP (a Firefox extension) for uploading the files.
              >
              > Greg
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------
              >
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              > NoteTab website: http://www.notetab.com/
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              >
              >
              >
              >
              >

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            • Axel Berger
              ... That s what i do, but that script is run in Irfanview and NoteTab. A script in the actual page means that all those with scripting off will see no
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                Rudolf Horbas wrote:
                > I'd save the captions in the image's IPTC fields and get them
                > dynamically by script.

                That's what i do, but that script is run in Irfanview and NoteTab. A
                script in the actual page means that all those with scripting off will
                see no captions. No solution IMHO.

                Axel
              • Dave
                Hi have you thought about putting a small editing text window underneath each image they want to change ? THANKYOU DAVE M ... From: Mike Breiding - Morgantown
                Message 7 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
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                  Hi
                  have you thought about putting a small editing text window underneath each
                  image they want to change ?
                  THANKYOU DAVE M


                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV" <mike@...>
                  To: <ntb-html@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:03 AM
                  Subject: Re: [NH] Editing web pages online


                  > Rudolf Horbas wrote:
                  >> Hi Mike,
                  >>
                  >>> I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
                  >>> http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
                  >>>
                  >>> The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up some
                  >>> way for him to edit the web page directly.
                  >>>
                  >>> Any ideas on this?
                  >>
                  >> I'd save the captions in the image's IPTC fields and get them
                  >> dynamically by script.
                  >
                  > This goes beyond what I can expect from the individual who is providing
                  > the captions.
                  > They want to add captions "live" while viewing the web page.
                  >
                  > Thanks,
                  > -Mike
                  >
                  >>
                  >> That way, one can edit the images on hard disk with Picasa or XnView and
                  >> then just upload them.
                  >>
                  >> And then, there's always a CMS that can provide what you need ...
                  >>
                  >> Rudi
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> ------------------------------------
                  >>
                  >> Fookes Software: http://www.fookes.com/
                  >> NoteTab website: http://www.notetab.com/
                  >> NoteTab Discussion Lists: http://www.notetab.com/groups.php
                  >>
                  >> ***
                  >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >
                  > --
                  >
                  >
                  > Morgantown WV
                  >
                  > www.EpicRoadTrips.us
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > ------------------------------------
                  >
                  > Fookes Software: http://www.fookes.com/
                  > NoteTab website: http://www.notetab.com/
                  > NoteTab Discussion Lists: http://www.notetab.com/groups.php
                  >
                  > ***
                  > Yahoo! Groups Links
                  >
                  >
                  >
                • Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
                  ... They have no FTP experience. ... This would not be an issue as I would not rework the page until the file captions were done. Thanks, -Mike ... --
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                    Axel Berger wrote:
                    > Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                    >> asked me to try to set up some
                    >> way for him to edit the web page directly.
                    >
                    > The canaonic answer to this probably is CMS. I don't like them.


                    >The easiest way is to give him FTP access to your site.
                    They have no FTP experience.
                    > This will backfire
                    > whenever you two edit and reupload the same file at the same time.

                    This would not be an issue as I would not rework the page until the file
                    captions were done.
                    Thanks,
                    -Mike

                    >
                    > Axel

                    >
                    > ------------------------------------
                    >
                    > Fookes Software: http://www.fookes.com/
                    > NoteTab website: http://www.notetab.com/
                    > NoteTab Discussion Lists: http://www.notetab.com/groups.php
                    >
                    > ***
                    > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >

                    --


                    Morgantown WV

                    www.EpicRoadTrips.us
                  • Greg Chapman
                    Hi Mike, On 19 Nov 10 14:30 Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV ... You obviously didn t read my message. KompoZer is a WYSIWYG editor. It s no different from
                    Message 9 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
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                      Hi Mike,

                      On 19 Nov 10 14:30 Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
                      <mike@...> said:
                      > I can't expect them to take
                      > HTLM and FTP training in order to do this favor for me.

                      You obviously didn't read my message. KompoZer is a WYSIWYG editor.
                      It's no different from editing a word processor document. HTML does
                      not come into it!

