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  • Greg Chapman
    Hi Bruce, ... At the risk of being hung in this handcoding group, I loaded the index and page8 files into KompoZer (http://www.kompozer.net) a wonderful little
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      Hi Bruce,

      On 30 Jul 08 20:20 sisterscape <sisterscape@...> said:
      > It's screwed up

      At the risk of being hung in this handcoding group, I loaded the index
      and page8 files into KompoZer (http://www.kompozer.net) a wonderful
      little beginners WYSIWYG editor. Its one great advantage is that it
      shows you where all the <DIV>s are... and the site is a trifle
      "over-built" shall we say. :-) (I'm sue there must be a Firefox
      extension that will do the same job!)

      page8.htm should look something like this:

      <div id="header">
      </div>
      <div id="nav">
      </div>
      <div id="content">
      <div class="column1"></div>
      <div class="column2"></div>
      </div>
      <div id="footer">
      <div class="badge"></div>
      </div>

      I suggest that "badge" and the columns are classes only because I
      could foresee such design features being used a number of times on the
      same page elsewhere on the site.

      The only difference for index.htm is that it lacks "column1" and
      "column2".

      header: (width 100%)
      contains the main blue heading (Actually, it barely needs a div of its
      own)

      nav: (float left, width 20%)
      contains the menu

      content: (left margin 20%)
      contains the county logo (float right), the "Addresses and Links"
      heading (large top margin), then the two columns

      column1: (float left, width 40%)
      contains the list of addresses

      column2: (float left)
      contains the list of addresses

      footer: (width 100%, textalign center)
      contains site name/date

      badge: (float left)
      contains the blue background and "website" text

      Your code shows all the signs of having grown like topsy, with
      additional features being added as it went along. It's often better
      to sketch the main blocks out on paper first, so you can clarify what
      has to move with what when the content has to reflow for different
      window sizes. With that clearly in your mind it makes it easier to
      work out how any later additions need to fit into the existing blocks.

      Of course, this structure (with the principle styling features I
      suggest) should also echoed on the other pages and the same stylesheet
      used (I'm guessing that ulinks.css was just a temporary kludge to
      avoid interferring with the rest of the site). Try to pick ID and
      class names that are more meaningful. It will help you understand what
      ought to go where and what relationship all the sections have. Then it
      becomes much easier.

      I'm not against siserscape's suggestion of a table in this case - it
      is tabluar data after all and not just being used for page layout.

      Also move all that in-line styling - and even more urgently the HTML
      attributes - to you stylesheet. It will then make mainainance of the
      whole site so much easier.

      Greg
    • Axel Berger
      ... 16 errors on http://validator.w3.org/ ... 31 errors on http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ Sorry, but as long as your code does not even validate I m not
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        Bruce Meyers wrote:
        > the site is http://sawyerdems.org and the page that does not
        > display properly is the Links page - page8.html

        16 errors on http://validator.w3.org/

        > The css that controls the layout is on ulinks.css

        31 errors on http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

        Sorry, but as long as your code does not even validate I'm not going
        to look into details. But don't fret - a lot of suble hard to find
        inconsistencies may be left in validating code. I'll be glad to help
        look for those.

        Axel
      • LaurieK
        I m in the HTML group for Notepad because its well. web page/site related info that I m seeking. I have a website where I maintain a database http://ladyck.com
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          I'm in the HTML group for Notepad because its well. web page/site related
          info that I'm seeking.



          I have a website where I maintain a database http://ladyck.com The database
          has 18607 records all articles, recipes and patterns from the Workbasket
          magazine, launched October 1935 and last issue 1996. These pages are
          written in ASP (the index and frames are html).



          I am NOT a programmer, I do not understand (can't wrap my head around syntax
          and do not have the tools to know how to speak the language and I get toooo
          frustrated trying to figure out what is what). A coworker helped me with a
          work database and I have been able to migrate the information over to my
          personal database. The problem is, he does not know yet. how to create a
          Boolean type search...



          If you try the website, you will see that you can search for one word only,
          so if I search for "doily" I get all patterns whether knit, tatting,
          crochet.. But if I want to find all of the tatted doily patterns I can't.
          We had it set up with a category drop down, so you pick a category from a
          drop down menu and THEN type in your one word search criteria but I don't
          want to have to use that. AND 'we' have gained knowledge as we've each
          worked on databases/asp to the point that my original drop down menu page
          has changed drastically enough it warranted a new page.. And I don't know
          how to incorporate the drop down menu in the new one. (the dim information
          and what not that has to be added).



          SO.. Does anyone know how to program or where I can look for a 101 tutorial
          on how to do this?



          I see folks in the clip form talk about RegEx but I don't understand that.
          Jody and Jim Hall (may they both rest in peace, danged cancer) tried to hold
          my hand.. I'm hopeless but I WANT TO KNOW THIS.



