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Re: [NH] case requirements for JPG

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  • GilaMountainDulcimers.com
    My camera also saves the images with upper case names and generic numbers. I always rename my images after optimizing them -- it is very less confusing to
    Message 1 of 28 , May 25, 2008
      My camera also saves the images with upper case names and generic numbers. I always rename my images after optimizing them -- it is very less confusing to work with a picture named "my-first-puppy.jpg" rather than M1009857.JPG. How do you remember what it is??? And I agree with Sister. You will find that a lot of servers will not recognize an file in upper case. I use lower case for EVERYTHING.

      Hugs,
      Kerry Coates in New Mexico
      http://www.network-marketing-mlm-business.com
      http://www.Amazing-Health-Products.com
      http://www.GilaMountainDulcimers.com
      http://www.GilaMountainDulcimers.com/pekes-family.htm




      ----- Original Message -----
      From: algeddis
      To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 1:25 AM
      Subject: [NH] case requirements for JPG


      Hi....I'm new here and while I saw a few old relevant posts, I did not
      see any resolution. My camera, a common Canon digital Elph, records
      images as IMG_106.JPG, IMG_107.JPG and so on. When I use NoteTab Lite
      5.6 to insert an image into a web page, I get something like this:
      <IMG SRC="images/img_0159.jpg" WIDTH="515" HEIGHT="296" ALT="">

      Note that IMG_0159.JPG was converted by NoteTab to img_0159.jpg

      I put a sample page here:
      http://www.cynicus.org/Test_Output3/

      While the image will preview locally in IE of FFx, it will NOT when I
      upload to the web as .JPG is not the same as .jpg. Clearly I can rename
      the image or edit the code, but in either case I'm doing extra work. It
      would seem there should be some option to handle this in NoteTab, but
      darn if I can find it. Is NoteTab Pro different? Many thanks.





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    • sisterscape
      ... Linux does not have anything against use of upper case in file names per se. It s just that the case of the file name being called in the url must match
      Message 2 of 28 , May 25, 2008
        --- "GilaMountainDulcimers.com" <kerry@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > You will find that a lot of servers will not
        > recognize an file in upper case. I use lower case for EVERYTHING.
        >

        Linux does not have anything against use of upper case in file names
        per se. It's just that the case of the file name being called in the
        url must match EXACTLY - any combination of upper and/or lower - or it
        gets ignored.
      • Axel Berger
        ... No, he (or she? Algeddis sounds female) won t because it s wrong. What is correct is that MY.IMG and my.img (and My.Img) are two (three) different names
        Message 3 of 28 , May 25, 2008
          "GilaMountainDulcimers.com" wrote:
          > You will find that a lot of servers will not recognize an file in
          > upper case. I use lower case for EVERYTHING.

          No, he (or she? Algeddis sounds female) won't because it's wrong. What
          is correct is that MY.IMG and my.img (and My.Img) are two (three)
          different names and possibly files on a case sensitive system. If you
          use a NoteTab wizard for your links, you avoid typing errors and include
          files exactly as they are and as you upload them (including typoes) so
          the server will always find them.

          As your visitors may want want to write down URLs and type them, it is
          not a good idea to be inconsistent or illogical in your naming, and I
          agree that, although I don't use it myself, all lowercase is a good way
          to achieve that, but it's not the only way.

          And I'd like to suggest that munging user's input except where mandated,
          like %20 and %2C in URLs, is not the best way to set up the defaults in
          any program. I never noticed that myself. The first thing I do with
          every program on using it for the first time is open the preferences or
          setup and go through every single item. Quite apart from making it
          conform to how my other programs behave I find it a good way to get an
          overview of the whole thing.

          Axel
        • Don - HtmlFixIt.com
          ... Dang and I was looking for hot babes, but that wasn t what I meant ;-) You need to be case matched when you get to a (U)nix server between file names and
          Message 4 of 28 , May 25, 2008
            algeddis wrote:
            > Thanks everyone for the prompt and helpful responses. Turning off the
            > "Create Lower Case URLs" did the trick for me and my mismatched
            > camera. It appears it is checked ON by default. I did a test page at:
            > http://www.cynicus.org/Test_Output4/
            > (I will take it down eventually)
            >

            Dang and I was looking for hot babes, but that wasn't what I meant ;-)

            You need to be case matched when you get to a (U)nix server between file
            names and links. I think good form suggest to use lower case all of the
            time and no spaces or funny characters. But it will typically work if
            it is matched on both ends.

            I use a rename utility to make all files on my machine lower case and
            without spaces and so forth and that helps then as well. But you don't
            have to.
          • loro
            ... That s for element and attribute names. XHTML can t force lower case on things it doesn t have control over. A lower case link to
            Message 5 of 28 , May 26, 2008
              sisterscape wrote:
              >Lower case is used for xhtml so depending on your DOCTYPE upper case
              >could be a no-no.

