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  • Bruce Meyers
    I just put up a new website and I viewed it on IE, FireFox, and Opera and all looked good. I took my laptop with wifi to the local library and one of the pages
    Message 1 of 30 , Jul 30 11:59 AM
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      I just put up a new website and I viewed it on IE, FireFox, and Opera
      and all looked good. I took my laptop with wifi to the local library
      and one of the pages does not look good.

      I friend who has wireless at home and uses a laptop tells me that the
      page is "out of whack" on his computer too.

      the site is http://sawyerdems.org and the page that does not
      display properly is the Links page - page8.html The css that
      controls the layout is on ulinks.css

      My home desktops are running XP and the laptops - both mine and my
      friends - are using Vista. Could that be part of the problem?

      I would appreciate any advice, help, or suggestions about how to
      control layout problems that only appear - so far - on laptops
      running Vista.

      I am learning how to build pages with css but I am still weak on
      layout problems.

      Bruce Meyers aka oldguy1166@...
      Hayward, Wisconsin
    • sisterscape
      It s screwed up with FF on Linux too. There are differences in rendering between IE 6 and IE 7. You might still have IE 6 on your desktop. (I stopped
      Message 2 of 30 , Jul 30 12:20 PM
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        It's screwed up with FF on Linux too. There are differences in rendering between IE 6 and IE 7. You might still have IE 6 on your desktop. (I stopped designing when IE 7 came out. Fortunately, all my sites look OK on IE 7.)

        Honestly, for data like that I'd just use a table. The CSS police won't come hang you by you thumbs!

        If you're determined to do it without a table, try floating one or both of the divs. FWIW, on all my sites, I can't remember ever using a position:absolute or position:relative attribute.


        --- On Wed, 7/30/08, Bruce Meyers <oldguy1166@...> wrote:

        > From: Bruce Meyers <oldguy1166@...>
        > Subject: [NH] Problem with a page that looks good on desktops but not on laptops
        > To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
        > Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 1:59 PM
        > I just put up a new website and I viewed it on IE, FireFox,
        > and Opera
        > and all looked good. I took my laptop with wifi to the
        > local library
        > and one of the pages does not look good.
        >
        > I friend who has wireless at home and uses a laptop tells
        > me that the
        > page is "out of whack" on his computer too.
        >
        > the site is http://sawyerdems.org and the page that
        > does not
        > display properly is the Links page - page8.html The css
        > that
        > controls the layout is on ulinks.css
        >
        > My home desktops are running XP and the laptops - both mine
        > and my
        > friends - are using Vista. Could that be part of the
        > problem?
        >
        > I would appreciate any advice, help, or suggestions about
        > how to
        > control layout problems that only appear - so far - on
        > laptops
        > running Vista.
        >
        > I am learning how to build pages with css but I am still
        > weak on
        > layout problems.
        >
        > Bruce Meyers aka oldguy1166@...
        > Hayward, Wisconsin
        >
        >
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      • Greg Chapman
        Hi Bruce, ... At the risk of being hung in this handcoding group, I loaded the index and page8 files into KompoZer (http://www.kompozer.net) a wonderful little
        Message 3 of 30 , Jul 30 1:48 PM
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          Hi Bruce,

          On 30 Jul 08 20:20 sisterscape <sisterscape@...> said:
          > It's screwed up

          At the risk of being hung in this handcoding group, I loaded the index
          and page8 files into KompoZer (http://www.kompozer.net) a wonderful
          little beginners WYSIWYG editor. Its one great advantage is that it
          shows you where all the <DIV>s are... and the site is a trifle
          "over-built" shall we say. :-) (I'm sue there must be a Firefox
          extension that will do the same job!)

          page8.htm should look something like this:

          <div id="header">
          </div>
          <div id="nav">
          </div>
          <div id="content">
          <div class="column1"></div>
          <div class="column2"></div>
          </div>
          <div id="footer">
          <div class="badge"></div>
          </div>

          I suggest that "badge" and the columns are classes only because I
          could foresee such design features being used a number of times on the
          same page elsewhere on the site.

          The only difference for index.htm is that it lacks "column1" and
          "column2".

          header: (width 100%)
          contains the main blue heading (Actually, it barely needs a div of its
          own)

          nav: (float left, width 20%)
          contains the menu

          content: (left margin 20%)
          contains the county logo (float right), the "Addresses and Links"
          heading (large top margin), then the two columns

          column1: (float left, width 40%)
          contains the list of addresses

          column2: (float left)
          contains the list of addresses

          footer: (width 100%, textalign center)
          contains site name/date

          badge: (float left)
          contains the blue background and "website" text

          Your code shows all the signs of having grown like topsy, with
          additional features being added as it went along. It's often better
          to sketch the main blocks out on paper first, so you can clarify what
          has to move with what when the content has to reflow for different
          window sizes. With that clearly in your mind it makes it easier to
          work out how any later additions need to fit into the existing blocks.

          Of course, this structure (with the principle styling features I
          suggest) should also echoed on the other pages and the same stylesheet
          used (I'm guessing that ulinks.css was just a temporary kludge to
          avoid interferring with the rest of the site). Try to pick ID and
          class names that are more meaningful. It will help you understand what
          ought to go where and what relationship all the sections have. Then it
          becomes much easier.

          I'm not against siserscape's suggestion of a table in this case - it
          is tabluar data after all and not just being used for page layout.

