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Re: [NH] Problem with a page that looks good on desktops but not on laptops

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  • sisterscape
    It s screwed up with FF on Linux too. There are differences in rendering between IE 6 and IE 7. You might still have IE 6 on your desktop. (I stopped
    Message 1 of 30 , Jul 30, 2008
      It's screwed up with FF on Linux too. There are differences in rendering between IE 6 and IE 7. You might still have IE 6 on your desktop. (I stopped designing when IE 7 came out. Fortunately, all my sites look OK on IE 7.)

      Honestly, for data like that I'd just use a table. The CSS police won't come hang you by you thumbs!

      If you're determined to do it without a table, try floating one or both of the divs. FWIW, on all my sites, I can't remember ever using a position:absolute or position:relative attribute.


      --- On Wed, 7/30/08, Bruce Meyers <oldguy1166@...> wrote:

      > From: Bruce Meyers <oldguy1166@...>
      > Subject: [NH] Problem with a page that looks good on desktops but not on laptops
      > To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
      > Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 1:59 PM
      > I just put up a new website and I viewed it on IE, FireFox,
      > and Opera
      > and all looked good. I took my laptop with wifi to the
      > local library
      > and one of the pages does not look good.
      >
      > I friend who has wireless at home and uses a laptop tells
      > me that the
      > page is "out of whack" on his computer too.
      >
      > the site is http://sawyerdems.org and the page that
      > does not
      > display properly is the Links page - page8.html The css
      > that
      > controls the layout is on ulinks.css
      >
      > My home desktops are running XP and the laptops - both mine
      > and my
      > friends - are using Vista. Could that be part of the
      > problem?
      >
      > I would appreciate any advice, help, or suggestions about
      > how to
      > control layout problems that only appear - so far - on
      > laptops
      > running Vista.
      >
      > I am learning how to build pages with css but I am still
      > weak on
      > layout problems.
      >
      > Bruce Meyers aka oldguy1166@...
      > Hayward, Wisconsin
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    • Greg Chapman
      Hi Bruce, ... At the risk of being hung in this handcoding group, I loaded the index and page8 files into KompoZer (http://www.kompozer.net) a wonderful little
      Message 2 of 30 , Jul 30, 2008
        Hi Bruce,

        On 30 Jul 08 20:20 sisterscape <sisterscape@...> said:
        > It's screwed up

        At the risk of being hung in this handcoding group, I loaded the index
        and page8 files into KompoZer (http://www.kompozer.net) a wonderful
        little beginners WYSIWYG editor. Its one great advantage is that it
        shows you where all the <DIV>s are... and the site is a trifle
        "over-built" shall we say. :-) (I'm sue there must be a Firefox
        extension that will do the same job!)

        page8.htm should look something like this:

        <div id="header">
        </div>
        <div id="nav">
        </div>
        <div id="content">
        <div class="column1"></div>
        <div class="column2"></div>
        </div>
        <div id="footer">
        <div class="badge"></div>
        </div>

        I suggest that "badge" and the columns are classes only because I
        could foresee such design features being used a number of times on the
        same page elsewhere on the site.

        The only difference for index.htm is that it lacks "column1" and
        "column2".

        header: (width 100%)
        contains the main blue heading (Actually, it barely needs a div of its
        own)

        nav: (float left, width 20%)
        contains the menu

        content: (left margin 20%)
        contains the county logo (float right), the "Addresses and Links"
        heading (large top margin), then the two columns

        column1: (float left, width 40%)
        contains the list of addresses

        column2: (float left)
        contains the list of addresses

        footer: (width 100%, textalign center)
        contains site name/date

        badge: (float left)
        contains the blue background and "website" text

        Your code shows all the signs of having grown like topsy, with
        additional features being added as it went along. It's often better
        to sketch the main blocks out on paper first, so you can clarify what
        has to move with what when the content has to reflow for different
        window sizes. With that clearly in your mind it makes it easier to
        work out how any later additions need to fit into the existing blocks.

        Of course, this structure (with the principle styling features I
        suggest) should also echoed on the other pages and the same stylesheet
        used (I'm guessing that ulinks.css was just a temporary kludge to
        avoid interferring with the rest of the site). Try to pick ID and
        class names that are more meaningful. It will help you understand what
        ought to go where and what relationship all the sections have. Then it
        becomes much easier.

        I'm not against siserscape's suggestion of a table in this case - it
        is tabluar data after all and not just being used for page layout.

        Also move all that in-line styling - and even more urgently the HTML
        attributes - to you stylesheet. It will then make mainainance of the
        whole site so much easier.

        Greg
      • Axel Berger
        ... 16 errors on http://validator.w3.org/ ... 31 errors on http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ Sorry, but as long as your code does not even validate I m not
        Message 3 of 30 , Jul 30, 2008
          Bruce Meyers wrote:
          > the site is http://sawyerdems.org and the page that does not
          > display properly is the Links page - page8.html

          16 errors on http://validator.w3.org/

          > The css that controls the layout is on ulinks.css

          31 errors on http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

          Sorry, but as long as your code does not even validate I'm not going
          to look into details. But don't fret - a lot of suble hard to find
          inconsistencies may be left in validating code. I'll be glad to help
          look for those.