          I can't even find some sort of online generator for this stuff, nor do I
          know what to search for.. Do I look for "how do I create" or "how do I
          write" or whatever. a BOOLEAN search? Or is there some sort of javascript
          that can do this?





          Seriously, any ideas? Does Google offer some sort of free search tool and
          if so, is it a site search or can you have it look for key words in a
          database?



          Confused and frustrated.



          Laurie



          THANKS! (BTW, we have been working from home, me and my coworker as our
          offices are under construction so we have not seen each other in a couple of
          weeks and won't be for a couple more I suspect.. And he said he didn't know
          how to do this and would have to research and we'd get together on it when
          we got back in the office. I don't even know what I need to search for to
          get the help... and I'm antsy as all get out because I just recently (2
          days ago) completed the data entry on my database and its up and running. I
          WANT TO ENHANCE in the worst way.



          HELP!!





          __



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        • jmgledhill
          What software are you using for your database? I m not the one to help with a database in a website but before you get much help from Notetab, you will have
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            What software are you using for your database? I'm not the one to help with
            a database in a website but before you get much help from Notetab, you will
            have to define what your database is, etc. Is it in MS Access, or Fox Pro,
            etc. It's an issue of sorting the records and much more information will be
            required. IMHO

            CYA, Joe


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          • fw7oaks
            ... When I tried doily tatted I got one hit, the other way round tatted doily I got 30, if I used tatted % doily where % = word (Pansy, Snowflake, Ruffle
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              --- On Sat, 8/2/08, LaurieK <ladyck3@...> wrote:

              > If you try the website, you will see that you can search for one word
              > only, so if I search for "doily" I get all patterns whether knit,
              > tatting, crochet.. But if I want to find all of the tatted doily
              > patterns I can't.

              When I tried 'doily tatted' I got one hit, the other way round 'tatted doily' I got 30, if I used 'tatted % doily' where % = word (Pansy, Snowflake, Ruffle . . ) I got ten hits

              I'm not sure I understand your problem :-(

              fw
            • LaurieK
              MS Access is the database, the pages are ASP and the data is sorted by Volume and then my Issue Number.. There primary key is autonumber, of couse.. Not sure
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                MS Access is the database, the pages are ASP and the data is sorted by
                Volume and then my Issue Number.. There primary key is autonumber, of
                couse..



                Not sure if Notetab is the answer but pointing me in the right direction
                would be appreciated J



                Laurie



                From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                Of jmgledhill
                Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 5:21 PM
                To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: RE: [NH] Looking for Resources



                What software are you using for your database? I'm not the one to help with
                a database in a website but before you get much help from Notetab, you will
                have to define what your database is, etc. Is it in MS Access, or Fox Pro,
                etc. It's an issue of sorting the records and much more information will be
                required. IMHO

                CYA, Joe

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              • LaurieK
                LMAO.is my problem. Me? hehehe From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fw7oaks Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 6:25 PM
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                  LMAO.is my problem. Me? hehehe



                  From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                  Of fw7oaks
                  Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 6:25 PM
                  To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources




                  --- On Sat, 8/2/08, LaurieK <ladyck3@... <mailto:ladyck3%40tx.rr.com>
                  > wrote:

                  > If you try the website, you will see that you can search for one word
                  > only, so if I search for "doily" I get all patterns whether knit,
                  > tatting, crochet.. But if I want to find all of the tatted doily
                  > patterns I can't.

                  When I tried 'doily tatted' I got one hit, the other way round 'tatted
                  doily' I got 30, if I used 'tatted % doily' where % = word (Pansy,
                  Snowflake, Ruffle . . ) I got ten hits

                  I'm not sure I understand your problem :-(

                  fw





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                • LaurieK
                  The search will pull anything with the criteria, supposedly but if you enter tat (which is the topic) and doily you get nothing.. I tried tat % doily w/o
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                    The search will pull anything with the criteria, supposedly but if you enter
                    tat (which is the topic) and doily you get nothing.. I tried "tat % doily"
                    w/o the " and got one "Tat a Doily" but its not pulling from both is only
                    pulling what it sees together.. That makes sense in my head, I hope I
                    expressed it properly.



                    If I try something like Kansas quilt, I get nothing, if I search for State
                    Quilt Kansas I get nothing.. the Pattern_Recipe field shows State Quilt
                    Patterns Kansas; North Dakota I



                    Its not pulling Quilt from Topic and Kansas from Pattern.. Maybe I'm asking
                    for too much? Maybe I don't know what I want...



                    From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                    Of fw7oaks
                    Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 6:25 PM
                    To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources




                    --- On Sat, 8/2/08, LaurieK <ladyck3@... <mailto:ladyck3%40tx.rr.com>
                    > wrote:

                    > If you try the website, you will see that you can search for one word
                    > only, so if I search for "doily" I get all patterns whether knit,
                    > tatting, crochet.. But if I want to find all of the tatted doily
                    > patterns I can't.

