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  • Marcelo de Castro Bastos
    ... I did a bit of experimenting with this issue... The Mozilla browser (Firefox s father ) exhibits the same behavior... provided that you are NOT using the
    Message 1 of 15 , Sep 28, 2005
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      On 28/09/2005 17:42, John Mitchell invited the wrath of the gods by saying:

      >Mike
      >
      >If you look back through the groups you will see that this is a long
      >standing issue. There have been many theories but no resolution. Other
      >applications seem to be able to open Firefox gracefully but Notetab has
      >a fundamental problem. Note that if Firefox is already open when you
      >"View in Browser" it will work as expected.
      >
      >
      >
      I did a bit of experimenting with this issue...

      The Mozilla browser (Firefox's "father") exhibits the same behavior...
      provided that you are NOT using the "QuickLaunch" feature (which keeps a
      part of the browser "pre-loaded" in memory).

      Also, I noticed a related behavior using Opera: if Opera is closed, I
      get an odd message saying that "Windows cannot find Opera.exe" (I
      double-checked: the right path is set up in browsers.dat), but then
      goes on to open Opera... and then, depending on the file name, Opera
      cannot find it (apparently it gets truncated if it contains a comma,
      for instance). If Opera is already opened, however, it works fine.

      There is a filed bug with Mozilla about this problem, or one very
      similar to it (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=263701) but
      after finding the thing about Opera, I'm beginning to think there might
      be also a bug in the way Notetab forms the command-line.

      MCBastos
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    • Larry Hamilton
      Mike, As mentioned by the others, this is a problem. What is more interesting, some users do not have this problem. I do have this issue, so I built a clip
      Message 2 of 15 , Sep 28, 2005
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        Mike,

        As mentioned by the others, this is a problem. What is more interesting,
        some users do not have this problem.

        I do have this issue, so I built a clip that will open Firefox before
        sending it a file to view. It also seems to help if the file is saved
        and not in an unsaved state requiring a temporary file.

        I always get a website that I cannot figure out, but it is not census.gov.

        I think some users found some Firefox extensions to help minimize or
        eliminate this issue, but again, not for me.

        HTH,

        Larry Hamilton
        Kairos Computer Solutions
        http://www.kairoscomputers.com/
        Sales Affiliate for Grisoft Anti-Virus

        Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:

        >Greetings,
        >I was not sure where to post this, but here goes.
        >
        >I recently changed my Main Browser in NoteTab Pro Internet Options to
        >FireFox 1.0.7 from IE 6.
        >
        >When I click the "View in Browser" button FF launches.
        >Now for the weird part: When FF launches it opens two Tabs. One is blank
        >and the other one *always* opens to this site: http://www.census.gov/. It
        >does not generate a preview of the NoteTab document
        >
      • Jeffery Scism
        What worked for me was setting Firefox as my default Browser for the computer, and assigning the file types to it by extension. (you have to do it by it s DOS
        Message 3 of 15 , Sep 28, 2005
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          What worked for me was setting Firefox as my default Browser for the
          computer, and assigning the file types to it by extension. (you have to
          do it by it's DOS name.)

          Then Firefox was called to execute any HTML family file. I then set
          MSIE 6.0 as the second HTML default in Notetab ( Browser 2).

          It worked right up until the time I dis-installed Firefox (I wanted an
          integrated mail proxy).

          I tried the same process with Mozilla Suite, but had no success.

          I went back to Netscape 4.73 as my default, and still like the mail
          proxy that is part of it.

          (Now if I could find a way to make my own integrated Genealogy program,
          built around a browser, which displays its "notes" section as HTML
          pages, I would be REALLY happy) Sadly I am not a programmer.

          ~~

          Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG
          Local Coordinator Representative,
          NE/NC Region, USGenWeb Project

          http://usgenweb.org/





          Larry Hamilton wrote:

          >Mike,
          >
          >As mentioned by the others, this is a problem. What is more interesting,
          >some users do not have this problem.
          >
          >I do have this issue, so I built a clip that will open Firefox before
          >sending it a file to view. It also seems to help if the file is saved
          >and not in an unsaved state requiring a temporary file.
          >
          >I always get a website that I cannot figure out, but it is not census.gov.
          >
          >I think some users found some Firefox extensions to help minimize or
          >eliminate this issue, but again, not for me.
          >
          >HTH,
          >
          >Larry Hamilton
          >Kairos Computer Solutions
          >http://www.kairoscomputers.com/
          >Sales Affiliate for Grisoft Anti-Virus
          >
          >Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
          >
          >
          >
          >>Greetings,
          >>I was not sure where to post this, but here goes.
          >>
          >>I recently changed my Main Browser in NoteTab Pro Internet Options to
          >>FireFox 1.0.7 from IE 6.
          >>
          >>When I click the "View in Browser" button FF launches.
          >>Now for the weird part: When FF launches it opens two Tabs. One is blank
          >>and the other one *always* opens to this site: http://www.census.gov/. It
          >>does not generate a preview of the NoteTab document
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >
          >
          >
          >CSE HTML Validator Lite - it's free: http://home.earthlink.net/~5wink/dl/cselite652.exe
          >
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          >
          >Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >


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        • hsavage
          ... This View In Browser info is not correct in my experience. Since I began using NoteTab & View In Browser I ve used Netscape, up to the most recent
          Message 4 of 15 , Sep 28, 2005
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            Marcelo de Castro Bastos wrote:
            >>
            > I did a bit of experimenting with this issue...
            >
            > The Mozilla browser (Firefox's "father") exhibits the same behavior...
            > provided that you are NOT using the "QuickLaunch" feature (which keeps a
            > part of the browser "pre-loaded" in memory).
            >
            > Also, I noticed a related behavior using Opera: if Opera is closed, I
            > get an odd message saying that "Windows cannot find Opera.exe" (I
            > double-checked: the right path is set up in browsers.dat), but then
            > goes on to open Opera... and then, depending on the file name, Opera
            > cannot find it (apparently it gets truncated if it contains a comma,
            > for instance). If Opera is already opened, however, it works fine.
            >
            > There is a filed bug with Mozilla about this problem, or one very
            > similar to it (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=263701) but
            > after finding the thing about Opera, I'm beginning to think there might
            > be also a bug in the way Notetab forms the command-line.
            >
            > MCBastos

            This 'View In Browser' info is not correct in my experience. Since I
            began using 'NoteTab' & 'View In Browser' I've used Netscape, up to the
            most recent version of Mozilla -Mozilla.org stopped updating Mozilla and
            concentrated the effort on Seamonkey. I've also used FireFox and on a
            limited basis, used several IE versions.

            Seamonkey currently appears to be Mozilla's predecessor, offspring if
            you like, Seamonkey is now my primary browser. I added Opera, since it
            became a free downloaded, for familiarization.

            I recall a minor problem with Opera, similar to -"Windows cannot find
            Opera.exe"-, which, if I recall correctly, was a path problem, I believe
            because I allowed Windows/Opera default to be the initial install
            location. I moved it, it works perfectly now.

            I haven't had a problem, other than the path problem mentioned, with any
            of these browsers and 'View In Browser' in NoteTab, that is, except with
            FireFox.

            I also used 'QuickLaunch' in the beginning but do not, and, have not,
            used it for a very long time and Mozilla, Seamonkey, Opera and IE always
            display the correct page, correctly, without being loaded into memory
            beforehand.

            I was never able to get FireFox to, dependably, display a page
            correctly. I don't know what the problem is, I don't think it's a
            NoteTab problem, I think it's strictly a FireFox problem.

            I've shared parts of my 'browsers.dat' file and would do so again. As
            someone else said this has been discussed before on these lists and most
            of the information is on Yahoo and in the archives. My browsers.dat may
            not be helpful to others but it is how I always start my different
            browsers from within NoteTab.

            ºvº
            05.09.28
            hrs > hsavage@...
          • hsavage
            ... To be clear I must point out that I used the incorrect term above, should have read, Mozilla s successor . Another possible reason for lack of current
            Message 5 of 15 , Sep 28, 2005
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              hsavage wrote:
              >
              > Seamonkey currently appears to be Mozilla's predecessor, offspring if
              > you like, Seamonkey is now my primary browser. I added Opera, since it
              > became a free downloaded, for familiarization.

              To be clear I must point out that I used the incorrect term above,
              should have read, 'Mozilla's successor'. Another possible reason for
              lack of current support in Mozilla is they may be waiting for the newest
              version of Gecko, the browser engine.