          Also move all that in-line styling - and even more urgently the HTML
          attributes - to you stylesheet. It will then make mainainance of the
          whole site so much easier.

          Greg
        • Axel Berger
          ... 16 errors on http://validator.w3.org/ ... 31 errors on http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ Sorry, but as long as your code does not even validate I m not
          Message 4 of 30 , Jul 30 3:08 PM
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            Bruce Meyers wrote:
            > the site is http://sawyerdems.org and the page that does not
            > display properly is the Links page - page8.html

            16 errors on http://validator.w3.org/

            > The css that controls the layout is on ulinks.css

            31 errors on http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

            Sorry, but as long as your code does not even validate I'm not going
            to look into details. But don't fret - a lot of suble hard to find
            inconsistencies may be left in validating code. I'll be glad to help
            look for those.

            Axel
          • LaurieK
            I m in the HTML group for Notepad because its well. web page/site related info that I m seeking. I have a website where I maintain a database http://ladyck.com
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              I'm in the HTML group for Notepad because its well. web page/site related
              info that I'm seeking.



              I have a website where I maintain a database http://ladyck.com The database
              has 18607 records all articles, recipes and patterns from the Workbasket
              magazine, launched October 1935 and last issue 1996. These pages are
              written in ASP (the index and frames are html).



              I am NOT a programmer, I do not understand (can't wrap my head around syntax
              and do not have the tools to know how to speak the language and I get toooo
              frustrated trying to figure out what is what). A coworker helped me with a
              work database and I have been able to migrate the information over to my
              personal database. The problem is, he does not know yet. how to create a
              Boolean type search...



              If you try the website, you will see that you can search for one word only,
              so if I search for "doily" I get all patterns whether knit, tatting,
              crochet.. But if I want to find all of the tatted doily patterns I can't.
              We had it set up with a category drop down, so you pick a category from a
              drop down menu and THEN type in your one word search criteria but I don't
              want to have to use that. AND 'we' have gained knowledge as we've each
              worked on databases/asp to the point that my original drop down menu page
              has changed drastically enough it warranted a new page.. And I don't know
              how to incorporate the drop down menu in the new one. (the dim information
              and what not that has to be added).



              SO.. Does anyone know how to program or where I can look for a 101 tutorial
              on how to do this?



              I see folks in the clip form talk about RegEx but I don't understand that.
              Jody and Jim Hall (may they both rest in peace, danged cancer) tried to hold
              my hand.. I'm hopeless but I WANT TO KNOW THIS.



              I can't even find some sort of online generator for this stuff, nor do I
              know what to search for.. Do I look for "how do I create" or "how do I
              write" or whatever. a BOOLEAN search? Or is there some sort of javascript
              that can do this?





              Seriously, any ideas? Does Google offer some sort of free search tool and
              if so, is it a site search or can you have it look for key words in a
              database?



              Confused and frustrated.



              Laurie



              THANKS! (BTW, we have been working from home, me and my coworker as our
              offices are under construction so we have not seen each other in a couple of
              weeks and won't be for a couple more I suspect.. And he said he didn't know
              how to do this and would have to research and we'd get together on it when
              we got back in the office. I don't even know what I need to search for to
              get the help... and I'm antsy as all get out because I just recently (2
              days ago) completed the data entry on my database and its up and running. I
              WANT TO ENHANCE in the worst way.



              HELP!!





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            • jmgledhill
              What software are you using for your database? I m not the one to help with a database in a website but before you get much help from Notetab, you will have
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                What software are you using for your database? I'm not the one to help with
                a database in a website but before you get much help from Notetab, you will
                have to define what your database is, etc. Is it in MS Access, or Fox Pro,
                etc. It's an issue of sorting the records and much more information will be
                required. IMHO

                CYA, Joe


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              • fw7oaks
                ... When I tried doily tatted I got one hit, the other way round tatted doily I got 30, if I used tatted % doily where % = word (Pansy, Snowflake, Ruffle
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                  --- On Sat, 8/2/08, LaurieK <ladyck3@...> wrote:

                  > If you try the website, you will see that you can search for one word
                  > only, so if I search for "doily" I get all patterns whether knit,
                  > tatting, crochet.. But if I want to find all of the tatted doily
                  > patterns I can't.

                  When I tried 'doily tatted' I got one hit, the other way round 'tatted doily' I got 30, if I used 'tatted % doily' where % = word (Pansy, Snowflake, Ruffle . . ) I got ten hits

                  I'm not sure I understand your problem :-(

                  fw
                • LaurieK
                  MS Access is the database, the pages are ASP and the data is sorted by Volume and then my Issue Number.. There primary key is autonumber, of couse.. Not sure
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                    MS Access is the database, the pages are ASP and the data is sorted by
                    Volume and then my Issue Number.. There primary key is autonumber, of
                    couse..