          Axel
        • LaurieK
          I m in the HTML group for Notepad because its well. web page/site related info that I m seeking. I have a website where I maintain a database http://ladyck.com
          Message 4 of 30 , Aug 2, 2008
            I'm in the HTML group for Notepad because its well. web page/site related
            info that I'm seeking.



            I have a website where I maintain a database http://ladyck.com The database
            has 18607 records all articles, recipes and patterns from the Workbasket
            magazine, launched October 1935 and last issue 1996. These pages are
            written in ASP (the index and frames are html).



            I am NOT a programmer, I do not understand (can't wrap my head around syntax
            and do not have the tools to know how to speak the language and I get toooo
            frustrated trying to figure out what is what). A coworker helped me with a
            work database and I have been able to migrate the information over to my
            personal database. The problem is, he does not know yet. how to create a
            Boolean type search...



            If you try the website, you will see that you can search for one word only,
            so if I search for "doily" I get all patterns whether knit, tatting,
            crochet.. But if I want to find all of the tatted doily patterns I can't.
            We had it set up with a category drop down, so you pick a category from a
            drop down menu and THEN type in your one word search criteria but I don't
            want to have to use that. AND 'we' have gained knowledge as we've each
            worked on databases/asp to the point that my original drop down menu page
            has changed drastically enough it warranted a new page.. And I don't know
            how to incorporate the drop down menu in the new one. (the dim information
            and what not that has to be added).



            SO.. Does anyone know how to program or where I can look for a 101 tutorial
            on how to do this?



            I see folks in the clip form talk about RegEx but I don't understand that.
            Jody and Jim Hall (may they both rest in peace, danged cancer) tried to hold
            my hand.. I'm hopeless but I WANT TO KNOW THIS.



            I can't even find some sort of online generator for this stuff, nor do I
            know what to search for.. Do I look for "how do I create" or "how do I
            write" or whatever. a BOOLEAN search? Or is there some sort of javascript
            that can do this?





            Seriously, any ideas? Does Google offer some sort of free search tool and
            if so, is it a site search or can you have it look for key words in a
            database?



            Confused and frustrated.



            Laurie



            THANKS! (BTW, we have been working from home, me and my coworker as our
            offices are under construction so we have not seen each other in a couple of
            weeks and won't be for a couple more I suspect.. And he said he didn't know
            how to do this and would have to research and we'd get together on it when
            we got back in the office. I don't even know what I need to search for to
            get the help... and I'm antsy as all get out because I just recently (2
            days ago) completed the data entry on my database and its up and running. I
            WANT TO ENHANCE in the worst way.



            HELP!!





            __



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          • jmgledhill
            What software are you using for your database? I m not the one to help with a database in a website but before you get much help from Notetab, you will have
            Message 5 of 30 , Aug 2, 2008
              What software are you using for your database? I'm not the one to help with
              a database in a website but before you get much help from Notetab, you will
              have to define what your database is, etc. Is it in MS Access, or Fox Pro,
              etc. It's an issue of sorting the records and much more information will be
              required. IMHO

              CYA, Joe


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            • fw7oaks
              ... When I tried doily tatted I got one hit, the other way round tatted doily I got 30, if I used tatted % doily where % = word (Pansy, Snowflake, Ruffle
              Message 6 of 30 , Aug 2, 2008
                --- On Sat, 8/2/08, LaurieK <ladyck3@...> wrote:

                > If you try the website, you will see that you can search for one word
                > only, so if I search for "doily" I get all patterns whether knit,
                > tatting, crochet.. But if I want to find all of the tatted doily
                > patterns I can't.

                When I tried 'doily tatted' I got one hit, the other way round 'tatted doily' I got 30, if I used 'tatted % doily' where % = word (Pansy, Snowflake, Ruffle . . ) I got ten hits

                I'm not sure I understand your problem :-(

                fw
              • LaurieK
                MS Access is the database, the pages are ASP and the data is sorted by Volume and then my Issue Number.. There primary key is autonumber, of couse.. Not sure
                Message 7 of 30 , Aug 2, 2008
                  MS Access is the database, the pages are ASP and the data is sorted by
                  Volume and then my Issue Number.. There primary key is autonumber, of
                  couse..



                  Not sure if Notetab is the answer but pointing me in the right direction
                  would be appreciated J



                  Laurie



                  From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                  Of jmgledhill
                  Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 5:21 PM
                  To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: RE: [NH] Looking for Resources



                  What software are you using for your database? I'm not the one to help with
                  a database in a website but before you get much help from Notetab, you will
                  have to define what your database is, etc. Is it in MS Access, or Fox Pro,
                  etc. It's an issue of sorting the records and much more information will be
                  required. IMHO

                  CYA, Joe

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                • LaurieK
                  LMAO.is my problem. Me? hehehe From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fw7oaks Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 6:25 PM
                  Message 8 of 30 , Aug 2, 2008
                    LMAO.is my problem. Me? hehehe



                    From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                    Of fw7oaks
                    Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 6:25 PM
                    To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources




                    --- On Sat, 8/2/08, LaurieK <ladyck3@... <mailto:ladyck3%40tx.rr.com>
                    > wrote:

                    > If you try the website, you will see that you can search for one word
                    > only, so if I search for "doily" I get all patterns whether knit,
                    > tatting, crochet.. But if I want to find all of the tatted doily
                    > patterns I can't.