                    When I tried 'doily tatted' I got one hit, the other way round 'tatted
                    doily' I got 30, if I used 'tatted % doily' where % = word (Pansy,
                    Snowflake, Ruffle . . ) I got ten hits

                    I'm not sure I understand your problem :-(

                    fw





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                  • fw7oaks
                    ... [snip] ... Yes you are. I have trouble with databases too, if I can t imagine it, I m stuck, but I can imagine your problem. You ve got a pile of 18607
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                      --- On Sun, 8/3/08, LaurieK <ladyck3@...> wrote:

                      [snip]

                      > Its not pulling Quilt from Topic and Kansas from Pattern.. Maybe I'm
                      > asking for too much?

                      Yes you are.

                      I have trouble with databases too, if I can't imagine it, I'm stuck, but I can imagine your problem. You've got a pile of 18607 cards, imagine the cards have three columns, first column contains everything we are not interested in, the second column contains everything written in 'Topic' and the last everything written in 'Pattern_Receipt'.

                      So far so good ?

                      When you type something (say ******) into the search box it's like saying to your faithful but not very bright helper "Find ******" in the Topic column. Hours later after shuffling through the 18607 cards he comes back with say 30 cards, you look at the cards, and say but there's no pattern or receipts with ******.

                      He says "You didn't tell me to look there"

                      All I know about MS Access is that I don't want to learn more, but I suspect you have a query that says something like
                      'Query Topic for ******'
                      and it should say something like
                      'Query Topic AND/OR Pattern_Receipt for ******'
                      You'll have to find somebody else to help you there, you might even need a second input box on the form.

                      > Maybe I don't know what I want...

                      Always possible, but at least I've got a faint clue even if I can't do the detail for you.

                      fw
                    • LaurieK
                      Well you head is in the right zone.. with me. and all I can do is pray for you LOL.. Its such a scary place! hehehe Thanks much for entertaining the idea..
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                        Well you head is in the right zone.. with me. and all I can do is pray for
                        you LOL.. Its such a scary place! hehehe

                        Thanks much for entertaining the idea.. Its truly appreciated.



                        Laurie



                        From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                        Of fw7oaks
                        Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 3:57 AM
                        To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: RE: [NH] Looking for Resources



                        --- On Sun, 8/3/08, LaurieK <ladyck3@... <mailto:ladyck3%40tx.rr.com>
                        > wrote:

                        [snip]

                        > Its not pulling Quilt from Topic and Kansas from Pattern.. Maybe I'm
                        > asking for too much?

                        Yes you are.

                        I have trouble with databases too, if I can't imagine it, I'm stuck, but I
                        can imagine your problem. You've got a pile of 18607 cards, imagine the
                        cards have three columns, first column contains everything we are not
                        interested in, the second column contains everything written in 'Topic' and
                        the last everything written in 'Pattern_Receipt'.

                        So far so good ?

                        When you type something (say ******) into the search box it's like saying to
                        your faithful but not very bright helper "Find ******" in the Topic column.
                        Hours later after shuffling through the 18607 cards he comes back with say
                        30 cards, you look at the cards, and say but there's no pattern or receipts
                        with ******.

                        He says "You didn't tell me to look there"

                        All I know about MS Access is that I don't want to learn more, but I suspect
                        you have a query that says something like
                        'Query Topic for ******'
                        and it should say something like
                        'Query Topic AND/OR Pattern_Receipt for ******'
                        You'll have to find somebody else to help you there, you might even need a
                        second input box on the form.

                        > Maybe I don't know what I want...

                        Always possible, but at least I've got a faint clue even if I can't do the
                        detail for you.

                        fw





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                      • Don - HtmlFixIt.com
                        ... What you are asking is not html at all. You submit a form to this page: /data/new_wb_lookup.asp That is undoubtedly a script that processes inquiry. You
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                          LaurieK wrote:
                          > Well you head is in the right zone.. with me. and all I can do is pray for
                          > you LOL.. Its such a scary place! hehehe
                          >
                          > Thanks much for entertaining the idea.. Its truly appreciated.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Laurie
                          What you are asking is not html at all.

                          You submit a form to this page: /data/new_wb_lookup.asp

                          That is undoubtedly a script that processes inquiry.

                          You will get a lot further at clips, scripting or even off topic than on
                          this list.

                          If you search with google for something like this:
                          asp database query

                          You will get lots of hits.

                          Without seeing your database and your query, I couldn't possibly be too
                          helpful.
                        • LaurieK
                          Thanks Don, for guiding me to another group, its not HTML, not sure what caused me to post here. Appreciate it! From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
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                            Thanks Don, for guiding me to another group, its not HTML, not sure what
                            caused me to post here.



                            Appreciate it!



                            From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                            Of Don - HtmlFixIt.com
                            Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 10:21 AM
                            To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources



                            LaurieK wrote:
                            > Well you head is in the right zone.. with me. and all I can do is pray for
                            > you LOL.. Its such a scary place! hehehe
                            >
                            > Thanks much for entertaining the idea.. Its truly appreciated.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Laurie
                            What you are asking is not html at all.