                      FTP training? Are you kidding? How much training does it take to show
                      someone how to drag files from one side of a window to another?

                      Greg
                    • Axel Berger
                      ... Never mind, help them set up and use Totalcommander and they won t feel any difference between editing a remote file and a local one. But you also say they
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                        Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                        > They have no FTP experience.

                        Never mind, help them set up and use Totalcommander and they won't feel
                        any difference between editing a remote file and a local one. But you
                        also say they don't know HTML. You could prepare generic content like
                        "capion 1" "caption 2" and have them replace that by other text while
                        leaving surrounding tags intact. If even that were too complicated, then
                        the best and easiest way will be for you to write those captions
                        yourself. CMS and all that comes with it would entail a complete
                        redesign of all your pages from the ground up.

                        Axel
                      • Axel Berger
                        ... But what happens then? The content of that editing field will be sent to the server and need to be evaluated by some script or program there. This would
                        Message 11 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
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                          Dave wrote:
                          > putting a small editing text window underneath each
                          > image they want to change ?

                          But what happens then? The content of that editing field will be sent to
                          the server and need to be evaluated by some script or program there.
                          This would result in Mike having to write some sort of poor man's CMS
                          all by himself. Nice project if you want to learn PHP or some such, but
                          far more effort than help in this case.

                          Axel
                        • rhorbas@gmx.net
                          ... I was talking about server side scripting, of course. Sorry to trip you off with my inaccurate wording. ;-) I use the iptc fields for my private photo
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                            Axel Berger wrote:
                            > Rudolf Horbas wrote:
                            >> I'd save the captions in the image's IPTC fields and get them
                            >> dynamically by script.
                            >
                            > That's what i do, but that script is run in Irfanview and NoteTab. A
                            > script in the actual page means that all those with scripting off will
                            > see no captions. No solution IMHO.

                            I was talking about server side scripting, of course. Sorry to trip you
                            off with my inaccurate wording. ;-)

                            I use the iptc fields for my private photo archive. It's relatively
                            simple to get the fields with, e.g., a php function:

                            <?php
                            function getIptcNames( $file )
                            {
                            # List of field codes and names:
                            $iptc_names = array(
                            '2#120' => 'Caption',
                            '2#005' => 'Title',
                            '2#105' => 'Headline',
                            '2#055' => 'Creation_Date',
                            '2#080' => 'ByLine',
                            '2#085' => 'ByLine_Title',
                            '2#090' => 'City',
                            '2#095' => 'State',
                            '2#101' => 'Country',
                            // (more deleted)
                            );
                            $info = getimagesize( $file, $extrainfo );
                            if( !$info )
                            {
                            return false;
                            }
                            while( list( $key, $val ) = each( $info ) )
                            {
                            if( isset( $iptc_names[$key] ) )
                            {
                            if( count( $val ) > 1 )
                            {
                            $i = 1;
                            foreach( $val as $val2 )
                            {
                            $iptc_obj->$iptc_names[$key]->$i = $val2;
                            $i++;
                            }
                            }
                            else
                            {
                            $iptc_obj->$iptc_names[$key] = $val[0];
                            }
                            }
                            }
                            return $iptc_obj;
                            }
                            ?>

                            That function can then be used like this:

                            <?php
                            # list of the images
                            $img_arr = array(
                            'photo0000001.jpg',
                            'photo0000002.jpg',
                            'photo0000003.jpg',
                            'photo0000004.jpg',
                            // etc...
                            );
                            $str = '';
                            # walk through image list:
                            foreach( $img_arr as $key => $val )
                            {
                            $iptc_obj = getIptcNames( $val );
                            $str .= '<a id="' . $val . '" name="' . $val . '"> </a>
                            <a href="hres/' . $val . '"><img src="' . $val . '"/></a>
                            <p>' . ( '' != $iptc_obj->Title ? $iptc_obj->Title : $val) .
                            '</p>';
                            }
                            echo $str;
                            ?>

                            The script could also just browse one specific directory for images and
                            get the list from there.