              That's for element and attribute names. XHTML can't force lower case
              on things it doesn't have control over. A lower case link
              to http://example.com/mYCaMeLcAsEpAge/ world result in a 404 on most servers.

              Still wondering who would use that setting and for what reason.

              Lotta
            • Axel Berger
              ... Well, spaces are forbidden or at least a very bad idea and I find MyCamelCasePage much more legible than mycamelcasepage. I always use camelcase when
              Message 6 of 28 , May 26, 2008
                loro wrote:
                > Still wondering who would use that setting and for what reason.

                Well, spaces are forbidden or at least a very bad idea and I find
                MyCamelCasePage much more legible than mycamelcasepage. I always use
                camelcase when needing to abbreviate without Spaces. As a case in
                point this is the link to an article I've scanned
                (don't try, it's password protected):
                http://axel.berger-odenthal.de/Scans/Zeitschrift/JArchSci/33/039-D%c3%bcrrw%c3%a4chter.pdf

                And yes, umlauts are not ideal either.

                Axel
              • Don - HtmlFixIt.com
                ... Actually if you use an underscore then google will actually find and index the words ...
                Message 7 of 28 , May 26, 2008
                  Axel Berger wrote:
                  > loro wrote:
                  >> Still wondering who would use that setting and for what reason.
                  >
                  > Well, spaces are forbidden or at least a very bad idea and I find
                  > MyCamelCasePage much more legible than mycamelcasepage. I always use
                  > camelcase when needing to abbreviate without Spaces. As a case in
                  > point this is the link to an article I've scanned
                  > (don't try, it's password protected):
                  > http://axel.berger-odenthal.de/Scans/Zeitschrift/JArchSci/33/039-D%c3%bcrrw%c3%a4chter.pdf
                  >
                  > And yes, umlauts are not ideal either.
                  >
                  > Axel
                  >
                  Actually if you use an underscore then google will actually find and
                  index the words ...
                • loro
                  ... I meant who d use that Notetab setting, to force lowercase URLs. Not that it matters, I m just curious by nature. ;-) Lotta
                  Message 8 of 28 , May 26, 2008
                    Axel Berger wrote:
                    >loro wrote:
                    > > Still wondering who would use that setting and for what reason.
                    >
                    >Well, spaces are forbidden or at least a very bad idea and I find
                    >MyCamelCasePage much more legible than mycamelcasepage.

                    I meant who'd use that Notetab setting, to force lowercase URLs. Not
                    that it matters, I'm just curious by nature. ;-)

                    Lotta
                  • Don - HtmlFixIt.com
                    ... I sometimes use it to force lowercase url s because then I use my ftp program to make sure the files uploaded are lower case.
                    Message 9 of 28 , May 26, 2008
                      loro wrote:
                      > Axel Berger wrote:
                      >> loro wrote:
                      >>> Still wondering who would use that setting and for what reason.
                      >> Well, spaces are forbidden or at least a very bad idea and I find
                      >> MyCamelCasePage much more legible than mycamelcasepage.
                      >
                      > I meant who'd use that Notetab setting, to force lowercase URLs. Not
                      > that it matters, I'm just curious by nature. ;-)
                      >
                      > Lotta
                      >
                      I sometimes use it to force lowercase url's because then I use my ftp
                      program to make sure the files uploaded are lower case.
                    • Marcelo de Castro Bastos
                      ... Yeah, it goes like this: - Consistency is good. Different cases are bad. - The same file/pic/page can be called from a lot of different places. - It s
                      Message 10 of 28 , May 26, 2008
                        Interviewed by CNN on 26/5/2008 11:28, Don - HtmlFixIt.com told the world:
                        > loro wrote:
                        >
                        >> Axel Berger wrote:
                        >> I meant who'd use that Notetab setting, to force lowercase URLs. Not
                        >> that it matters, I'm just curious by nature. ;-)
                        >>
                        >>
                        >>
                        > I sometimes use it to force lowercase url's because then I use my ftp
                        > program to make sure the files uploaded are lower case.
                        >
                        >
                        Yeah, it goes like this:

                        - Consistency is good. Different cases are bad.
                        - The same file/pic/page can be called from a lot of different places.
                        - It's easier to rename the one file when there's a problem than search
                        through all the HTML pages to fix the case of the URL.
                        - Also, you can use the FTP utility to force all files into lowercase.
                        - Finally, a point that should not be overlooked, there's the matter of
                        people keying in the URL by hand in their browsers. Nine times out of
                        ten, they will write it all in lowercase. Putting a few uppercase
                        letters in the middle will only make the job harder.

                        In the different matter of accented/international characters and
                        spaces... they aren't illegal per se, but you have to be careful in
                        encoding them correctly.