                            You submit a form to this page: /data/new_wb_lookup.asp

                            That is undoubtedly a script that processes inquiry.

                            You will get a lot further at clips, scripting or even off topic than on
                            this list.

                            If you search with google for something like this:
                            asp database query

                            You will get lots of hits.

                            Without seeing your database and your query, I couldn't possibly be too
                            helpful.





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                          • Alan C
                            (sounds like ultimately you want to make use of your own) but, FWIW you can use the google, have google search only just your site (seamless? ie does so from a
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                              (sounds like ultimately you want to make use of your own) but, FWIW
                              you can use the google, have google search only just your site
                              (seamless? ie does so from a form field that you put/have on a page or
                              whatever pages of your site).

                              http://www.stonehenge.com/index.html

                              See it in use at there (scroll down, you'll see it) has done so for a long time.

                              I don't know if you need any sort of (likely free) identifier or etc.
                              from google or not to do so. (there's an AWFID [I don't know what it
                              is] in the next code copied from the above listed site.

                              <!-- Search Google -->
                              <div align="center">
                              <FORM method="GET" action="http://www.google.com/custom">
                              <A class="google" HREF="http://www.google.com/search">
                              <IMG cclass="google" SRC=http://www.google.com/logos/Logo_40wht.gif
                              border=0 ALT=Google align=middle></A><br />

                              <INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=15 maxlength=255 value=""><br />
                              <INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE="Search mysite">
                              <INPUT type=hidden name=cof
                              VALUE="S:http://www.mysite.com;AH:center;AWFID:c32c3e920bca5918;">
                              <input type=hidden name=domains value="mysite.com"><input type=hidden
                              name=sitesearch value="mysite.com">
                              </FORM>
                              </div>
                              <!-- Search Google -->



                              On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM, LaurieK <ladyck3@...> wrote:

                              > I'm in the HTML group for Notepad because its well. web page/site related
                              >
                              [ . . ]

                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Seriously, any ideas? Does Google offer some sort of free search tool and
                              > if so, is it a site search or can you have it look for key words in a
                              > database?


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                            • sisterscape
                              Will Google search a database? I thought it only searched html.
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                                Will Google search a database? I thought it only searched html.


                                --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Alan C <acummingsus@...> wrote:

                                > From: Alan C <acummingsus@...>
                                > Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources
                                > To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:25 PM
                                > (sounds like ultimately you want to make use of your own)
                                > but, FWIW
                                > you can use the google, have google search only just your
                                > site
                                > (seamless? ie does so from a form field that you put/have
                                > on a page or
                                > whatever pages of your site).
                                >
                                > http://www.stonehenge.com/index.html
                                >
                                > See it in use at there (scroll down, you'll see it) has
                                > done so for a long time.
                                >
                                > I don't know if you need any sort of (likely free)
                                > identifier or etc.
                                > from google or not to do so. (there's an AWFID [I
                                > don't know what it
                                > is] in the next code copied from the above listed site.
                                >
                                > <!-- Search Google -->
                                > <div align="center">
                                > <FORM method="GET"
                                > action="http://www.google.com/custom">
                                > <A class="google"
                                > HREF="http://www.google.com/search">
                                > <IMG cclass="google"
                                > SRC=http://www.google.com/logos/Logo_40wht.gif
                                > border=0 ALT=Google align=middle></A><br />
                                >
                                > <INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=15 maxlength=255
                                > value=""><br />
                                > <INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE="Search
                                > mysite">
                                > <INPUT type=hidden name=cof
                                > VALUE="S:http://www.mysite.com;AH:center;AWFID:c32c3e920bca5918;">
                                > <input type=hidden name=domains
                                > value="mysite.com"><input type=hidden
                                > name=sitesearch value="mysite.com">
                                > </FORM>
                                > </div>
                                > <!-- Search Google -->
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM, LaurieK
                                > <ladyck3@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > > I'm in the HTML group for Notepad because its
                                > well. web page/site related
                                > >
                                > [ . . ]
                                >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Seriously, any ideas? Does Google offer some sort of
                                > free search tool and
                                > > if so, is it a site search or can you have it look for
                                > key words in a
                                > > database?
                                >
                                >
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                              • LaurieK
                                That s what I was afraid of even bothering with is that I don t think Google will search within a database, its more of a site search where ou have keywords
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                                  That's what I was afraid of even bothering with is that I don't think Google
                                  will search within a database, its more of a "site search" where ou have
                                  keywords embedded in the page and it does its thing.



                                  I do appreciate everyone's assistance though J



                                  Laurie



                                  From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                  Of sisterscape
                                  Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 1:01 PM
                                  To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources



                                  Will Google search a database? I thought it only searched html.