                            Image width and height can also be built dynamically (they're left out
                            in the example).
                            I'd limit the number of images per page though -- for performance
                            reasons, and because the pages are too long anyway.

                            Rudi
                          • rhorbas@gmx.net
                            ... Isn t KompoZer still a bit buggy? The latest stable release 0.7.10 is, for me. (I haven t tried the 0.8 betas ...) I find the SeaMonkey Composer component
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                              Greg Chapman wrote:
                              > KompoZer is a WYSIWYG editor. It's no different from editing a word
                              > processor document. HTML does not come into it!

                              Isn't KompoZer still a bit buggy? The latest stable release 0.7.10 is,
                              for me. (I haven't tried the 0.8 betas ...)

                              I find the SeaMonkey Composer component quite OK, and it supports ftp
                              publishing too:
                              http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features#composer

                              Rudi
                            • Axel Berger
                              ... I didn t know that, thanks for enlightening me. I ll think about that for future projects. My current script-based approach is fine and very powerful for
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                                rhorbas@... wrote:
                                > It's relatively
                                > simple to get the fields with, e.g., a php function:

                                I didn't know that, thanks for enlightening me. I'll think about that
                                for future projects. My current script-based approach is fine and very
                                powerful for setting up dozens to hundreds of images in the first place,
                                but later corrections of any caption have to be transferred manually to
                                four places - or the whole directory set up from scratch again, which is
                                less effort with about five or more alterations.

                                Axel
                              • Greg Chapman
                                Hi Rudi, ... I won t pretend that KompoZer is totally bug free, but for the proposed task I do not forsee any problems at all - except for the re-publishing of
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                                  Hi Rudi,

                                  On 19 Nov 10 15:09 rhorbas@... said:
                                  > Isn't KompoZer still a bit buggy? The latest stable release 0.7.10
                                  > is, for me. (I haven't tried the 0.8 betas ...)

                                  I won't pretend that KompoZer is totally bug free, but for the
                                  proposed task I do not forsee any problems at all - except for the
                                  re-publishing of a page. The 0.8 betas offer some significant
                                  improvements and some regressions, but none of these affect the task
                                  in question.

                                  > I find the SeaMonkey Composer component quite OK, and it supports
                                  > ftp publishing too:
                                  > http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features#composer

                                  I understand the 0.9 release will incorporate a lot of SeaMonkey code
                                  but, of course, won't have the overhead of the entire package. There
                                  is much excitement at this prospect on the WYSIFA forum!

                                  Greg Chapman
                                  http://www.gregtutor.plus.com
                                  Helping new users of KompoZer and The GIMP
                                • rhorbas@gmx.net
                                  Hi Greg, ... My install of 0.7.10 ran pretty unstable with occasional crashes, but I never used it very often: I m missing shortcuts for headings (CTRL+1 for
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                                    Hi Greg,

                                    > On 19 Nov 10 15:09 rhorbas@... said:
                                    >> Isn't KompoZer still a bit buggy? The latest stable release 0.7.10
                                    >> is, for me. (I haven't tried the 0.8 betas ...)
                                    >
                                    > I won't pretend that KompoZer is totally bug free, but for the
                                    > proposed task I do not forsee any problems at all

                                    My install of 0.7.10 ran pretty unstable with occasional crashes, but I
                                    never used it very often: I'm missing shortcuts for headings (CTRL+1 for
                                    h1, CTRL+2 for h2, etc.) for quick formatting. Here, my old DreamWeaver
                                    MX is still unbeaten; but as soon as KompoZer offered me that, I'd
                                    probably switch.
                                    (...)
                                    Oh, nice: I just checked 0.8b3, it runs pretty good. The split WYSIWYG
                                    and code view is handy, never noticed that before.

                                    >> I find the SeaMonkey Composer component quite OK, and it supports
                                    >> ftp publishing too:
                                    >> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features#composer
                                    >
                                    > I understand the 0.9 release will incorporate a lot of SeaMonkey code
                                    > but, of course, won't have the overhead of the entire package.