                        Marcelo

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                      • Axel Berger
                        ... Perhaps it s a case of me being German and more used to capitals in words. Or perhaps I m just nuts, but I prefer the odd capital here and there. But then
                        Message 11 of 28 , May 26, 2008
                          Marcelo de Castro Bastos wrote:
                          > Nine times out of ten, they will write it all in lowercase.

                          Perhaps it's a case of me being German and more used to capitals in
                          words. Or perhaps I'm just nuts, but I prefer the odd capital here
                          and there.

                          But then I wouldn't want to type long URLs anyway. I prefer being
                          given them as links so one click leads to direct access, but where
                          typing is involved I prefer well done menues to get there - there
                          are just too many ways to get them wrong.

                          Axel
                        • Scott Fordin
                          ... FWIW, I use all lowercase URLs and file names for several reasons: 1. I m an HTML coder from the ur-days, and using what was once known as Netscape
                          Message 12 of 28 , May 26, 2008
                            loro wrote:
                            > I meant who'd use that Notetab setting, to force lowercase URLs. Not
                            > that it matters, I'm just curious by nature. ;-)

                            FWIW, I use all lowercase URLs and file names for several reasons:

                            1. I'm an HTML coder from the ur-days, and using what was once
                            known as "Netscape compatible" links -- that is, all lowercase
                            -- is a habit.

                            2. Consistency is good; one rule, no confusion, no worries. My
                            code works consistently on any server platform.

                            3. It's easier to type all lowercase; no Shift combination or
                            Caps Lock.

                            4. I spend a good part of my life on Solaris and Linux machines,
                            so this whole case thing is deeply ingrained. I don't use
                            uppercase letters unless there's a darn good reason to.

                            5. I'm anal retentive or arguably OCD, and I simply like how
                            lowercase looks compared to mixed case or uppercase. I
                            figure life is stressful enough, so I don't need my code
                            shouting at me.

                            I also scrupulously avoid the use of spaces in file names and URLs.
                            Instead of spaces, I use underscores. Finally, I try to use taxonomic
                            naming schemes, so it's easy to figure out what should be where and
                            when something is off.

                            Just one writer's opinion,

                            Scott
                          • GilaMountainDulcimers.com
                            Yes, Scott. I ALWAYS use lower case in all my file names and URLs. Sometimes (like in my signature below) I will type the URL with the first letter in
                            Message 13 of 28 , May 26, 2008
                              Yes, Scott. I ALWAYS use lower case in all my file names and URLs. Sometimes (like in my signature below) I will type the URL with the first letter in upper-case for in emails or hardcopy letters -- Some of my URLs are long and so it breaks it up -- that is the only reason. Otherwise, when I am composing or creating a website or file, it is all lower case. I use dashes instead of underscores because links are always underlined and some folks miss the underscores -- looks like part of the link's underscore. But I agree with you completely for all your reasons for using lower case, especially the one about consistency -- one rule, no worries. I never have to double-check myself.

                              Hugs,
                              Kerry Coates in New Mexico
                              http://www.network-marketing-mlm-business.com
                              http://www.Amazing-Health-Products.com
                              http://www.GilaMountainDulcimers.com
                              http://www.GilaMountainDulcimers.com/pekes-family.htm




                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: Scott Fordin
                              To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 9:07 PM
                              Subject: Re: [NH] case requirements for JPG


                              loro wrote:
                              > I meant who'd use that Notetab setting, to force lowercase URLs. Not
                              > that it matters, I'm just curious by nature. ;-)

                              FWIW, I use all lowercase URLs and file names for several reasons:

                              1. I'm an HTML coder from the ur-days, and using what was once
                              known as "Netscape compatible" links -- that is, all lowercase
                              -- is a habit.

                              2. Consistency is good; one rule, no confusion, no worries. My
                              code works consistently on any server platform.

                              3. It's easier to type all lowercase; no Shift combination or
                              Caps Lock.

                              4. I spend a good part of my life on Solaris and Linux machines,
                              so this whole case thing is deeply ingrained. I don't use
                              uppercase letters unless there's a darn good reason to.

                              5. I'm anal retentive or arguably OCD, and I simply like how
                              lowercase looks compared to mixed case or uppercase. I
                              figure life is stressful enough, so I don't need my code
                              shouting at me.

                              I also scrupulously avoid the use of spaces in file names and URLs.
                              Instead of spaces, I use underscores. Finally, I try to use taxonomic
                              naming schemes, so it's easy to figure out what should be where and
                              when something is off.