                    Not sure if Notetab is the answer but pointing me in the right direction
                    would be appreciated J



                    Laurie



                    From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                    Of jmgledhill
                    Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 5:21 PM
                    To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: RE: [NH] Looking for Resources



                    What software are you using for your database? I'm not the one to help with
                    a database in a website but before you get much help from Notetab, you will
                    have to define what your database is, etc. Is it in MS Access, or Fox Pro,
                    etc. It's an issue of sorting the records and much more information will be
                    required. IMHO

                    CYA, Joe

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                  • LaurieK
                    LMAO.is my problem. Me? hehehe From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fw7oaks Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 6:25 PM
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                      LMAO.is my problem. Me? hehehe



                      From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                      Of fw7oaks
                      Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 6:25 PM
                      To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources




                      --- On Sat, 8/2/08, LaurieK <ladyck3@... <mailto:ladyck3%40tx.rr.com>
                      > wrote:

                      > If you try the website, you will see that you can search for one word
                      > only, so if I search for "doily" I get all patterns whether knit,
                      > tatting, crochet.. But if I want to find all of the tatted doily
                      > patterns I can't.

                      When I tried 'doily tatted' I got one hit, the other way round 'tatted
                      doily' I got 30, if I used 'tatted % doily' where % = word (Pansy,
                      Snowflake, Ruffle . . ) I got ten hits

                      I'm not sure I understand your problem :-(

                      fw





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                    • LaurieK
                      The search will pull anything with the criteria, supposedly but if you enter tat (which is the topic) and doily you get nothing.. I tried tat % doily w/o
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                        The search will pull anything with the criteria, supposedly but if you enter
                        tat (which is the topic) and doily you get nothing.. I tried "tat % doily"
                        w/o the " and got one "Tat a Doily" but its not pulling from both is only
                        pulling what it sees together.. That makes sense in my head, I hope I
                        expressed it properly.



                        If I try something like Kansas quilt, I get nothing, if I search for State
                        Quilt Kansas I get nothing.. the Pattern_Recipe field shows State Quilt
                        Patterns Kansas; North Dakota I



                        Its not pulling Quilt from Topic and Kansas from Pattern.. Maybe I'm asking
                        for too much? Maybe I don't know what I want...



                        From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                        Of fw7oaks
                        Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 6:25 PM
                        To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources




                        --- On Sat, 8/2/08, LaurieK <ladyck3@... <mailto:ladyck3%40tx.rr.com>
                        > wrote:

                        > If you try the website, you will see that you can search for one word
                        > only, so if I search for "doily" I get all patterns whether knit,
                        > tatting, crochet.. But if I want to find all of the tatted doily
                        > patterns I can't.

                        When I tried 'doily tatted' I got one hit, the other way round 'tatted
                        doily' I got 30, if I used 'tatted % doily' where % = word (Pansy,
                        Snowflake, Ruffle . . ) I got ten hits

                        I'm not sure I understand your problem :-(

                        fw





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                      • fw7oaks
                        ... [snip] ... Yes you are. I have trouble with databases too, if I can t imagine it, I m stuck, but I can imagine your problem. You ve got a pile of 18607
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                          --- On Sun, 8/3/08, LaurieK <ladyck3@...> wrote:

                          [snip]

                          > Its not pulling Quilt from Topic and Kansas from Pattern.. Maybe I'm
                          > asking for too much?

                          Yes you are.

                          I have trouble with databases too, if I can't imagine it, I'm stuck, but I can imagine your problem. You've got a pile of 18607 cards, imagine the cards have three columns, first column contains everything we are not interested in, the second column contains everything written in 'Topic' and the last everything written in 'Pattern_Receipt'.

                          So far so good ?

                          When you type something (say ******) into the search box it's like saying to your faithful but not very bright helper "Find ******" in the Topic column. Hours later after shuffling through the 18607 cards he comes back with say 30 cards, you look at the cards, and say but there's no pattern or receipts with ******.

                          He says "You didn't tell me to look there"

                          All I know about MS Access is that I don't want to learn more, but I suspect you have a query that says something like
                          'Query Topic for ******'
                          and it should say something like
                          'Query Topic AND/OR Pattern_Receipt for ******'
                          You'll have to find somebody else to help you there, you might even need a second input box on the form.

                          > Maybe I don't know what I want...

                          Always possible, but at least I've got a faint clue even if I can't do the detail for you.

                          fw
                        • LaurieK
                          Well you head is in the right zone.. with me. and all I can do is pray for you LOL.. Its such a scary place! hehehe Thanks much for entertaining the idea..
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                            Well you head is in the right zone.. with me. and all I can do is pray for
                            you LOL.. Its such a scary place! hehehe

                            Thanks much for entertaining the idea.. Its truly appreciated.



                            Laurie



                            From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                            Of fw7oaks
                            Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 3:57 AM
                            To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: RE: [NH] Looking for Resources



                            --- On Sun, 8/3/08, LaurieK <ladyck3@... <mailto:ladyck3%40tx.rr.com>
                            > wrote:

                            [snip]

                            > Its not pulling Quilt from Topic and Kansas from Pattern.. Maybe I'm
                            > asking for too much?

                            Yes you are.

                            I have trouble with databases too, if I can't imagine it, I'm stuck, but I
                            can imagine your problem. You've got a pile of 18607 cards, imagine the
                            cards have three columns, first column contains everything we are not
                            interested in, the second column contains everything written in 'Topic' and
                            the last everything written in 'Pattern_Receipt'.

                            So far so good ?

                            When you type something (say ******) into the search box it's like saying to
                            your faithful but not very bright helper "Find ******" in the Topic column.
                            Hours later after shuffling through the 18607 cards he comes back with say
                            30 cards, you look at the cards, and say but there's no pattern or receipts
                            with ******.