                    When I tried 'doily tatted' I got one hit, the other way round 'tatted
                    doily' I got 30, if I used 'tatted % doily' where % = word (Pansy,
                    Snowflake, Ruffle . . ) I got ten hits

                    I'm not sure I understand your problem :-(

                    fw





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                  • LaurieK
                    The search will pull anything with the criteria, supposedly but if you enter tat (which is the topic) and doily you get nothing.. I tried tat % doily w/o
                    Message 9 of 30 , Aug 2, 2008
                      The search will pull anything with the criteria, supposedly but if you enter
                      tat (which is the topic) and doily you get nothing.. I tried "tat % doily"
                      w/o the " and got one "Tat a Doily" but its not pulling from both is only
                      pulling what it sees together.. That makes sense in my head, I hope I
                      expressed it properly.



                      If I try something like Kansas quilt, I get nothing, if I search for State
                      Quilt Kansas I get nothing.. the Pattern_Recipe field shows State Quilt
                      Patterns Kansas; North Dakota I



                      Its not pulling Quilt from Topic and Kansas from Pattern.. Maybe I'm asking
                      for too much? Maybe I don't know what I want...



                      From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                      Of fw7oaks
                      Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 6:25 PM
                      To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources




                      --- On Sat, 8/2/08, LaurieK <ladyck3@... <mailto:ladyck3%40tx.rr.com>
                      > wrote:

                      > If you try the website, you will see that you can search for one word
                      > only, so if I search for "doily" I get all patterns whether knit,
                      > tatting, crochet.. But if I want to find all of the tatted doily
                      > patterns I can't.

                      When I tried 'doily tatted' I got one hit, the other way round 'tatted
                      doily' I got 30, if I used 'tatted % doily' where % = word (Pansy,
                      Snowflake, Ruffle . . ) I got ten hits

                      I'm not sure I understand your problem :-(

                      fw





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                    • fw7oaks
                      ... [snip] ... Yes you are. I have trouble with databases too, if I can t imagine it, I m stuck, but I can imagine your problem. You ve got a pile of 18607
                      Message 10 of 30 , Aug 3, 2008
                        --- On Sun, 8/3/08, LaurieK <ladyck3@...> wrote:

                        [snip]

                        > Its not pulling Quilt from Topic and Kansas from Pattern.. Maybe I'm
                        > asking for too much?

                        Yes you are.

                        I have trouble with databases too, if I can't imagine it, I'm stuck, but I can imagine your problem. You've got a pile of 18607 cards, imagine the cards have three columns, first column contains everything we are not interested in, the second column contains everything written in 'Topic' and the last everything written in 'Pattern_Receipt'.

                        So far so good ?

                        When you type something (say ******) into the search box it's like saying to your faithful but not very bright helper "Find ******" in the Topic column. Hours later after shuffling through the 18607 cards he comes back with say 30 cards, you look at the cards, and say but there's no pattern or receipts with ******.

                        He says "You didn't tell me to look there"

                        All I know about MS Access is that I don't want to learn more, but I suspect you have a query that says something like
                        'Query Topic for ******'
                        and it should say something like
                        'Query Topic AND/OR Pattern_Receipt for ******'
                        You'll have to find somebody else to help you there, you might even need a second input box on the form.

                        > Maybe I don't know what I want...

                        Always possible, but at least I've got a faint clue even if I can't do the detail for you.

                        fw
                      • LaurieK
                        Well you head is in the right zone.. with me. and all I can do is pray for you LOL.. Its such a scary place! hehehe Thanks much for entertaining the idea..
                        Message 11 of 30 , Aug 3, 2008
                          Well you head is in the right zone.. with me. and all I can do is pray for
                          you LOL.. Its such a scary place! hehehe

                          Thanks much for entertaining the idea.. Its truly appreciated.



                          Laurie



                          From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                          Of fw7oaks
                          Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 3:57 AM
                          To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: RE: [NH] Looking for Resources



                          --- On Sun, 8/3/08, LaurieK <ladyck3@... <mailto:ladyck3%40tx.rr.com>
                          > wrote:

                          [snip]

                          > Its not pulling Quilt from Topic and Kansas from Pattern.. Maybe I'm
                          > asking for too much?

                          Yes you are.

                          I have trouble with databases too, if I can't imagine it, I'm stuck, but I
                          can imagine your problem. You've got a pile of 18607 cards, imagine the
                          cards have three columns, first column contains everything we are not
                          interested in, the second column contains everything written in 'Topic' and
                          the last everything written in 'Pattern_Receipt'.

                          So far so good ?

                          When you type something (say ******) into the search box it's like saying to
                          your faithful but not very bright helper "Find ******" in the Topic column.
                          Hours later after shuffling through the 18607 cards he comes back with say
                          30 cards, you look at the cards, and say but there's no pattern or receipts
                          with ******.

                          He says "You didn't tell me to look there"

                          All I know about MS Access is that I don't want to learn more, but I suspect
                          you have a query that says something like
                          'Query Topic for ******'
                          and it should say something like
                          'Query Topic AND/OR Pattern_Receipt for ******'
                          You'll have to find somebody else to help you there, you might even need a
                          second input box on the form.

                          > Maybe I don't know what I want...

                          Always possible, but at least I've got a faint clue even if I can't do the
                          detail for you.