                                  --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Alan C <acummingsus@...
                                  <mailto:acummingsus%40gmail.com> > wrote:

                                  > From: Alan C <acummingsus@... <mailto:acummingsus%40gmail.com> >
                                  > Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources
                                  > To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ntb-html%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:25 PM
                                  > (sounds like ultimately you want to make use of your own)
                                  > but, FWIW
                                  > you can use the google, have google search only just your
                                  > site
                                  > (seamless? ie does so from a form field that you put/have
                                  > on a page or
                                  > whatever pages of your site).
                                  >
                                  > http://www.stonehenge.com/index.html
                                  >
                                  > See it in use at there (scroll down, you'll see it) has
                                  > done so for a long time.
                                  >
                                  > I don't know if you need any sort of (likely free)
                                  > identifier or etc.
                                  > from google or not to do so. (there's an AWFID [I
                                  > don't know what it
                                  > is] in the next code copied from the above listed site.
                                  >
                                  > <!-- Search Google -->
                                  > <div align="center">
                                  > <FORM method="GET"
                                  > action="http://www.google.com/custom">
                                  > <A class="google"
                                  > HREF="http://www.google.com/search">
                                  > <IMG cclass="google"
                                  > SRC=http://www.google.com/logos/Logo_40wht.gif
                                  > border=0 ALT=Google align=middle></A><br />
                                  >
                                  > <INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=15 maxlength=255
                                  > value=""><br />
                                  > <INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE="Search
                                  > mysite">
                                  > <INPUT type=hidden name=cof
                                  > VALUE="S:http://www.mysite.com;AH:center;AWFID:c32c3e920bca5918;">
                                  > <input type=hidden name=domains
                                  > value="mysite.com"><input type=hidden
                                  > name=sitesearch value="mysite.com">
                                  > </FORM>
                                  > </div>
                                  > <!-- Search Google -->
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM, LaurieK
                                  > <ladyck3@... <mailto:ladyck3%40tx.rr.com> > wrote:
                                  >
                                  > > I'm in the HTML group for Notepad because its
                                  > well. web page/site related
                                  > >
                                  > [ . . ]
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Seriously, any ideas? Does Google offer some sort of
                                  > free search tool and
                                  > > if so, is it a site search or can you have it look for
                                  > key words in a
                                  > > database?
                                  >
                                  >
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                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ------------------------------------
                                  >
                                  > Fookes Software: http://www.fookes.com/
                                  > NoteTab website: http://www.notetab.com/
                                  > NoteTab Discussion Lists: http://www.notetab.com/groups.php
                                  >
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                                • jmgledhill
                                  Try doing a search in Google for html database and you will find converters that should let you do searches on multiple fields. [Non-text portions of this
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                                    Try doing a search in Google for "html database" and you will find
                                    converters that should let you do searches on multiple fields.


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                                  • LaurieK
                                    Oh cool.. thanks for the tip. off to google J From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jmgledhill Sent: Sunday, August 03,
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                                      Oh cool.. thanks for the tip. off to google J



                                      From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                      Of jmgledhill
                                      Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 1:40 PM
                                      To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: RE: [NH] Looking for Resources



                                      Try doing a search in Google for "html database" and you will find
                                      converters that should let you do searches on multiple fields.

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                                    • loro
                                      I m not all that sure about what you want to do, really, but maybe one of these scipts does what you want.
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                                        I'm not all that sure about what you want to do, really, but maybe
                                        one of these scipts does what you want.
                                        <http://www.hotscripts.com/ASP/Scripts_and_Components/Searching/Database_Search/>

                                        Lotta
                                      • Alan C
                                        re google, I had used the word site I think Don had it a while back ie form etc. Perl can do this (mute since this is already known). -- I assume that when
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                                          re google, I had used the word "site"

                                          I think Don had it a while back ie "form" etc.

                                          Perl can do this (mute since this is already known).
                                          --

                                          I assume that when using web browser to search said database that it is a
                                          "form" (where the user interactivity is) where user's query is entered --
                                          and that it would then be one of the "methods" ie for example cgi, perl_cgi,
                                          perl_dbi, cold fusion markup language, python_+_whatever, asp,
                                          yet_another_different_backend_method_of_your_choice_goes_here.

                                          Didn't Laurie say it's asp?

                                          But it's not to matter for what Laurie seeks here, really, (as to whatever
                                          the "back end" (A.K.A method(s)) is.

                                          The action (that's needed here) is in getting the form filled with the
                                          search query ? I guess?

                                          Or ?? does Laurie need to come up with a backend (and/or entire) method so
                                          as with which to accomplish the searching of a database as in right now
                                          currently there is no (via www) searching of the data base.

                                          --
                                          Alan.