                            He says "You didn't tell me to look there"

                            All I know about MS Access is that I don't want to learn more, but I suspect
                            you have a query that says something like
                            'Query Topic for ******'
                            and it should say something like
                            'Query Topic AND/OR Pattern_Receipt for ******'
                            You'll have to find somebody else to help you there, you might even need a
                            second input box on the form.

                            > Maybe I don't know what I want...

                            Always possible, but at least I've got a faint clue even if I can't do the
                            detail for you.

                            fw





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                          • Don - HtmlFixIt.com
                            ... What you are asking is not html at all. You submit a form to this page: /data/new_wb_lookup.asp That is undoubtedly a script that processes inquiry. You
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                              LaurieK wrote:
                              > Well you head is in the right zone.. with me. and all I can do is pray for
                              > you LOL.. Its such a scary place! hehehe
                              >
                              > Thanks much for entertaining the idea.. Its truly appreciated.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Laurie
                              What you are asking is not html at all.

                              You submit a form to this page: /data/new_wb_lookup.asp

                              That is undoubtedly a script that processes inquiry.

                              You will get a lot further at clips, scripting or even off topic than on
                              this list.

                              If you search with google for something like this:
                              asp database query

                              You will get lots of hits.

                              Without seeing your database and your query, I couldn't possibly be too
                              helpful.
                            • LaurieK
                              Thanks Don, for guiding me to another group, its not HTML, not sure what caused me to post here. Appreciate it! From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
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                                Thanks Don, for guiding me to another group, its not HTML, not sure what
                                caused me to post here.



                                Appreciate it!



                                From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                Of Don - HtmlFixIt.com
                                Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 10:21 AM
                                To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources



                                LaurieK wrote:
                                > Well you head is in the right zone.. with me. and all I can do is pray for
                                > you LOL.. Its such a scary place! hehehe
                                >
                                > Thanks much for entertaining the idea.. Its truly appreciated.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Laurie
                                What you are asking is not html at all.

                                You submit a form to this page: /data/new_wb_lookup.asp

                                That is undoubtedly a script that processes inquiry.

                                You will get a lot further at clips, scripting or even off topic than on
                                this list.

                                If you search with google for something like this:
                                asp database query

                                You will get lots of hits.

                                Without seeing your database and your query, I couldn't possibly be too
                                helpful.





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                              • Alan C
                                (sounds like ultimately you want to make use of your own) but, FWIW you can use the google, have google search only just your site (seamless? ie does so from a
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                                  (sounds like ultimately you want to make use of your own) but, FWIW
                                  you can use the google, have google search only just your site
                                  (seamless? ie does so from a form field that you put/have on a page or
                                  whatever pages of your site).

                                  http://www.stonehenge.com/index.html

                                  See it in use at there (scroll down, you'll see it) has done so for a long time.

                                  I don't know if you need any sort of (likely free) identifier or etc.
                                  from google or not to do so. (there's an AWFID [I don't know what it
                                  is] in the next code copied from the above listed site.

                                  <!-- Search Google -->
                                  <div align="center">
                                  <FORM method="GET" action="http://www.google.com/custom">
                                  <A class="google" HREF="http://www.google.com/search">
                                  <IMG cclass="google" SRC=http://www.google.com/logos/Logo_40wht.gif
                                  border=0 ALT=Google align=middle></A><br />

                                  <INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=15 maxlength=255 value=""><br />
                                  <INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE="Search mysite">
                                  <INPUT type=hidden name=cof
                                  VALUE="S:http://www.mysite.com;AH:center;AWFID:c32c3e920bca5918;">
                                  <input type=hidden name=domains value="mysite.com"><input type=hidden
                                  name=sitesearch value="mysite.com">
                                  </FORM>
                                  </div>
                                  <!-- Search Google -->



                                  On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM, LaurieK <ladyck3@...> wrote:

                                  > I'm in the HTML group for Notepad because its well. web page/site related
                                  >
                                  [ . . ]

                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Seriously, any ideas? Does Google offer some sort of free search tool and
                                  > if so, is it a site search or can you have it look for key words in a
                                  > database?


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                                • sisterscape
                                  Will Google search a database? I thought it only searched html.
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                                    Will Google search a database? I thought it only searched html.


                                    --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Alan C <acummingsus@...> wrote:

                                    > From: Alan C <acummingsus@...>
                                    > Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources
                                    > To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:25 PM
                                    > (sounds like ultimately you want to make use of your own)
                                    > but, FWIW
                                    > you can use the google, have google search only just your
                                    > site
                                    > (seamless? ie does so from a form field that you put/have
                                    > on a page or
                                    > whatever pages of your site).
                                    >
                                    > http://www.stonehenge.com/index.html
                                    >
                                    > See it in use at there (scroll down, you'll see it) has
                                    > done so for a long time.
                                    >
                                    > I don't know if you need any sort of (likely free)
                                    > identifier or etc.
                                    > from google or not to do so. (there's an AWFID [I
                                    > don't know what it
                                    > is] in the next code copied from the above listed site.
                                    >
                                    > <!-- Search Google -->
                                    > <div align="center">
                                    > <FORM method="GET"
                                    > action="http://www.google.com/custom">
                                    > <A class="google"
                                    > HREF="http://www.google.com/search">
                                    > <IMG cclass="google"
                                    > SRC=http://www.google.com/logos/Logo_40wht.gif
                                    > border=0 ALT=Google align=middle></A><br />
                                    >
                                    > <INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=15 maxlength=255
                                    > value=""><br />
                                    > <INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE="Search
                                    > mysite">
                                    > <INPUT type=hidden name=cof
                                    > VALUE="S:http://www.mysite.com;AH:center;AWFID:c32c3e920bca5918;">
                                    > <input type=hidden name=domains
                                    > value="mysite.com"><input type=hidden
                                    > name=sitesearch value="mysite.com">
                                    > </FORM>
                                    > </div>
                                    > <!-- Search Google -->
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM, LaurieK
                                    > <ladyck3@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > > I'm in the HTML group for Notepad because its
                                    > well. web page/site related
                                    > >
                                    > [ . . ]
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Seriously, any ideas? Does Google offer some sort of
                                    > free search tool and
                                    > > if so, is it a site search or can you have it look for
                                    > key words in a
                                    > > database?
                                    >
                                    >
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                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ------------------------------------
                                    >
                                    > Fookes Software: http://www.fookes.com/
                                    > NoteTab website: http://www.notetab.com/
                                    > NoteTab Discussion Lists: http://www.notetab.com/groups.php
                                    >
                                    > ***
                                    > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                  • LaurieK
                                    That s what I was afraid of even bothering with is that I don t think Google will search within a database, its more of a site search where ou have keywords
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                                      That's what I was afraid of even bothering with is that I don't think Google
                                      will search within a database, its more of a "site search" where ou have
                                      keywords embedded in the page and it does its thing.



                                      I do appreciate everyone's assistance though J



                                      Laurie



                                      From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                      Of sisterscape
                                      Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 1:01 PM
                                      To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources



                                      Will Google search a database? I thought it only searched html.

                                      --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Alan C <acummingsus@...
                                      <mailto:acummingsus%40gmail.com> > wrote:

                                      > From: Alan C <acummingsus@... <mailto:acummingsus%40gmail.com> >
                                      > Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources
                                      > To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ntb-html%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:25 PM
                                      > (sounds like ultimately you want to make use of your own)
                                      > but, FWIW
                                      > you can use the google, have google search only just your
                                      > site
                                      > (seamless? ie does so from a form field that you put/have
                                      > on a page or
                                      > whatever pages of your site).
                                      >
                                      > http://www.stonehenge.com/index.html
                                      >
                                      > See it in use at there (scroll down, you'll see it) has
                                      > done so for a long time.
                                      >
                                      > I don't know if you need any sort of (likely free)
                                      > identifier or etc.
                                      > from google or not to do so. (there's an AWFID [I
                                      > don't know what it
                                      > is] in the next code copied from the above listed site.
                                      >
                                      > <!-- Search Google -->
                                      > <div align="center">
                                      > <FORM method="GET"
                                      > action="http://www.google.com/custom">
                                      > <A class="google"
                                      > HREF="http://www.google.com/search">
                                      > <IMG cclass="google"
                                      > SRC=http://www.google.com/logos/Logo_40wht.gif
                                      > border=0 ALT=Google align=middle></A><br />
                                      >
                                      > <INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=15 maxlength=255
                                      > value=""><br />
                                      > <INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE="Search
                                      > mysite">
                                      > <INPUT type=hidden name=cof
                                      > VALUE="S:http://www.mysite.com;AH:center;AWFID:c32c3e920bca5918;">
                                      > <input type=hidden name=domains
                                      > value="mysite.com"><input type=hidden
                                      > name=sitesearch value="mysite.com">
                                      > </FORM>
                                      > </div>
                                      > <!-- Search Google -->
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM, LaurieK
                                      > <ladyck3@... <mailto:ladyck3%40tx.rr.com> > wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > I'm in the HTML group for Notepad because its
                                      > well. web page/site related
                                      > >
                                      > [ . . ]
                                      >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Seriously, any ideas? Does Google offer some sort of
                                      > free search tool and
                                      > > if so, is it a site search or can you have it look for
                                      > key words in a
                                      > > database?
                                      >
                                      >
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                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ------------------------------------
                                      >
                                      > Fookes Software: http://www.fookes.com/
                                      > NoteTab website: http://www.notetab.com/
                                      > NoteTab Discussion Lists: http://www.notetab.com/groups.php
                                      >
                                      > ***
                                      > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >





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                                    • jmgledhill
                                      Try doing a search in Google for html database and you will find converters that should let you do searches on multiple fields. [Non-text portions of this
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                                        Try doing a search in Google for "html database" and you will find
                                        converters that should let you do searches on multiple fields.


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                                      • LaurieK
                                        Oh cool.. thanks for the tip. off to google J From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jmgledhill Sent: Sunday, August 03,
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                                          Oh cool.. thanks for the tip. off to google J



                                          From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                          Of jmgledhill
                                          Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 1:40 PM
                                          To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: RE: [NH] Looking for Resources



                                          Try doing a search in Google for "html database" and you will find
                                          converters that should let you do searches on multiple fields.

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                                        • loro
                                          I m not all that sure about what you want to do, really, but maybe one of these scipts does what you want.
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                                            I'm not all that sure about what you want to do, really, but maybe
                                            one of these scipts does what you want.
                                            <http://www.hotscripts.com/ASP/Scripts_and_Components/Searching/Database_Search/>

                                            Lotta
                                          • Alan C
                                            re google, I had used the word site I think Don had it a while back ie form etc. Perl can do this (mute since this is already known). -- I assume that when
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                                              re google, I had used the word "site"

                                              I think Don had it a while back ie "form" etc.