                          fw





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                        • Don - HtmlFixIt.com
                          ... What you are asking is not html at all. You submit a form to this page: /data/new_wb_lookup.asp That is undoubtedly a script that processes inquiry. You
                          Message 12 of 30 , Aug 3, 2008
                            LaurieK wrote:
                            > Well you head is in the right zone.. with me. and all I can do is pray for
                            > you LOL.. Its such a scary place! hehehe
                            >
                            > Thanks much for entertaining the idea.. Its truly appreciated.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Laurie
                            What you are asking is not html at all.

                            You submit a form to this page: /data/new_wb_lookup.asp

                            That is undoubtedly a script that processes inquiry.

                            You will get a lot further at clips, scripting or even off topic than on
                            this list.

                            If you search with google for something like this:
                            asp database query

                            You will get lots of hits.

                            Without seeing your database and your query, I couldn't possibly be too
                            helpful.
                          • LaurieK
                            Thanks Don, for guiding me to another group, its not HTML, not sure what caused me to post here. Appreciate it! From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                            Message 13 of 30 , Aug 3, 2008
                              Thanks Don, for guiding me to another group, its not HTML, not sure what
                              caused me to post here.



                              Appreciate it!



                              From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                              Of Don - HtmlFixIt.com
                              Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 10:21 AM
                              To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources



                              LaurieK wrote:
                              > Well you head is in the right zone.. with me. and all I can do is pray for
                              > you LOL.. Its such a scary place! hehehe
                              >
                              > Thanks much for entertaining the idea.. Its truly appreciated.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Laurie
                              What you are asking is not html at all.

                              You submit a form to this page: /data/new_wb_lookup.asp

                              That is undoubtedly a script that processes inquiry.

                              You will get a lot further at clips, scripting or even off topic than on
                              this list.

                              If you search with google for something like this:
                              asp database query

                              You will get lots of hits.

                              Without seeing your database and your query, I couldn't possibly be too
                              helpful.





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                            • Alan C
                              (sounds like ultimately you want to make use of your own) but, FWIW you can use the google, have google search only just your site (seamless? ie does so from a
                              Message 14 of 30 , Aug 3, 2008
                                (sounds like ultimately you want to make use of your own) but, FWIW
                                you can use the google, have google search only just your site
                                (seamless? ie does so from a form field that you put/have on a page or
                                whatever pages of your site).

                                http://www.stonehenge.com/index.html

                                See it in use at there (scroll down, you'll see it) has done so for a long time.

                                I don't know if you need any sort of (likely free) identifier or etc.
                                from google or not to do so. (there's an AWFID [I don't know what it
                                is] in the next code copied from the above listed site.

                                <!-- Search Google -->
                                <div align="center">
                                <FORM method="GET" action="http://www.google.com/custom">
                                <A class="google" HREF="http://www.google.com/search">
                                <IMG cclass="google" SRC=http://www.google.com/logos/Logo_40wht.gif
                                border=0 ALT=Google align=middle></A><br />

                                <INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=15 maxlength=255 value=""><br />
                                <INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE="Search mysite">
                                <INPUT type=hidden name=cof
                                VALUE="S:http://www.mysite.com;AH:center;AWFID:c32c3e920bca5918;">
                                <input type=hidden name=domains value="mysite.com"><input type=hidden
                                name=sitesearch value="mysite.com">
                                </FORM>
                                </div>
                                <!-- Search Google -->



                                On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM, LaurieK <ladyck3@...> wrote:

                                > I'm in the HTML group for Notepad because its well. web page/site related
                                >
                                [ . . ]

                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Seriously, any ideas? Does Google offer some sort of free search tool and
                                > if so, is it a site search or can you have it look for key words in a
                                > database?


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                              • sisterscape
                                Will Google search a database? I thought it only searched html.
                                Message 15 of 30 , Aug 3, 2008
                                  Will Google search a database? I thought it only searched html.


                                  --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Alan C <acummingsus@...> wrote:

                                  > From: Alan C <acummingsus@...>
                                  > Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources
                                  > To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:25 PM
                                  > (sounds like ultimately you want to make use of your own)
                                  > but, FWIW
                                  > you can use the google, have google search only just your
                                  > site
                                  > (seamless? ie does so from a form field that you put/have
                                  > on a page or
                                  > whatever pages of your site).
                                  >
                                  > http://www.stonehenge.com/index.html
                                  >
                                  > See it in use at there (scroll down, you'll see it) has
                                  > done so for a long time.
                                  >
                                  > I don't know if you need any sort of (likely free)
                                  > identifier or etc.
                                  > from google or not to do so. (there's an AWFID [I
                                  > don't know what it
                                  > is] in the next code copied from the above listed site.
                                  >
                                  > <!-- Search Google -->
                                  > <div align="center">
                                  > <FORM method="GET"
                                  > action="http://www.google.com/custom">
                                  > <A class="google"
                                  > HREF="http://www.google.com/search">
                                  > <IMG cclass="google"
                                  > SRC=http://www.google.com/logos/Logo_40wht.gif
                                  > border=0 ALT=Google align=middle></A><br />
                                  >
                                  > <INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=15 maxlength=255
                                  > value=""><br />
                                  > <INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE="Search
                                  > mysite">
                                  > <INPUT type=hidden name=cof
                                  > VALUE="S:http://www.mysite.com;AH:center;AWFID:c32c3e920bca5918;">
                                  > <input type=hidden name=domains
                                  > value="mysite.com"><input type=hidden
                                  > name=sitesearch value="mysite.com">
                                  > </FORM>
                                  > </div>
                                  > <!-- Search Google -->
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM, LaurieK
                                  > <ladyck3@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > > I'm in the HTML group for Notepad because its
                                  > well. web page/site related
                                  > >
                                  > [ . . ]
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Seriously, any ideas? Does Google offer some sort of
                                  > free search tool and
                                  > > if so, is it a site search or can you have it look for
                                  > key words in a
                                  > > database?
                                  >
                                  >
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                                • LaurieK
                                  That s what I was afraid of even bothering with is that I don t think Google will search within a database, its more of a site search where ou have keywords
                                  Message 16 of 30 , Aug 3, 2008
                                    That's what I was afraid of even bothering with is that I don't think Google
                                    will search within a database, its more of a "site search" where ou have
                                    keywords embedded in the page and it does its thing.