              ºvº
              05.09.29
              hrs > hsavage@...
            • melchior prisi
              Hi, ... I wrote a Clip to make Firefox behave like it should: Opens current html document in Firefox. • If Firefox already shows the file it will be reloaded
              Message 6 of 15 , Oct 1, 2005
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                Hi,

                ----- on 28.09.2005 21:15 Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                > Now for the weird part: When FF launches it opens two Tabs.(...)

                I wrote a Clip to make Firefox behave like it should:


                Opens current html document in Firefox.
                • If Firefox already shows the file
                it will be reloaded in the same tab.
                • If you use to have more than 10 open tabs
                in your browser, edit line 20.
                • On slower machines you might have to
                adjust delays on lines 8 and 10.
                • On line 13 insert your path to firefox.exe.
                Don't forget the quotes.
                • Requires Function »GETTITLE« (see below).

                Tested on Windows XP with Firefox 1.0.7
                Doesn't work with files without a <title>Title</title>

                If your Firefox installation contains extensions related
                to tabbed browsing, you might have to edit some details.


                ;----- copy: -----
                H="SOLOFOX"
                ;REQUIRES FUNCTION »GETTITLE«
                ;LINE 15: ENTER YOUR PATH TO firefox.exe
                ^!save
                ;LONG LINE:
                ^!set %url%=^$strlower(^$filetourl(^##)$)$; %tit%=^$gettitle(^##)$; %ct%=0
                ;END OF LONG LINE
                ^!ifappopen *Mozilla Firefox next else openfox
                :try
                ^!ifappopen ^%tit% - Mozilla Firefox next else err
                ^!focusapp *Mozilla Firefox
                ^!delay 1
                :open
                ^!keyboard ctrl+l &100 #^%url%# enter ctrl+f5
                ^!goto exit
                :openfox
                ^!"FullPath\firefox.exe" ^##
                ^!goto exit
                :err
                ^!focusapp *Mozilla Firefox
                ^!delay 1
                ^!keyboard ctrl+shift+tab
                ^!inc %ct%
                ^!if ^%ct% =< 10 next else skip_1
                ^!goto try
                ^!ifsame "^$getapptitle$" "Mozilla Firefox" skip_1
                ^!keyboard ctrl+t
                ^!delay 1
                ^!keyboard ctrl+l #^%url%# enter ctrl+f5

                H="_GETTITLE"
                ^!set %fftxt%=^$strlower(^$getfiletext(^&)$)$
                ^!setlistdelimiter </title>
                ^!setarray %fftxt%=^%fftxt%
                ^!set %fftxt%=^%fftxt1%
                ^!setlistdelimiter <title>
                ^!setarray %fftxt%=^%fftxt%
                ^!result ^$strupper(^%fftxt2%)$
                ;----- /copy -----



                Regards,
                Melchior


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              • Rob Henrichon of On Track Computer Solut
                How do you make this function as it just sits in the library as a clip? In other words - what do you do with this clip? Rob Henrichon ... From:
                Message 7 of 15 , Oct 1, 2005
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                  How do you "make this function" as it just sits in the library as a clip?
                  In other words - what do you do with this clip?

                  Rob Henrichon

                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com]On
                  Behalf Of melchior prisi
                  Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 6:32 PM
                  To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [NH] wierd behavior in FoxFire


                  Hi,

                  ----- on 28.09.2005 21:15 Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                  > Now for the weird part: When FF launches it opens two Tabs.(...)

                  I wrote a Clip to make Firefox behave like it should:


                  Opens current html document in Firefox.
                  • If Firefox already shows the file
                  it will be reloaded in the same tab.
                  • If you use to have more than 10 open tabs
                  in your browser, edit line 20.
                  • On slower machines you might have to
                  adjust delays on lines 8 and 10.
                  • On line 13 insert your path to firefox.exe.
                  Don't forget the quotes.
                  • Requires Function »GETTITLE« (see below).

                  Tested on Windows XP with Firefox 1.0.7
                  Doesn't work with files without a <title>Title</title>

                  If your Firefox installation contains extensions related
                  to tabbed browsing, you might have to edit some details.