                                    Well, I have SeaMonkey installed anyway, so that's no problem for
                                    me ... ;-)

                                    Rudi
                                  • Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
                                    Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this so I will not persue it futher. Thanks to all. -Mike ==================== ... -- Morgantown WV
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                                      Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this so I will
                                      not persue it futher.
                                      Thanks to all.
                                      -Mike
                                      ====================

                                      Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                                      > I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
                                      > http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
                                      >
                                      > The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up some
                                      > way for him to edit the web page directly.
                                      >
                                      > Any ideas on this?
                                      > Thanks,
                                      > -Mike
                                      >

                                      --


                                      Morgantown WV

                                      www.EpicRoadTrips.us
                                    • John Wallace
                                      I m not that good with clips, etc. but I think that you could add the info to the basic html and then re-upload the html file. Your partial html showing the
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                                        I'm not that good with clips, etc. but I think that you could add the info to the basic html
                                        and then re-upload the html file.

                                        Your partial html showing the pics:

                                        ==========================
                                        <!-- ********* PHOTO LINKS START ********* -->

                                        <a id="photo0000001.jpg" name="photo0000001.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                        <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000001.jpg>
                                        hres/photo0000001.jpg"><img src="
                                        <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000001.jpg> photo0000001.jpg"
                                        width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                        <p>photo0000001.jpg</p>

                                        <a id="photo0000002.jpg" name="photo0000002.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                        <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000002.jpg>
                                        hres/photo0000002.jpg"><img src="
                                        <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000002.jpg> photo0000002.jpg"
                                        width="350" height="467" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                        <p>photo0000002.jpg</p>

                                        <a id="photo0000003.jpg" name="photo0000003.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                        <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000003.jpg>
                                        hres/photo0000003.jpg"><img src="
                                        <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000003.jpg> photo0000003.jpg"
                                        width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                        <p>photo0000003.jpg</p>

                                        <a id="photo0000004.jpg" name="photo0000004.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                        <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000004.jpg>
                                        hres/photo0000004.jpg"><img src="
                                        <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000004.jpg> photo0000004.jpg"
                                        width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                        <p>photo0000004.jpg</p>


                                        <a id="photo0000005.jpg" name="photo0000005.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                        <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000005.jpg>
                                        hres/photo0000005.jpg"><img src="
                                        <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000005.jpg> photo0000005.jpg"
                                        width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                        <p>photo0000005.jpg</p>

                                        <a id="photo0000006.jpg" name="photo0000006.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                        <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000006.jpg>
                                        hres/photo0000006.jpg"><img src="
                                        <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000006.jpg> photo0000006.jpg"
                                        width="350" height="467" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                        <p>photo0000006.jpg</p>



                                        ===========================

                                        change the a id="photo0000001.jpg" to a id="pic of gas pump" (or whatever)

                                        You might be able to make a clip asking you what you want to change photo0000001.jpg to.

                                        John Wallace
                                        Pontiac Power Rules !!!
                                        www.wallaceracing.com <http://www.wallaceracing.com/>



                                        _____

                                        From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Breiding -
                                        Morgantown WV
                                        Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 12:26 PM
                                        To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: Re: [NH] Editing web pages online




                                        Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this so I will
                                        not persue it futher.
                                        Thanks to all.
                                        -Mike
                                        ====================

                                        Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                                        > I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
                                        > http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
                                        >
                                        > The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up some
                                        > way for him to edit the web page directly.
                                        >
                                        > Any ideas on this?
                                        > Thanks,
                                        > -Mike
                                        >

                                        --

                                        Morgantown WV

                                        www.EpicRoadTrips.us



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                                      • John Wallace
                                        Forgot to add that the photo0000001.jpg would be changed also. John Wallace Pontiac Power Rules !!! www.wallaceracing.com
                                        Message 19 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
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                                          Forgot to add that the <p> photo0000001.jpg</p>
                                          would be changed also.