                                    I do appreciate everyone's assistance though J



                                    Laurie



                                    From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                    Of sisterscape
                                    Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 1:01 PM
                                    To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources



                                    Will Google search a database? I thought it only searched html.

                                    --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Alan C <acummingsus@...
                                    <mailto:acummingsus%40gmail.com> > wrote:

                                    > From: Alan C <acummingsus@... <mailto:acummingsus%40gmail.com> >
                                    > Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources
                                    > To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ntb-html%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:25 PM
                                    > (sounds like ultimately you want to make use of your own)
                                    > but, FWIW
                                    > you can use the google, have google search only just your
                                    > site
                                    > (seamless? ie does so from a form field that you put/have
                                    > on a page or
                                    > whatever pages of your site).
                                    >
                                    > http://www.stonehenge.com/index.html
                                    >
                                    > See it in use at there (scroll down, you'll see it) has
                                    > done so for a long time.
                                    >
                                    > I don't know if you need any sort of (likely free)
                                    > identifier or etc.
                                    > from google or not to do so. (there's an AWFID [I
                                    > don't know what it
                                    > is] in the next code copied from the above listed site.
                                    >
                                    > <!-- Search Google -->
                                    > <div align="center">
                                    > <FORM method="GET"
                                    > action="http://www.google.com/custom">
                                    > <A class="google"
                                    > HREF="http://www.google.com/search">
                                    > <IMG cclass="google"
                                    > SRC=http://www.google.com/logos/Logo_40wht.gif
                                    > border=0 ALT=Google align=middle></A><br />
                                    >
                                    > <INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=15 maxlength=255
                                    > value=""><br />
                                    > <INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE="Search
                                    > mysite">
                                    > <INPUT type=hidden name=cof
                                    > VALUE="S:http://www.mysite.com;AH:center;AWFID:c32c3e920bca5918;">
                                    > <input type=hidden name=domains
                                    > value="mysite.com"><input type=hidden
                                    > name=sitesearch value="mysite.com">
                                    > </FORM>
                                    > </div>
                                    > <!-- Search Google -->
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM, LaurieK
                                    > <ladyck3@... <mailto:ladyck3%40tx.rr.com> > wrote:
                                    >
                                    > > I'm in the HTML group for Notepad because its
                                    > well. web page/site related
                                    > >
                                    > [ . . ]
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Seriously, any ideas? Does Google offer some sort of
                                    > free search tool and
                                    > > if so, is it a site search or can you have it look for
                                    > key words in a
                                    > > database?
                                    >
                                    >
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                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ------------------------------------
                                    >
                                    > Fookes Software: http://www.fookes.com/
                                    > NoteTab website: http://www.notetab.com/
                                    > NoteTab Discussion Lists: http://www.notetab.com/groups.php
                                    >
                                    > ***
                                    > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >





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                                  • jmgledhill
                                    Try doing a search in Google for html database and you will find converters that should let you do searches on multiple fields. [Non-text portions of this
                                    Message 17 of 30 , Aug 3, 2008
                                      Try doing a search in Google for "html database" and you will find
                                      converters that should let you do searches on multiple fields.


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                                    • LaurieK
                                      Oh cool.. thanks for the tip. off to google J From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jmgledhill Sent: Sunday, August 03,
                                      Message 18 of 30 , Aug 3, 2008
                                        Oh cool.. thanks for the tip. off to google J



                                        From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                        Of jmgledhill
                                        Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 1:40 PM
                                        To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: RE: [NH] Looking for Resources



                                        Try doing a search in Google for "html database" and you will find
                                        converters that should let you do searches on multiple fields.

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                                      • loro
                                        I m not all that sure about what you want to do, really, but maybe one of these scipts does what you want.
                                        Message 19 of 30 , Aug 3, 2008
                                          I'm not all that sure about what you want to do, really, but maybe
                                          one of these scipts does what you want.
                                          <http://www.hotscripts.com/ASP/Scripts_and_Components/Searching/Database_Search/>

                                          Lotta
                                        • Alan C
                                          re google, I had used the word site I think Don had it a while back ie form etc. Perl can do this (mute since this is already known). -- I assume that when
                                          Message 20 of 30 , Aug 3, 2008
                                            re google, I had used the word "site"

                                            I think Don had it a while back ie "form" etc.

                                            Perl can do this (mute since this is already known).
                                            --

                                            I assume that when using web browser to search said database that it is a
                                            "form" (where the user interactivity is) where user's query is entered --
                                            and that it would then be one of the "methods" ie for example cgi, perl_cgi,
                                            perl_dbi, cold fusion markup language, python_+_whatever, asp,
                                            yet_another_different_backend_method_of_your_choice_goes_here.