                                              Perl can do this (mute since this is already known).
                                              --

                                              I assume that when using web browser to search said database that it is a
                                              "form" (where the user interactivity is) where user's query is entered --
                                              and that it would then be one of the "methods" ie for example cgi, perl_cgi,
                                              perl_dbi, cold fusion markup language, python_+_whatever, asp,
                                              yet_another_different_backend_method_of_your_choice_goes_here.

                                              Didn't Laurie say it's asp?

                                              But it's not to matter for what Laurie seeks here, really, (as to whatever
                                              the "back end" (A.K.A method(s)) is.

                                              The action (that's needed here) is in getting the form filled with the
                                              search query ? I guess?

                                              Or ?? does Laurie need to come up with a backend (and/or entire) method so
                                              as with which to accomplish the searching of a database as in right now
                                              currently there is no (via www) searching of the data base.

                                              --
                                              Alan.


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                                            • Alan C
                                              (it s not hidden) (doesn t need to be hidden) IOW anyone viewing source in web browser: http://www.ladyck.com/data/new_wb_lookup.asp works for when entering
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                                                (it's not hidden) (doesn't need to be hidden) IOW anyone viewing source in
                                                web browser:

                                                http://www.ladyck.com/data/new_wb_lookup.asp

                                                works for when entering one search word (I entered "yarn").

                                                Uses the "get" (I forget if this get is an http, cgi, whatever--method). A
                                                back end of some sort exists due to the output results (are found and then)
                                                are (outputted as) dynamically written html.

                                                Laurie wants to implement boolean.

                                                Laurie, how is the actual searching IOW what brand is the database

                                                IOW different types/brand of databases likely have need to accept certain
                                                type of query

                                                IOW does the database itself support boolean (if not then something need
                                                detect when two words and divvy it up into two separate queries, assembling
                                                all of the output results together.

                                                Likely your database supports boolean but that you seek how to query it in
                                                boolean.

                                                HTH. Alan.


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                                              • Hugo Paulissen
                                                Hi, That is a good source, but maybe not for beginners? I went through this a couple of years ago (ASP - Queries - MS Access...), and found out that the main
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                                                  Hi,
                                                  That is a good source, but maybe not for beginners? I went through this a couple of years ago (ASP - Queries - MS Access...), and found out that the main thing to master is the querystring. There are ways to have the querystring that is sent to the db displayed to the user (don't ask me now, I'm no longer active in that field); if you enable this you can actually see what the exact searchstring contains. That helped me a lot; it gave me insight in the inner workings of the whole process.
                                                  The form that handles the user input results in a string that must be passed to the database. And this needs to be (fine-)tuned. You'll need to do some learning (lots of websites available), otherwise you have to look for alternatives, but do not give up to soon...
                                                  It may help to change the string within the asp-page itself (append wildchards for instance) - in order to get better results. If you know exactly what the string should be (you can use trial and error) you have to find a way to have this string generated by means of the interaction with the user. Without actually seeing the asp code, and not knowing what the connection is, it is hard to help you out.
                                                  I found the 4guysfromrolla-website very helpful. Another tool that I used to master the database techniques was from Roman Koch (http://www.romankoch.ch/capslock/editor.htm%c2%a0or%c2%a0http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/110999-1.shtml). Play with it and try to see how you can benefit from the example-code. It may be old, but I reckon that will not be a big problem.
                                                  Frontpage is the MS tool that may help you further: it may be used to generate db-connections and instructions in asp directly. I've followed some tutorials about the Frontpage database wizard and learnt a lot from that (see a.o. http://www.frontpagehowto.com/examples.asp). I must acknowledge that I used a tool to have all superfluous code stripped automatically (Notetab was very helpful in that respect). So: I built some code with fronpage, had that stripped in order to look at the resulting querystring, and most of the time I edited the resulting asp-page (but you have to know what you are doing, if you do it that way...).
                                                  Hope this helps.
                                                  Hugo



                                                  ----- Original Message ----
                                                  From: loro <loro-spam01-@...>
                                                  To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Sent: Monday, August 4, 2008 3:04:40 AM
                                                  Subject: RE: [NH] Looking for Resources


                                                  I'm not all that sure about what you want to do, really, but maybe
                                                  one of these scipts does what you want.
                                                  <http://www.hotscrip ts.com/ASP/ Scripts_and_ Components/ Searching/ Database_ Search/>

                                                  Lotta






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                                                • Hugo Paulissen
                                                  Hi LaurieK, Oh yes, this may be of help as well... Also from Roman Koch: http://www.romankoch.ch/capslock/query.htm Query.ASP - a general-purpose database
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                                                    Hi LaurieK,
                                                    Oh yes, this may be of help as well... Also from Roman Koch: http://www.romankoch.ch/capslock/query.htm
                                                    Query.ASP - a general-purpose database query manager for Microsoft Access tables
                                                    Hugo




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                                                  • LaurieK
                                                    Loro, Thanks for the resource, I got it LATE last night and will check it out today.. Alan, MS Access is the what I m using for the DB construction. I know
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                                                      Loro,



                                                      Thanks for the resource, I got it LATE last night and will check it out
                                                      today..