                              Just one writer's opinion,

                              Scott




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                            • loro
                              ... Yes, I understand that. It s the usefulness of that setting i Notetab I don t understand. Wouldn t it be easier to name the images in lowercase to start
                              Message 14 of 28 , May 27, 2008
                                Scott Fordin wrote:
                                >loro wrote:
                                > > I meant who'd use that Notetab setting, to force lowercase URLs. Not
                                > > that it matters, I'm just curious by nature. ;-)
                                >
                                >FWIW, I use all lowercase URLs and file names for several reasons:

                                Yes, I understand that. It's the usefulness of that setting i Notetab
                                I don't understand. Wouldn't it be easier to name the images in
                                lowercase to start with, or rename them? Especially since algeddis
                                says this case conversion is on by default it's bound to cause
                                problems, as we've just seen. I guess everything that forces this or
                                that seems counterproductive to me, since I would have to change the
                                setting every time I wanted it differently. Anyway, it doesn't
                                matter. Just curious, as said.

                                BTW I find uppercase (on a case sensitive system) very useful.
                                Personably I use it for example for old copies of files I want to
                                save a while (INDEX.html). Sometimes just for something I want to
                                stand out that shouldn't be on the web (NOTES, TODO). But that's
                                another matter. ;-)

                                Lotta
                              • Eric Fookes
                                Hi Lotta, The reason for that option is that many FTP programs have an option to upload files and automatically set their to lowercase during the process. It s
                                Message 15 of 28 , May 27, 2008
                                  Hi Lotta,

                                  The reason for that option is that many FTP programs have an option to
                                  upload files and automatically set their to lowercase during the
                                  process. It's a feature I used a lot in the past. Setting that option in
                                  NoteTab simply ensure that links in your Web pages will work if you're
                                  uploading to a case-sensitive Web server.

                                  --
                                  Regards,

                                  Eric Fookes
                                  http://www.fookes.com/


                                  loro wrote:
                                  > Scott Fordin wrote:
                                  >> loro wrote:
                                  >>> I meant who'd use that Notetab setting, to force lowercase URLs. Not
                                  >>> that it matters, I'm just curious by nature. ;-)
                                  >> FWIW, I use all lowercase URLs and file names for several reasons:
                                  >
                                  > Yes, I understand that. It's the usefulness of that setting i Notetab
                                  > I don't understand. Wouldn't it be easier to name the images in
                                  > lowercase to start with, or rename them? Especially since algeddis
                                  > says this case conversion is on by default it's bound to cause
                                  > problems, as we've just seen. I guess everything that forces this or
                                  > that seems counterproductive to me, since I would have to change the
                                  > setting every time I wanted it differently. Anyway, it doesn't
                                  > matter. Just curious, as said.
                                  >
                                  > BTW I find uppercase (on a case sensitive system) very useful.
                                  > Personably I use it for example for old copies of files I want to
                                  > save a while (INDEX.html). Sometimes just for something I want to
                                  > stand out that shouldn't be on the web (NOTES, TODO). But that's
                                  > another matter. ;-)
                                  >
                                  > Lotta
                                • Mike Breiding
                                  Greetings, This link: http://mbreiding.us/2008/dumpsters-on-reid-street/index.html#slip works in IE 6 and Opera, but not FF. In other words - they URL opens to
                                  Message 16 of 28 , May 29, 2008
                                    Greetings,
                                    This link:
                                    http://mbreiding.us/2008/dumpsters-on-reid-street/index.html#slip

                                    works in IE 6 and Opera, but not FF.
                                    In other words - they URL opens to the bottom of the page where this
                                    code is:

                                    ...<...title="Slip on Falling Run Road" id="#slip" name="#slip">...

                                    What am I missing ?

                                    Thanks,
                                    -Mike
                                    www.EpicRoadTrips.us
                                  • Mike Breiding
                                    Solved! Removed the # from the ID name. Duh... -mb ============================ Greetings, This link:
                                    Message 17 of 28 , May 29, 2008
                                      Solved!
                                      Removed the "#" from the ID name.
                                      Duh...
                                      -mb
                                      ============================
                                      Greetings,
                                      This link:
                                      http://mbreiding.us/2008/dumpsters-on-reid-street/index.html#slip

                                      works in IE 6 and Opera, but not FF.
                                      In other words - they URL opens to the bottom of the page where this
                                      code is:

                                      ...<...title="Slip on Falling Run Road" id="#slip" name="#slip">...

                                      What am I missing ?

                                      Thanks,
                                      -Mike
                                      www.EpicRoadTrips.us
                                    • Axel Berger
                                      ... Leave out the # . Obviously IE and Opera silently corrct your mistake while FF is more fussy but correct. Axel
                                      Message 18 of 28 , May 29, 2008
                                        Mike Breiding wrote:
                                        > ...<...title="Slip on Falling Run Road" id="#slip" name="#slip">...
                                        > What am I missing ?

                                        Leave out the "#". Obviously IE and Opera silently corrct your
                                        mistake while FF is more fussy but correct.

                                        Axel
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