                                            Didn't Laurie say it's asp?

                                            But it's not to matter for what Laurie seeks here, really, (as to whatever
                                            the "back end" (A.K.A method(s)) is.

                                            The action (that's needed here) is in getting the form filled with the
                                            search query ? I guess?

                                            Or ?? does Laurie need to come up with a backend (and/or entire) method so
                                            as with which to accomplish the searching of a database as in right now
                                            currently there is no (via www) searching of the data base.

                                            --
                                            Alan.


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                                          • Alan C
                                            (it s not hidden) (doesn t need to be hidden) IOW anyone viewing source in web browser: http://www.ladyck.com/data/new_wb_lookup.asp works for when entering
                                            Message 21 of 30 , Aug 4, 2008
                                              (it's not hidden) (doesn't need to be hidden) IOW anyone viewing source in
                                              web browser:

                                              http://www.ladyck.com/data/new_wb_lookup.asp

                                              works for when entering one search word (I entered "yarn").

                                              Uses the "get" (I forget if this get is an http, cgi, whatever--method). A
                                              back end of some sort exists due to the output results (are found and then)
                                              are (outputted as) dynamically written html.

                                              Laurie wants to implement boolean.

                                              Laurie, how is the actual searching IOW what brand is the database

                                              IOW different types/brand of databases likely have need to accept certain
                                              type of query

                                              IOW does the database itself support boolean (if not then something need
                                              detect when two words and divvy it up into two separate queries, assembling
                                              all of the output results together.

                                              Likely your database supports boolean but that you seek how to query it in
                                              boolean.

                                              HTH. Alan.


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                                            • Hugo Paulissen
                                              Hi, That is a good source, but maybe not for beginners? I went through this a couple of years ago (ASP - Queries - MS Access...), and found out that the main
                                              Message 22 of 30 , Aug 4, 2008
                                                Hi,
                                                That is a good source, but maybe not for beginners? I went through this a couple of years ago (ASP - Queries - MS Access...), and found out that the main thing to master is the querystring. There are ways to have the querystring that is sent to the db displayed to the user (don't ask me now, I'm no longer active in that field); if you enable this you can actually see what the exact searchstring contains. That helped me a lot; it gave me insight in the inner workings of the whole process.
                                                The form that handles the user input results in a string that must be passed to the database. And this needs to be (fine-)tuned. You'll need to do some learning (lots of websites available), otherwise you have to look for alternatives, but do not give up to soon...
                                                It may help to change the string within the asp-page itself (append wildchards for instance) - in order to get better results. If you know exactly what the string should be (you can use trial and error) you have to find a way to have this string generated by means of the interaction with the user. Without actually seeing the asp code, and not knowing what the connection is, it is hard to help you out.
                                                I found the 4guysfromrolla-website very helpful. Another tool that I used to master the database techniques was from Roman Koch (http://www.romankoch.ch/capslock/editor.htm%c2%a0or%c2%a0http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/110999-1.shtml). Play with it and try to see how you can benefit from the example-code. It may be old, but I reckon that will not be a big problem.
                                                Frontpage is the MS tool that may help you further: it may be used to generate db-connections and instructions in asp directly. I've followed some tutorials about the Frontpage database wizard and learnt a lot from that (see a.o. http://www.frontpagehowto.com/examples.asp). I must acknowledge that I used a tool to have all superfluous code stripped automatically (Notetab was very helpful in that respect). So: I built some code with fronpage, had that stripped in order to look at the resulting querystring, and most of the time I edited the resulting asp-page (but you have to know what you are doing, if you do it that way...).
                                                Hope this helps.
                                                Hugo



                                                ----- Original Message ----
                                                From: loro <loro-spam01-@...>
                                                To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Monday, August 4, 2008 3:04:40 AM
                                                Subject: RE: [NH] Looking for Resources


                                                I'm not all that sure about what you want to do, really, but maybe
                                                one of these scipts does what you want.
                                                <http://www.hotscrip ts.com/ASP/ Scripts_and_ Components/ Searching/ Database_ Search/>

                                                Lotta






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                                              • Hugo Paulissen
                                                Hi LaurieK, Oh yes, this may be of help as well... Also from Roman Koch: http://www.romankoch.ch/capslock/query.htm Query.ASP - a general-purpose database
                                                Message 23 of 30 , Aug 4, 2008
                                                  Hi LaurieK,
                                                  Oh yes, this may be of help as well... Also from Roman Koch: http://www.romankoch.ch/capslock/query.htm
                                                  Query.ASP - a general-purpose database query manager for Microsoft Access tables
                                                  Hugo




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                                                • LaurieK
                                                  Loro, Thanks for the resource, I got it LATE last night and will check it out today.. Alan, MS Access is the what I m using for the DB construction. I know
                                                  Message 24 of 30 , Aug 4, 2008
                                                    Loro,



                                                    Thanks for the resource, I got it LATE last night and will check it out
                                                    today..



                                                    Alan,

                                                    MS Access is the what I'm using for the DB construction. I know NOTHING
                                                    about SQL or MySQL. or any other methods.. I know enough about Access to be
                                                    DANGEROUS.. I'm using Office 2007 but my server doesn't support that version
                                                    so the DB is in 2003 version.