                                                      Alan,

                                                      MS Access is the what I'm using for the DB construction. I know NOTHING
                                                      about SQL or MySQL. or any other methods.. I know enough about Access to be
                                                      DANGEROUS.. I'm using Office 2007 but my server doesn't support that version
                                                      so the DB is in 2003 version.



                                                      Yes I am using a "form" within my "asp" page for the search..



                                                      Hugo.

                                                      I'm using Dreamweaver. I have FrontPage but for work purposes/support I'm
                                                      using Dreamweaver as my webpage editor.. The tip you gave me about the query
                                                      string. we did something once about using a "+" for the end of the search
                                                      string but that was when we had a drop down menu I believe. but I will go
                                                      back and check into my other resources, thank for the memory Jog! J



                                                      I'll also check out the other resources and tips that you offered, I
                                                      appreciate it..



                                                      Jmgledhill, sisterscape, Don, Alan, fw7oaks...

                                                      I'm getting all of these search suggestions and I'm like.. OH YEAH. I said
                                                      early on, I even have a mental block on what to or how to properly search
                                                      not quite knowing what I should use to google with.. And have obtained an
                                                      education from these searches as well..



                                                      Thank you everyone for all of your help, recommendations and suggestions..
                                                      I'll keep you posted as I learn (if I can teach this old dog new tricks
                                                      hehehe) J



                                                      Laurie





                                                      From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                                      Of loro
                                                      Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:05 PM
                                                      To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                                      Subject: RE: [NH] Looking for Resources



                                                      I'm not all that sure about what you want to do, really, but maybe
                                                      one of these scipts does what you want.
                                                      <http://www.hotscripts.com/ASP/Scripts_and_Components/Searching/Database_Sea
                                                      rch/>

                                                      Lotta





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                                                    • loro
                                                      ... You can t mean that rolling your own would be easier for beginners? Not all of your links worked, but the page I could reach seemed to deal with that.
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                                                        Hugo wrote:
                                                        >That is a good source, but maybe not for beginners?

                                                        You can't mean that rolling your own would be easier for beginners?
                                                        Not all of your links worked, but the page I could reach seemed to
                                                        deal with that.

                                                        Myself, I'm quite prolific installing scripts and can modify them
                                                        with a light hand. Not as successful writing them. ;-o)

                                                        Lotta
                                                      • Hugo Paulissen
                                                        Hi Lotta, ... No, but my experience was that most of those scripts needed some tweaking (they do not always do what you really need), or are meant for specific
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                                                          Hi Lotta,
                                                          > You can't mean that rolling your own would be easier for beginners?

                                                          No, but my experience was that most of those scripts needed some tweaking (they do not always do what you really need), or are meant for specific server-configurations...
                                                          > Not all of your links worked, but the page I could reach seemed to
                                                          deal with that.

                                                          I clicked the links in my mail, on my end it seems to be ok.
                                                          Regards,
                                                          Hugo




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                                                        • Alan C
                                                          ... [ . . ] Alan, ... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=XIF&q=boolean+asp+microsoft+access&btnG=Search
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                                                            On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:39 AM, LaurieK <ladyck3@...> wrote:

                                                            > Loro,

                                                            [ . . ]

                                                            Alan,
                                                            >
                                                            > MS Access is the what I'm using for the DB construction. [ . . ]
                                                            >
                                                            > Yes I am using a "form" within my "asp" page for the search..


                                                            http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=XIF&q=boolean+asp+microsoft+access&btnG=Search

                                                            At Google, I entered the next 4 words: boolean asp microsoft access

                                                            http://databases.aspfaq.com/database/how-do-i-handle-bit/boolean-columns.html

                                                            at there if you scroll slightly down can seen (asp) form (boolean search)
                                                            but it uses "post" instead of (alternative, maybe) "get", evidently uses 3
                                                            asp pages to achieve the query AND it has at least slight bit of SQL in it
                                                            too.

                                                            Isn't this fun? (don't ask me, I know nothing about it the asp, access).

                                                            I did do once, some time ago, I wrote a Perl--cgi interface to a

                                                            http://www.mysql.com/

                                                            database

                                                            which is not Microsoft Access. not asp.

                                                            on an irrelevant note: but I don't know if Mysql supports boolean or not.
                                                            --

                                                            Perl abstracts (keeps details of the SQL away from the Perl programmer)
                                                            which my point is here that a Perl programmer not need to know SQL (Perl
                                                            generates the SQL) for what I was doing the aforementioned Perl--cgi--mysql.

                                                            There's got to be perhaps some GUI app that abstracts (make it easier, more
                                                            user friendly) as opposed to geeky, machine_y like when need to do (what are
                                                            we doing here?)

                                                            I guess (the goal) it is to construct an (boolean) asp query to query an
                                                            access database

                                                            http://forums.aspfree.com/code-bank-54/advanced-boolean-search-indexing-43470.html

                                                            turned up when I now just added abstract onto the google search, a new
                                                            google search, thus:

                                                            abstract boolean asp microsoft access

                                                            (methinks google getting confused on that one [no abstract for/as a word
                                                            returned]

                                                            But it did turn up a code bank forum "advanced boolean search" at aspfree
                                                            (oh, it appears that it may be a forum about the link Hugo posted about the
                                                            Query.asp) where can ask questions.

                                                            Alan.


