Re: [NH] Open a Folder of PDF files
- Interviewed by CNN on 2/6/2009 09:25, Ray Shapp told the world:
> that single click and spawn a dozen downloads from it. Of course, that means
> have about 200 people in the club, and a good many of them are real computer
> novices. My guess is that half of them would be intimidated by the simple
> question, "Is Java enabled?". I'm sure many members do not have Java enabled.
> They and others would resist making any changes.
while Java is (in most cases) an external plugin. They have little in
common besides the name.
disable it to avoid annoying ads, or because of security concerns. Some
will use some sort of tool to enable/disable it in a site-by-site basis.
Those are not your problem, though; they usually can figure it by
themselves, with a bit of warning from you (in the form of warnings,
particularly using the <noscript> element).
almost-as-newbie second cousin told him it was "a bad thing." They won't
be able to download the things, and will blame you. Best thing in this
case would be figure out some sort of alternate download page that will
> Marcelo also said, "I would prefer doing an online version in HTML and, fromWell, you could just as well open the HTML in your browser and "print"
> that, generate a downloadable full version in PDF. Online PDF is... well,
> dreadful." I don't understand how one would generate a PDF file from an HTML
> document. I currently compose the newsletter in MS Word and "print" it to PDF.
> I also don't know why you say online PDF is dreadful. The versions of the
> Adobe Reader from number 7 onward have much improved text and graphics copying
> capability and they also run faster than the older versions. After I spend
> hours precisely formatting tables and mathematical equations, I appreciate the
> fact that the reader can't destroy my work.
it to PDF, the same way you do with Word. It would take some
experimenting, sure, but it can be done.
When I call online PDF "dreadful", I refer not to the presentation, but
to the experience: pages take a long time to load, they don't behave
like other web pages, don't adjust to the size of the browser window,
are generally slow...
But in fact you apparently have one good reason to stay with PDF: math
equations. These are hard to do well in HTML -- there is a standard for
it (MathML) but it's poorly supported, so not a solution for you. No, to
bring your equations to HTML you would have to first convert them to
images, which is an extra step. So, I think in your particular case, you
are better off with PDF, despite its shortcomings.
When you learn to distinguish between the container and the contents,
you will have attained wisdom. - Idries Shah
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- Hi Marcelo,
Yes, that was a slip of the (figurative) tongue.
<<When I call online PDF "dreadful", I refer not to the presentation, but to
Thanks for the replies.
- Marcelo Bastos wrote:
> When I call online PDF "dreadful", I refer not to theMay I offer the following rule of thumb:
> presentation, but to the experience:
If the document is meant to be loaded down, archived and read at
another time at the reader's discretion, go for PDF.
If you expect the reader to just read it online, scan it (in the
human, not the technical sense), and continue browsing, probably
along links provided in the text, then go for HTML every time.
For that reason I offer lists of literature used and cited in both
formats, which is easy as both are generated automatically out of a
- Hi Axel,
Thanks for your valuable rule of thumb.
You make a good point about the disparate ways in which my users interact with
the newsletter. If I can't find a way to store only one copy of the content
each month and if I can't find a less labor-intensive way of editing the
product, I will probably drop this question and continue with the methods with
which I am familiar and with which my readers are comfortable.
Also, I may need to stick with the current method because I don't see any
solution to the problems with citations if the articles are not presented in a
traditional newsletter format. Currently one can refer to a graph or a passage
or any other part of an article by citing only the issue date and page number.
If the articles are in separate files (of whatever format), they will not have
consecutive pagination from one article to the next. It will then be necessary
to cite title along with issue date plus the page number within that document.
The alternative would be to begin the pagination of each article after the
first one with a page number that is one greater than the final page number of
the preceding article.
This discussion is drifting off topic for an HTML group.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Axel Berger" <Axel-Berger@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [NH] Open a Folder of PDF files
> Marcelo Bastos wrote:
>> When I call online PDF "dreadful", I refer not to the
>> presentation, but to the experience:
> May I offer the following rule of thumb:
> If the document is meant to be loaded down, archived and read at
> another time at the reader's discretion, go for PDF.
> If you expect the reader to just read it online, scan it (in the
> human, not the technical sense), and continue browsing, probably
> along links provided in the text, then go for HTML every time.
> For that reason I offer lists of literature used and cited in both
> formats, which is easy as both are generated automatically out of a
> database application.