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                                        • Alan C
                                          (it s not hidden) (doesn t need to be hidden) IOW anyone viewing source in web browser: http://www.ladyck.com/data/new_wb_lookup.asp works for when entering
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                                            (it's not hidden) (doesn't need to be hidden) IOW anyone viewing source in
                                            web browser:

                                            http://www.ladyck.com/data/new_wb_lookup.asp

                                            works for when entering one search word (I entered "yarn").

                                            Uses the "get" (I forget if this get is an http, cgi, whatever--method). A
                                            back end of some sort exists due to the output results (are found and then)
                                            are (outputted as) dynamically written html.

                                            Laurie wants to implement boolean.

                                            Laurie, how is the actual searching IOW what brand is the database

                                            IOW different types/brand of databases likely have need to accept certain
                                            type of query

                                            IOW does the database itself support boolean (if not then something need
                                            detect when two words and divvy it up into two separate queries, assembling
                                            all of the output results together.

                                            Likely your database supports boolean but that you seek how to query it in
                                            boolean.

                                            HTH. Alan.


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                                          • Hugo Paulissen
                                            Hi, That is a good source, but maybe not for beginners? I went through this a couple of years ago (ASP - Queries - MS Access...), and found out that the main
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                                              Hi,
                                              That is a good source, but maybe not for beginners? I went through this a couple of years ago (ASP - Queries - MS Access...), and found out that the main thing to master is the querystring. There are ways to have the querystring that is sent to the db displayed to the user (don't ask me now, I'm no longer active in that field); if you enable this you can actually see what the exact searchstring contains. That helped me a lot; it gave me insight in the inner workings of the whole process.
                                              The form that handles the user input results in a string that must be passed to the database. And this needs to be (fine-)tuned. You'll need to do some learning (lots of websites available), otherwise you have to look for alternatives, but do not give up to soon...
                                              It may help to change the string within the asp-page itself (append wildchards for instance) - in order to get better results. If you know exactly what the string should be (you can use trial and error) you have to find a way to have this string generated by means of the interaction with the user. Without actually seeing the asp code, and not knowing what the connection is, it is hard to help you out.
                                              I found the 4guysfromrolla-website very helpful. Another tool that I used to master the database techniques was from Roman Koch (http://www.romankoch.ch/capslock/editor.htm%c2%a0or%c2%a0http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/110999-1.shtml). Play with it and try to see how you can benefit from the example-code. It may be old, but I reckon that will not be a big problem.
                                              Frontpage is the MS tool that may help you further: it may be used to generate db-connections and instructions in asp directly. I've followed some tutorials about the Frontpage database wizard and learnt a lot from that (see a.o. http://www.frontpagehowto.com/examples.asp). I must acknowledge that I used a tool to have all superfluous code stripped automatically (Notetab was very helpful in that respect). So: I built some code with fronpage, had that stripped in order to look at the resulting querystring, and most of the time I edited the resulting asp-page (but you have to know what you are doing, if you do it that way...).
                                              Hope this helps.
                                              Hugo



                                              ----- Original Message ----
                                              From: loro <loro-spam01-@...>
                                              To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Monday, August 4, 2008 3:04:40 AM
                                              Subject: RE: [NH] Looking for Resources


                                              I'm not all that sure about what you want to do, really, but maybe
                                              one of these scipts does what you want.
                                              <http://www.hotscrip ts.com/ASP/ Scripts_and_ Components/ Searching/ Database_ Search/>

                                              Lotta






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                                            • Hugo Paulissen
                                              Hi LaurieK, Oh yes, this may be of help as well... Also from Roman Koch: http://www.romankoch.ch/capslock/query.htm Query.ASP - a general-purpose database
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                                                Hi LaurieK,
                                                Oh yes, this may be of help as well... Also from Roman Koch: http://www.romankoch.ch/capslock/query.htm
                                                Query.ASP - a general-purpose database query manager for Microsoft Access tables
                                                Hugo




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                                              • LaurieK
                                                Loro, Thanks for the resource, I got it LATE last night and will check it out today.. Alan, MS Access is the what I m using for the DB construction. I know
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                                                  Loro,



                                                  Thanks for the resource, I got it LATE last night and will check it out
                                                  today..



                                                  Alan,

                                                  MS Access is the what I'm using for the DB construction. I know NOTHING
                                                  about SQL or MySQL. or any other methods.. I know enough about Access to be
                                                  DANGEROUS.. I'm using Office 2007 but my server doesn't support that version
                                                  so the DB is in 2003 version.



                                                  Yes I am using a "form" within my "asp" page for the search..



                                                  Hugo.

                                                  I'm using Dreamweaver. I have FrontPage but for work purposes/support I'm
                                                  using Dreamweaver as my webpage editor.. The tip you gave me about the query
                                                  string. we did something once about using a "+" for the end of the search
                                                  string but that was when we had a drop down menu I believe. but I will go
                                                  back and check into my other resources, thank for the memory Jog! J



                                                  I'll also check out the other resources and tips that you offered, I
                                                  appreciate it..



                                                  Jmgledhill, sisterscape, Don, Alan, fw7oaks...