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                                                          • Don - HtmlFixIt.com
                                                            ... An ASP page, much like a perl cgi page or a PHP page in fact may contain many pages and coding to have it do something. If you just hit the page with no
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                                                              Alan C wrote:
                                                              > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:39 AM, LaurieK <ladyck3@...> wrote:
                                                              >
                                                              >> Loro,
                                                              >
                                                              > [ . . ]
                                                              >
                                                              > Alan,
                                                              >> MS Access is the what I'm using for the DB construction. [ . . ]
                                                              >>
                                                              >> Yes I am using a "form" within my "asp" page for the search..
                                                              >

                                                              An ASP page, much like a perl cgi page or a PHP page in fact may contain
                                                              many pages and coding to have it do something.

                                                              If you just hit the page with no post or get information provided, then
                                                              it displays a page. You can use view source to see the content
                                                              generated by the ASP page, but contrary to what someone is suggesting,
                                                              you cannot see what is in the ASP pages code. To repeat you see only
                                                              the generated html -- and what is generated is controlled by what input
                                                              (or no input) is given by the user.

                                                              If you look at the ASP page, you will see a series of "choices" or
                                                              branches in the coding. It will say something like:

                                                              if there is information provided by our form then process that, create a
                                                              result and display the result

                                                              or

                                                              if there is not information provided by our form then just display the
                                                              basic page with the search form

                                                              There may be many other branches. We have written entire sites in one
                                                              script so the page address is the same for every page. The only way to
                                                              see this coding is to look in the raw coding of the ASP page. First
                                                              MAKE A BACKUP, and then using notetab, open your ASP page. Start
                                                              looking around. You will find a part that ultimately generates the
                                                              query. That is the part we are looking for. We can then tweak what is
                                                              being asked for.

                                                              Your function (part of the ASP program) that builds results isn't very
                                                              well developed, because it does not tell me no results found. It still
                                                              outputs the table heading, but the table is empty of results.

                                                              I believe something like this in your ASP is where you are headed.
                                                              http://www.asp101.com/samples/viewasp.asp?file=db_search_multi.asp

                                                              Again there are more coders in the clips or in the scripts lists than
                                                              there probably are here (no offense intended, but I think you'll find
                                                              the heavy coders in one of those two lists) and/or in off topic.
                                                            • LaurieK
                                                              OH MY GOODNESS. I sure did strike up the conversation didn t I? Man I sure appreciate it.. I ve got LOTS to research here... my mind is going swish swish
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                                                                OH MY GOODNESS. I sure did strike up the conversation didn't I?

                                                                Man I sure appreciate it.. I've got LOTS to research here... my mind is
                                                                going swish swish swish.

                                                                Thanks!!!! J



                                                                Laurie





                                                                From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                                                Of Alan C
                                                                Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:18 AM
                                                                To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                                                                Subject: Re: [NH] Looking for Resources



                                                                On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:39 AM, LaurieK <ladyck3@...
                                                                <mailto:ladyck3%40tx.rr.com> > wrote:

                                                                > Loro,

                                                                [ . . ]

                                                                Alan,
                                                                >
                                                                > MS Access is the what I'm using for the DB construction. [ . . ]
                                                                >
                                                                > Yes I am using a "form" within my "asp" page for the search..

                                                                http://www.google.com/search?hl=en
                                                                <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US
                                                                %3Aofficial&hs=XIF&q=boolean+asp+microsoft+access&btnG=Search>
                                                                &client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=XIF&q=boolean+asp+mi
                                                                crosoft+access&btnG=Search

                                                                At Google, I entered the next 4 words: boolean asp microsoft access

                                                                http://databases.aspfaq.com/database/how-do-i-handle-bit/boolean-columns.htm
                                                                l

                                                                at there if you scroll slightly down can seen (asp) form (boolean search)
                                                                but it uses "post" instead of (alternative, maybe) "get", evidently uses 3
                                                                asp pages to achieve the query AND it has at least slight bit of SQL in it
                                                                too.

                                                                Isn't this fun? (don't ask me, I know nothing about it the asp, access).

                                                                I did do once, some time ago, I wrote a Perl--cgi interface to a

                                                                http://www.mysql.com/

                                                                database

                                                                which is not Microsoft Access. not asp.

                                                                on an irrelevant note: but I don't know if Mysql supports boolean or not.
                                                                --

                                                                Perl abstracts (keeps details of the SQL away from the Perl programmer)
                                                                which my point is here that a Perl programmer not need to know SQL (Perl
                                                                generates the SQL) for what I was doing the aforementioned Perl--cgi--mysql.

                                                                There's got to be perhaps some GUI app that abstracts (make it easier, more
                                                                user friendly) as opposed to geeky, machine_y like when need to do (what are
                                                                we doing here?)

                                                                I guess (the goal) it is to construct an (boolean) asp query to query an
                                                                access database

                                                                http://forums.aspfree.com/code-bank-54/advanced-boolean-search-indexing-4347
                                                                0.html

                                                                turned up when I now just added abstract onto the google search, a new
                                                                google search, thus:

                                                                abstract boolean asp microsoft access

                                                                (methinks google getting confused on that one [no abstract for/as a word
                                                                returned]

                                                                But it did turn up a code bank forum "advanced boolean search" at aspfree
                                                                (oh, it appears that it may be a forum about the link Hugo posted about the
                                                                Query.asp) where can ask questions.

                                                                Alan.

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