                                                    Yes I am using a "form" within my "asp" page for the search..



                                                    Hugo.

                                                    I'm using Dreamweaver. I have FrontPage but for work purposes/support I'm
                                                    using Dreamweaver as my webpage editor.. The tip you gave me about the query
                                                    string. we did something once about using a "+" for the end of the search
                                                    string but that was when we had a drop down menu I believe. but I will go
                                                    back and check into my other resources, thank for the memory Jog! J



                                                    I'll also check out the other resources and tips that you offered, I
                                                    appreciate it..



                                                    Jmgledhill, sisterscape, Don, Alan, fw7oaks...

                                                    I'm getting all of these search suggestions and I'm like.. OH YEAH. I said
                                                    early on, I even have a mental block on what to or how to properly search
                                                    not quite knowing what I should use to google with.. And have obtained an
                                                    education from these searches as well..



                                                    Thank you everyone for all of your help, recommendations and suggestions..
                                                    I'll keep you posted as I learn (if I can teach this old dog new tricks
                                                    hehehe) J



                                                    Laurie





                                                    From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                                    Of loro
                                                    Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:05 PM
                                                    To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                                    Subject: RE: [NH] Looking for Resources



                                                    I'm not all that sure about what you want to do, really, but maybe
                                                    one of these scipts does what you want.
                                                    <http://www.hotscripts.com/ASP/Scripts_and_Components/Searching/Database_Sea
                                                    rch/>

                                                    Lotta





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                                                  • loro
                                                    ... You can t mean that rolling your own would be easier for beginners? Not all of your links worked, but the page I could reach seemed to deal with that.
                                                    Message 25 of 30 , Aug 4, 2008
                                                      Hugo wrote:
                                                      >That is a good source, but maybe not for beginners?

                                                      You can't mean that rolling your own would be easier for beginners?
                                                      Not all of your links worked, but the page I could reach seemed to
                                                      deal with that.

                                                      Myself, I'm quite prolific installing scripts and can modify them
                                                      with a light hand. Not as successful writing them. ;-o)

                                                      Lotta
                                                    • Hugo Paulissen
                                                      Hi Lotta, ... No, but my experience was that most of those scripts needed some tweaking (they do not always do what you really need), or are meant for specific
                                                      Message 26 of 30 , Aug 4, 2008
                                                        Hi Lotta,
                                                        > You can't mean that rolling your own would be easier for beginners?

                                                        No, but my experience was that most of those scripts needed some tweaking (they do not always do what you really need), or are meant for specific server-configurations...
                                                        > Not all of your links worked, but the page I could reach seemed to
                                                        deal with that.

                                                        I clicked the links in my mail, on my end it seems to be ok.
                                                        Regards,
                                                        Hugo




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                                                      • Alan C
                                                        ... [ . . ] Alan, ... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=XIF&q=boolean+asp+microsoft+access&btnG=Search
                                                        Message 27 of 30 , Aug 4, 2008
                                                          On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:39 AM, LaurieK <ladyck3@...> wrote:

                                                          > Loro,

                                                          [ . . ]

                                                          Alan,
                                                          >
                                                          > MS Access is the what I'm using for the DB construction. [ . . ]
                                                          >
                                                          > Yes I am using a "form" within my "asp" page for the search..


                                                          http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=XIF&q=boolean+asp+microsoft+access&btnG=Search

                                                          At Google, I entered the next 4 words: boolean asp microsoft access

                                                          http://databases.aspfaq.com/database/how-do-i-handle-bit/boolean-columns.html

                                                          at there if you scroll slightly down can seen (asp) form (boolean search)
                                                          but it uses "post" instead of (alternative, maybe) "get", evidently uses 3
                                                          asp pages to achieve the query AND it has at least slight bit of SQL in it
                                                          too.

                                                          Isn't this fun? (don't ask me, I know nothing about it the asp, access).

                                                          I did do once, some time ago, I wrote a Perl--cgi interface to a

                                                          http://www.mysql.com/

                                                          database

                                                          which is not Microsoft Access. not asp.

                                                          on an irrelevant note: but I don't know if Mysql supports boolean or not.
                                                          --

                                                          Perl abstracts (keeps details of the SQL away from the Perl programmer)
                                                          which my point is here that a Perl programmer not need to know SQL (Perl
                                                          generates the SQL) for what I was doing the aforementioned Perl--cgi--mysql.

                                                          There's got to be perhaps some GUI app that abstracts (make it easier, more
                                                          user friendly) as opposed to geeky, machine_y like when need to do (what are
                                                          we doing here?)

                                                          I guess (the goal) it is to construct an (boolean) asp query to query an
                                                          access database

                                                          http://forums.aspfree.com/code-bank-54/advanced-boolean-search-indexing-43470.html

                                                          turned up when I now just added abstract onto the google search, a new
                                                          google search, thus:

                                                          abstract boolean asp microsoft access

                                                          (methinks google getting confused on that one [no abstract for/as a word
                                                          returned]

                                                          But it did turn up a code bank forum "advanced boolean search" at aspfree
                                                          (oh, it appears that it may be a forum about the link Hugo posted about the
                                                          Query.asp) where can ask questions.

                                                          Alan.