                                                  I'm getting all of these search suggestions and I'm like.. OH YEAH. I said
                                                  early on, I even have a mental block on what to or how to properly search
                                                  not quite knowing what I should use to google with.. And have obtained an
                                                  education from these searches as well..



                                                  Thank you everyone for all of your help, recommendations and suggestions..
                                                  I'll keep you posted as I learn (if I can teach this old dog new tricks
                                                  hehehe) J



                                                  Laurie





                                                  From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                                  Of loro
                                                  Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:05 PM
                                                  To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Subject: RE: [NH] Looking for Resources



                                                  I'm not all that sure about what you want to do, really, but maybe
                                                  one of these scipts does what you want.
                                                  <http://www.hotscripts.com/ASP/Scripts_and_Components/Searching/Database_Sea
                                                  rch/>

                                                  Lotta





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                                                • loro
                                                  ... You can t mean that rolling your own would be easier for beginners? Not all of your links worked, but the page I could reach seemed to deal with that.
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                                                    Hugo wrote:
                                                    >That is a good source, but maybe not for beginners?

                                                    You can't mean that rolling your own would be easier for beginners?
                                                    Not all of your links worked, but the page I could reach seemed to
                                                    deal with that.

                                                    Myself, I'm quite prolific installing scripts and can modify them
                                                    with a light hand. Not as successful writing them. ;-o)

                                                    Lotta
                                                  • Hugo Paulissen
                                                    Hi Lotta, ... No, but my experience was that most of those scripts needed some tweaking (they do not always do what you really need), or are meant for specific
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                                                      Hi Lotta,
                                                      > You can't mean that rolling your own would be easier for beginners?

                                                      No, but my experience was that most of those scripts needed some tweaking (they do not always do what you really need), or are meant for specific server-configurations...
                                                      > Not all of your links worked, but the page I could reach seemed to
                                                      deal with that.

                                                      I clicked the links in my mail, on my end it seems to be ok.
                                                      Regards,
                                                      Hugo




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                                                    • Alan C
                                                      ... [ . . ] Alan, ... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=XIF&q=boolean+asp+microsoft+access&btnG=Search
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                                                        On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:39 AM, LaurieK <ladyck3@...> wrote:

                                                        > Loro,

                                                        [ . . ]

                                                        Alan,
                                                        >
                                                        > MS Access is the what I'm using for the DB construction. [ . . ]
                                                        >
                                                        > Yes I am using a "form" within my "asp" page for the search..


                                                        http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=XIF&q=boolean+asp+microsoft+access&btnG=Search

                                                        At Google, I entered the next 4 words: boolean asp microsoft access

                                                        http://databases.aspfaq.com/database/how-do-i-handle-bit/boolean-columns.html

                                                        at there if you scroll slightly down can seen (asp) form (boolean search)
                                                        but it uses "post" instead of (alternative, maybe) "get", evidently uses 3
                                                        asp pages to achieve the query AND it has at least slight bit of SQL in it
                                                        too.

                                                        Isn't this fun? (don't ask me, I know nothing about it the asp, access).

                                                        I did do once, some time ago, I wrote a Perl--cgi interface to a

                                                        http://www.mysql.com/

                                                        database

                                                        which is not Microsoft Access. not asp.

                                                        on an irrelevant note: but I don't know if Mysql supports boolean or not.
                                                        --

                                                        Perl abstracts (keeps details of the SQL away from the Perl programmer)
                                                        which my point is here that a Perl programmer not need to know SQL (Perl
                                                        generates the SQL) for what I was doing the aforementioned Perl--cgi--mysql.

                                                        There's got to be perhaps some GUI app that abstracts (make it easier, more
                                                        user friendly) as opposed to geeky, machine_y like when need to do (what are
                                                        we doing here?)

                                                        I guess (the goal) it is to construct an (boolean) asp query to query an
                                                        access database

                                                        http://forums.aspfree.com/code-bank-54/advanced-boolean-search-indexing-43470.html

                                                        turned up when I now just added abstract onto the google search, a new
                                                        google search, thus:

                                                        abstract boolean asp microsoft access

                                                        (methinks google getting confused on that one [no abstract for/as a word
                                                        returned]

                                                        But it did turn up a code bank forum "advanced boolean search" at aspfree
                                                        (oh, it appears that it may be a forum about the link Hugo posted about the
                                                        Query.asp) where can ask questions.

                                                        Alan.


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                                                      • Don - HtmlFixIt.com
                                                        ... An ASP page, much like a perl cgi page or a PHP page in fact may contain many pages and coding to have it do something. If you just hit the page with no
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                                                          Alan C wrote:
                                                          > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:39 AM, LaurieK <ladyck3@...> wrote:
                                                          >
                                                          >> Loro,
                                                          >
                                                          > [ . . ]
                                                          >
                                                          > Alan,
                                                          >> MS Access is the what I'm using for the DB construction. [ . . ]
                                                          >>
                                                          >> Yes I am using a "form" within my "asp" page for the search..
                                                          >

                                                          An ASP page, much like a perl cgi page or a PHP page in fact may contain
                                                          many pages and coding to have it do something.