                  ;----- copy: -----
                  H="SOLOFOX"
                  ;REQUIRES FUNCTION »GETTITLE«
                  ;LINE 15: ENTER YOUR PATH TO firefox.exe
                  ^!save
                  ;LONG LINE:
                  ^!set %url%=^$strlower(^$filetourl(^##)$)$; %tit%=^$gettitle(^##)$; %ct%=0
                  ;END OF LONG LINE
                  ^!ifappopen *Mozilla Firefox next else openfox
                  :try
                  ^!ifappopen ^%tit% - Mozilla Firefox next else err
                  ^!focusapp *Mozilla Firefox
                  ^!delay 1
                  :open
                  ^!keyboard ctrl+l &100 #^%url%# enter ctrl+f5
                  ^!goto exit
                  :openfox
                  ^!"FullPath\firefox.exe" ^##
                  ^!goto exit
                  :err
                  ^!focusapp *Mozilla Firefox
                  ^!delay 1
                  ^!keyboard ctrl+shift+tab
                  ^!inc %ct%
                  ^!if ^%ct% =< 10 next else skip_1
                  ^!goto try
                  ^!ifsame "^$getapptitle$" "Mozilla Firefox" skip_1
                  ^!keyboard ctrl+t
                  ^!delay 1
                  ^!keyboard ctrl+l #^%url%# enter ctrl+f5

                  H="_GETTITLE"
                  ^!set %fftxt%=^$strlower(^$getfiletext(^&)$)$
                  ^!setlistdelimiter </title>
                  ^!setarray %fftxt%=^%fftxt%
                  ^!set %fftxt%=^%fftxt1%
                  ^!setlistdelimiter <title>
                  ^!setarray %fftxt%=^%fftxt%
                  ^!result ^$strupper(^%fftxt2%)$
                  ;----- /copy -----



                  Regards,
                  Melchior


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                • melchior prisi
                  Hi Rob ... The function gettitle is called from the main clip: %tit%=^$gettitle(^##)$. It reads the title tag of the given document. Later in the main clip
                  Message 8 of 15 , Oct 2, 2005
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                    Hi Rob

                    ----- on 02.10.2005 03:01 Rob Henrichon of On Track Computer Solutions
                    wrote:
                    > How do you "make this function" as it just sits in the library as a
                    > clip? In other words - what do you do with this clip?

                    The function "gettitle" is called from the
                    main clip: %tit%=^$gettitle(^##)$.

                    It reads the title tag of the given document.

                    Later in the main clip %tit% is used to check
                    if the document is already open in a firefox tab.

                    If the document is not found in 10 tabs it will
                    be opened in a new tab.

                    The code of "getttitle" could also be noted
                    directly in the main clip.

                    The advantage of functions is, that you can
                    call them from every clip (in the same library),
                    so you don't have to write often used routines again and again.

                    On Functions see also NoteTab's clip help
                    under "Custom Functions".



                    Regards,
                    Melchior


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                  • Rob Henrichon of On Track Computer Solut
                    I believe I was not specific enough - in other words, what are the specific steps I need to do to make the clip work, starting from step 1 . . . Do I launch
                    Message 9 of 15 , Oct 4, 2005
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                      I believe I was not specific enough -

                      in other words, what are the specific steps I need to do to make the clip
                      work, starting from step 1 . . .
                      Do I launch the clip in a separate tab? then open the htm file etc etc etc.

                      PS can you resend the clip here if possible?


                      many Thanks

                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com]On
                      Behalf Of melchior prisi
                      Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 4:05 AM
                      To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [NH] wierd behavior in FoxFire


                      Hi Rob

                      ----- on 02.10.2005 03:01 Rob Henrichon of On Track Computer Solutions
                      wrote:
                      > How do you "make this function" as it just sits in the library as a
                      > clip? In other words - what do you do with this clip?

                      The function "gettitle" is called from the
                      main clip: %tit%=^$gettitle(^##)$.

                      It reads the title tag of the given document.

                      Later in the main clip %tit% is used to check
                      if the document is already open in a firefox tab.

                      If the document is not found in 10 tabs it will
                      be opened in a new tab.

                      The code of "getttitle" could also be noted
                      directly in the main clip.

                      The advantage of functions is, that you can
                      call them from every clip (in the same library),
                      so you don't have to write often used routines again and again.

                      On Functions see also NoteTab's clip help
                      under "Custom Functions".