                                          John Wallace
                                          Pontiac Power Rules !!!
                                          www.wallaceracing.com <http://www.wallaceracing.com/>



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                                          From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Wallace
                                          Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 12:39 PM
                                          To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: RE: [NH] Editing web pages online




                                          I'm not that good with clips, etc. but I think that you could add the info to the basic html
                                          and then re-upload the html file.

                                          Your partial html showing the pics:

                                          ==========================
                                          <!-- ********* PHOTO LINKS START ********* -->

                                          <a id="photo0000001.jpg" name="photo0000001.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                          <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000001.jpg>
                                          hres/photo0000001.jpg"><img src="
                                          <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000001.jpg> photo0000001.jpg"
                                          width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                          <p>photo0000001.jpg</p>

                                          <a id="photo0000002.jpg" name="photo0000002.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                          <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000002.jpg>
                                          hres/photo0000002.jpg"><img src="
                                          <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000002.jpg> photo0000002.jpg"
                                          width="350" height="467" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                          <p>photo0000002.jpg</p>

                                          <a id="photo0000003.jpg" name="photo0000003.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                          <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000003.jpg>
                                          hres/photo0000003.jpg"><img src="
                                          <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000003.jpg> photo0000003.jpg"
                                          width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                          <p>photo0000003.jpg</p>

                                          <a id="photo0000004.jpg" name="photo0000004.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                          <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000004.jpg>
                                          hres/photo0000004.jpg"><img src="
                                          <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000004.jpg> photo0000004.jpg"
                                          width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                          <p>photo0000004.jpg</p>

                                          <a id="photo0000005.jpg" name="photo0000005.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                          <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000005.jpg>
                                          hres/photo0000005.jpg"><img src="
                                          <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000005.jpg> photo0000005.jpg"
                                          width="550" height="412" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                          <p>photo0000005.jpg</p>

                                          <a id="photo0000006.jpg" name="photo0000006.jpg"> </a> <a href="
                                          <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/hres/photo0000006.jpg>
                                          hres/photo0000006.jpg"><img src="
                                          <view-source:http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/photo0000006.jpg> photo0000006.jpg"
                                          width="350" height="467" title="Click for larger image" alt="Click for larger image" /></a>

                                          <p>photo0000006.jpg</p>

                                          ===========================

                                          change the a id="photo0000001.jpg" to a id="pic of gas pump" (or whatever)

                                          You might be able to make a clip asking you what you want to change photo0000001.jpg to.

                                          John Wallace
                                          Pontiac Power Rules !!!
                                          www.wallaceracing.com <http://www.wallaceracing.com/>



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                                          [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ntb-html%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Mike
                                          Breiding -
                                          Morgantown WV
                                          Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 12:26 PM
                                          To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ntb-html%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          Subject: Re: [NH] Editing web pages online

                                          Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this so I will
                                          not persue it futher.
                                          Thanks to all.
                                          -Mike
                                          ====================

                                          Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                                          > I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
                                          > http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
                                          >
                                          > The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up some
                                          > way for him to edit the web page directly.
                                          >
                                          > Any ideas on this?
                                          > Thanks,
                                          > -Mike
                                          >

                                          --

                                          Morgantown WV

                                          www.EpicRoadTrips.us





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                                        • jeff
                                          Generally there is no edit in place solution. I FTP the website to my computer edit, then FTP back. (Not using the FTP process in Notetab) Jeff ... -- Jeffery
                                          Message 20 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
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                                            Generally there is no edit in place solution. I FTP the website to my
                                            computer edit, then FTP back. (Not using the FTP process in Notetab)

                                            Jeff

                                            On 11/19/2010 10:25 AM, Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                                            >
                                            > Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this so I will
                                            > not persue it futher.
                                            > Thanks to all.
                                            > -Mike
                                            > ====================
                                            >
                                            > Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                                            > > I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
                                            > > http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
                                            > >
                                            > > The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up some
                                            > > way for him to edit the web page directly.
                                            > >
                                            > > Any ideas on this?
                                            > > Thanks,
                                            > > -Mike
                                            > >
                                            >
                                            > --
                                            >
                                            > Morgantown WV
                                            >
                                            > www.EpicRoadTrips.us
                                            >
                                            >