                                                          If you just hit the page with no post or get information provided, then
                                                          it displays a page. You can use view source to see the content
                                                          generated by the ASP page, but contrary to what someone is suggesting,
                                                          you cannot see what is in the ASP pages code. To repeat you see only
                                                          the generated html -- and what is generated is controlled by what input
                                                          (or no input) is given by the user.

                                                          If you look at the ASP page, you will see a series of "choices" or
                                                          branches in the coding. It will say something like:

                                                          if there is information provided by our form then process that, create a
                                                          result and display the result

                                                          or

                                                          if there is not information provided by our form then just display the
                                                          basic page with the search form

                                                          There may be many other branches. We have written entire sites in one
                                                          script so the page address is the same for every page. The only way to
                                                          see this coding is to look in the raw coding of the ASP page. First
                                                          MAKE A BACKUP, and then using notetab, open your ASP page. Start
                                                          looking around. You will find a part that ultimately generates the
                                                          query. That is the part we are looking for. We can then tweak what is
                                                          being asked for.

                                                          Your function (part of the ASP program) that builds results isn't very
                                                          well developed, because it does not tell me no results found. It still
                                                          outputs the table heading, but the table is empty of results.

                                                          I believe something like this in your ASP is where you are headed.
                                                          http://www.asp101.com/samples/viewasp.asp?file=db_search_multi.asp

                                                          Again there are more coders in the clips or in the scripts lists than
                                                          there probably are here (no offense intended, but I think you'll find
                                                          the heavy coders in one of those two lists) and/or in off topic.
                                                        • LaurieK
                                                          OH MY GOODNESS. I sure did strike up the conversation didn t I? Man I sure appreciate it.. I ve got LOTS to research here... my mind is going swish swish
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                                                            OH MY GOODNESS. I sure did strike up the conversation didn't I?

                                                            Man I sure appreciate it.. I've got LOTS to research here... my mind is
                                                            going swish swish swish.

                                                            Thanks!!!! J



                                                            Laurie





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                                                            Of Alan C
                                                            Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:18 AM
                                                            To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
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                                                            On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:39 AM, LaurieK <ladyck3@...
                                                            <mailto:ladyck3%40tx.rr.com> > wrote:

                                                            > Loro,

                                                            [ . . ]

                                                            Alan,
                                                            >
                                                            > MS Access is the what I'm using for the DB construction. [ . . ]
                                                            >
                                                            > Yes I am using a "form" within my "asp" page for the search..

                                                            http://www.google.com/search?hl=en
                                                            <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US
                                                            %3Aofficial&hs=XIF&q=boolean+asp+microsoft+access&btnG=Search>
                                                            &client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=XIF&q=boolean+asp+mi
                                                            crosoft+access&btnG=Search

                                                            At Google, I entered the next 4 words: boolean asp microsoft access

                                                            http://databases.aspfaq.com/database/how-do-i-handle-bit/boolean-columns.htm
                                                            l

                                                            at there if you scroll slightly down can seen (asp) form (boolean search)
                                                            but it uses "post" instead of (alternative, maybe) "get", evidently uses 3
                                                            asp pages to achieve the query AND it has at least slight bit of SQL in it
                                                            too.

                                                            Isn't this fun? (don't ask me, I know nothing about it the asp, access).

                                                            I did do once, some time ago, I wrote a Perl--cgi interface to a

                                                            http://www.mysql.com/

                                                            database

                                                            which is not Microsoft Access. not asp.

                                                            on an irrelevant note: but I don't know if Mysql supports boolean or not.
                                                            --

                                                            Perl abstracts (keeps details of the SQL away from the Perl programmer)
                                                            which my point is here that a Perl programmer not need to know SQL (Perl
                                                            generates the SQL) for what I was doing the aforementioned Perl--cgi--mysql.

                                                            There's got to be perhaps some GUI app that abstracts (make it easier, more
                                                            user friendly) as opposed to geeky, machine_y like when need to do (what are
                                                            we doing here?)

                                                            I guess (the goal) it is to construct an (boolean) asp query to query an
                                                            access database

                                                            http://forums.aspfree.com/code-bank-54/advanced-boolean-search-indexing-4347
                                                            0.html

                                                            turned up when I now just added abstract onto the google search, a new
                                                            google search, thus:

                                                            abstract boolean asp microsoft access

                                                            (methinks google getting confused on that one [no abstract for/as a word
                                                            returned]

                                                            But it did turn up a code bank forum "advanced boolean search" at aspfree
                                                            (oh, it appears that it may be a forum about the link Hugo posted about the
                                                            Query.asp) where can ask questions.

                                                            Alan.

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