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                                                        • Don - HtmlFixIt.com
                                                          ... An ASP page, much like a perl cgi page or a PHP page in fact may contain many pages and coding to have it do something. If you just hit the page with no
                                                          Message 28 of 30 , Aug 5, 2008
                                                            Alan C wrote:
                                                            > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:39 AM, LaurieK <ladyck3@...> wrote:
                                                            >
                                                            >> Loro,
                                                            >
                                                            > [ . . ]
                                                            >
                                                            > Alan,
                                                            >> MS Access is the what I'm using for the DB construction. [ . . ]
                                                            >>
                                                            >> Yes I am using a "form" within my "asp" page for the search..
                                                            >

                                                            An ASP page, much like a perl cgi page or a PHP page in fact may contain
                                                            many pages and coding to have it do something.

                                                            If you just hit the page with no post or get information provided, then
                                                            it displays a page. You can use view source to see the content
                                                            generated by the ASP page, but contrary to what someone is suggesting,
                                                            you cannot see what is in the ASP pages code. To repeat you see only
                                                            the generated html -- and what is generated is controlled by what input
                                                            (or no input) is given by the user.

                                                            If you look at the ASP page, you will see a series of "choices" or
                                                            branches in the coding. It will say something like:

                                                            if there is information provided by our form then process that, create a
                                                            result and display the result

                                                            or

                                                            if there is not information provided by our form then just display the
                                                            basic page with the search form

                                                            There may be many other branches. We have written entire sites in one
                                                            script so the page address is the same for every page. The only way to
                                                            see this coding is to look in the raw coding of the ASP page. First
                                                            MAKE A BACKUP, and then using notetab, open your ASP page. Start
                                                            looking around. You will find a part that ultimately generates the
                                                            query. That is the part we are looking for. We can then tweak what is
                                                            being asked for.

                                                            Your function (part of the ASP program) that builds results isn't very
                                                            well developed, because it does not tell me no results found. It still
                                                            outputs the table heading, but the table is empty of results.

                                                            I believe something like this in your ASP is where you are headed.
                                                            http://www.asp101.com/samples/viewasp.asp?file=db_search_multi.asp

                                                            Again there are more coders in the clips or in the scripts lists than
                                                            there probably are here (no offense intended, but I think you'll find
                                                            the heavy coders in one of those two lists) and/or in off topic.
                                                          • LaurieK
                                                            OH MY GOODNESS. I sure did strike up the conversation didn t I? Man I sure appreciate it.. I ve got LOTS to research here... my mind is going swish swish
                                                            Message 29 of 30 , Aug 5, 2008
                                                              OH MY GOODNESS. I sure did strike up the conversation didn't I?

                                                              Man I sure appreciate it.. I've got LOTS to research here... my mind is
                                                              going swish swish swish.

                                                              Thanks!!!! J



                                                              Laurie





                                                              From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                                              Of Alan C
                                                              Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:18 AM
                                                              To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                                              Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources



                                                              On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:39 AM, LaurieK <ladyck3@...
                                                              <mailto:ladyck3%40tx.rr.com> > wrote:

                                                              > Loro,

                                                              [ . . ]

                                                              Alan,
                                                              >
                                                              > MS Access is the what I'm using for the DB construction. [ . . ]
                                                              >
                                                              > Yes I am using a "form" within my "asp" page for the search..

                                                              http://www.google.com/search?hl=en
                                                              <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US
                                                              %3Aofficial&hs=XIF&q=boolean+asp+microsoft+access&btnG=Search>
                                                              &client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=XIF&q=boolean+asp+mi
                                                              crosoft+access&btnG=Search

                                                              At Google, I entered the next 4 words: boolean asp microsoft access

                                                              http://databases.aspfaq.com/database/how-do-i-handle-bit/boolean-columns.htm
                                                              l

                                                              at there if you scroll slightly down can seen (asp) form (boolean search)
                                                              but it uses "post" instead of (alternative, maybe) "get", evidently uses 3
                                                              asp pages to achieve the query AND it has at least slight bit of SQL in it
                                                              too.

                                                              Isn't this fun? (don't ask me, I know nothing about it the asp, access).

                                                              I did do once, some time ago, I wrote a Perl--cgi interface to a

                                                              http://www.mysql.com/

                                                              database

                                                              which is not Microsoft Access. not asp.

                                                              on an irrelevant note: but I don't know if Mysql supports boolean or not.
                                                              --

                                                              Perl abstracts (keeps details of the SQL away from the Perl programmer)
                                                              which my point is here that a Perl programmer not need to know SQL (Perl
                                                              generates the SQL) for what I was doing the aforementioned Perl--cgi--mysql.

                                                              There's got to be perhaps some GUI app that abstracts (make it easier, more
                                                              user friendly) as opposed to geeky, machine_y like when need to do (what are
                                                              we doing here?)

                                                              I guess (the goal) it is to construct an (boolean) asp query to query an
                                                              access database

                                                              http://forums.aspfree.com/code-bank-54/advanced-boolean-search-indexing-4347
                                                              0.html

                                                              turned up when I now just added abstract onto the google search, a new
                                                              google search, thus:

                                                              abstract boolean asp microsoft access

                                                              (methinks google getting confused on that one [no abstract for/as a word
                                                              returned]

                                                              But it did turn up a code bank forum "advanced boolean search" at aspfree
                                                              (oh, it appears that it may be a forum about the link Hugo posted about the
                                                              Query.asp) where can ask questions.

                                                              Alan.

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