                      Regards,
                      Melchior


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                    • melchior prisi
                      Hi Rob ... I hope the following will help yo to install and use the clips. Regards, Melchior Here we go: Step 1: Open Notetab. If you cannot see the Clipbook,
                      Message 10 of 15 , Oct 5, 2005
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                        Hi Rob

                        ----- on 05.10.2005 08:16 Rob Henrichon of On Track Computer Solutions
                        wrote:
                        > in other words, what are the specific steps I need to do to make the
                        > clip work, starting from step 1 . . . Do I launch the clip in a
                        > separate tab? then open the htm file etc etc etc.
                        >
                        > PS can you resend the clip here if possible?
                        >

                        I hope the following will help yo to install and use
                        the clips.

                        Regards,
                        Melchior


                        Here we go:

                        Step 1:
                        Open Notetab.
                        If you cannot see the Clipbook, open it by pressing F4

                        To test an unknown clip, you might want to create
                        a new library which you can simply delete if results
                        are not as expected:
                        Right click in the title field of the clipbook and
                        select "new". Choose a name for the new library and
                        click o.k.

                        Now select the clip(s) from the line
                        H="SOLOFOX"
                        to the line
                        ^!result ^$strupper(^%fftxt2%)$
                        and copy them to the clipboard.

                        On the new library you then right click
                        and select "Add from Clibboard"

                        Now you should see both clips in your clipbook.
                        The title of "GETTITLE" is grayed out: This function
                        is not intendet to be launched by clicking on it but
                        is called from "SOLOFOX".


                        Step 2
                        Right click on SOLOFOX and choose "Edit Clip"
                        Make shure, that the line between ";LONG LINE:" and ";END OF LONG LINE"
                        which begins with "^!set %url%..." is just one long line.

                        On line 16 replace the string "FullPath\firefox.exe"
                        with the real path to firefox.exe on your machine.
                        On Windows this might be something like
                        C:\program files\mozilla firefox\firefox.exe

                        Note: do not remove the quotes.

                        Now save (ctrl+S or File/Save) and close the clip tab.

                        The clip should now be ready to run.


                        Step 3
                        Open a html document in NoteTab Pro
                        (The clip should work in NT Light too, but
                        I did'nt test it)

                        Click (or doubleclick - this depends on your settings)
                        SOLOFOX

                        The clip opens the current html document in Firefox.
                        • If Firefox already shows the file
                        it will be reloaded in the same tab.
                        • If you use to have more than 10 open tabs
                        in your browser, edit line 23.
                        • On slower machines you might have to
                        adjust delays on lines 13 and 20.


                        Tested on Windows XP with Firefox 1.0.7
                        Doesn't work with files without a <title>Title</title>

                        If your Firefox installation contains extensions related
                        to tabbed browsing, you might have to edit some details.



                        ;----- copy: -----
                        H="SOLOFOX"
                        ;REQUIRES FUNCTION »GETTITLE«
                        ;LINE 15: ENTER YOUR PATH TO firefox.exe
                        ^!save
                        ;LONG LINE:
                        ^!set %url%=^$strlower(^$filetourl(^##)$)$; %tit%=^$gettitle(^##)$; %ct%=0
                        ;END OF LONG LINE
                        ^!ifappopen *Mozilla Firefox next else openfox
                        :try
                        ^!ifappopen ^%tit% - Mozilla Firefox next else err
                        ^!focusapp *Mozilla Firefox
                        ^!delay 1
                        :open
                        ^!keyboard ctrl+l &100 #^%url%# enter ctrl+f5
                        ^!goto exit
                        :openfox
                        ^!"FullPath\firefox.exe" ^##
                        ^!goto exit
                        :err
                        ^!focusapp *Mozilla Firefox
                        ^!delay 1
                        ^!keyboard ctrl+shift+tab
                        ^!inc %ct%
                        ^!if ^%ct% =< 10 next else skip_1
                        ^!goto try
                        ^!ifsame "^$getapptitle$" "Mozilla Firefox" skip_1
                        ^!keyboard ctrl+t
                        ^!delay 1
                        ^!keyboard ctrl+l #^%url%# enter ctrl+f5

                        H="_GETTITLE"
                        ^!set %fftxt%=^$strlower(^$getfiletext(^&)$)$
                        ^!setlistdelimiter </title>
                        ^!setarray %fftxt%=^%fftxt%
                        ^!set %fftxt%=^%fftxt1%
                        ^!setlistdelimiter <title>
                        ^!setarray %fftxt%=^%fftxt%
                        ^!result ^$strupper(^%fftxt2%)$
                        ;----- /copy -----



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