                                            --

                                            Jeffery Scism, IBSSG




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                                          • Axel Berger
                                            ... Promising just that has made quite a few people in different areas of enterprise very rich. In my experience things only look easier but in reality become
                                            Message 21 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
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                                              Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                                              > Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this

                                              Promising just that has made quite a few people in different areas of
                                              enterprise very rich. In my experience things only look easier but in
                                              reality become quite a bit more complicated. There is a reason why I
                                              prefer TeX to Office, directly editing the registry to vainly searching
                                              ever deeper layers of menues, and NoteTab to all that wysiwyg stuff. The
                                              reason is, as my daughter would tell you, that I'm nuts, but then she
                                              insists on heaping insult on injury by coming to me of all people for
                                              advice about things I do not use, because I find them to complicated for
                                              me.

                                              That's life
                                              Axel
                                            • Scott Fordin
                                              There are, in fact, several text editors that make it possible to directly edit files over an FTP connection. That said, because this is a NoteTab list, it is
                                              Message 22 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
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                                                There are, in fact, several text editors that make it possible to directly edit files over an FTP connection. That said, because this is a NoteTab list, it is in bad taste (and against list guidelines) to recommend products that compete in the same space as NoteTab.

                                                Moreover, as previously stated, unless you're using a proper CMS, like Drupal, you're playing with fire if you regularly edit files directly on a website rather than following version control and data backup best practices. But that's just me: a geezer who's arguably OCD when it comes to backing up my work.

                                                Scott

                                                "jeff" <jeff@...> wrote:

                                                >Generally there is no edit in place solution. I FTP the website to my
                                                >computer edit, then FTP back. (Not using the FTP process in Notetab)
                                                >
                                                >Jeff
                                                >
                                                >On 11/19/2010 10:25 AM, Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                                                >>
                                                >> Looks like there is no idiot proof, no brainer way to do this so I
                                                >will
                                                >> not persue it futher.
                                                >> Thanks to all.
                                                >> -Mike
                                                >> ====================
                                                >>
                                                >> Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                                                >> > I have hundreds of photos that need captions written:
                                                >> > http://epicroadtrips.us/2010/spain/d2/ and d3, d4, etc.
                                                >> >
                                                >> > The person who is writing the captions asked me to try to set up
                                                >some
                                                >> > way for him to edit the web page directly.
                                                >> >
                                                >> > Any ideas on this?
                                                >> > Thanks,
                                                >> > -Mike
                                                >> >
                                                >>
                                                >> --
                                                >>
                                                >> Morgantown WV
                                                >>
                                                >> www.EpicRoadTrips.us
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >
                                                >--
                                                >
                                                >Jeffery Scism, IBSSG
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
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                                              • Axel Berger
                                                ... In a strict sense you re right of course. On the other hand it is just because we here use powerful tools that we need advice about that GUI junk. I think
                                                Message 23 of 24 , Nov 19, 2010
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                                                  Scott Fordin wrote:
                                                  > it is in bad taste (and against list guidelines) to recommend
                                                  > products that compete in the same space as NoteTab.

                                                  In a strict sense you're right of course. On the other hand it is just
                                                  because we here use powerful tools that we need advice about that GUI
                                                  junk. I think cooperation with others, who refuse to use an editor and
                                                  insist on junk software, is a need more than a few of us will come up
                                                  against from time time. Then it is in our interest, that these coworkers
                                                  won't do too much damage to our clean pages.

                                                  > you're playing with fire if you regularly edit files directly
                                                  > on a website rather than following version control and data
                                                  > backup best practices.

                                                  Unless I'm mistaken Mike probably does the same as I do: Edit all pages
                                                  locally with backups and then mirror the local folder to the remote
                                                  site. If so, all the damage some other editor can do, is ruin and
                                                  destroy all his own work, but all Mike's will still sit there,
                                                  untouched, on his owen drive, ready to be reuploaded when warranted.
                                                  If you don't do it this way, Mike, then I agree with Scott and suggest
                                                  you ought to.

                                                  Axel
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