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  • Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
    ... Thanks, John. Maybe this problem will be addressed in the next version - if there is one. -Mike http://www.Mbreiding.us/web_pages.html [Non-text portions
    Message 1 of 15 , Sep 28, 2005
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      At 04:42 PM 9/28/2005 , John Mitchell wrote:
      >Mike
      >
      >If you look back through the groups you will see that this is a long
      >standing issue. There have been many theories but no resolution. Other
      >applications seem to be able to open Firefox gracefully but Notetab has
      >a fundamental problem. Note that if Firefox is already open when you
      >"View in Browser" it will work as expected.
      >
      >Regards, John Mitchell


      Thanks, John.
      Maybe this problem will be addressed in the next version - if there is one.

      -Mike


      http://www.Mbreiding.us/web_pages.html

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    • Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
      ... Hi Rudi, The behavior is the same, no matter what document is viewed. None of them contain any reference to census.gov. Thanks, -Mike
      Message 2 of 15 , Sep 28, 2005
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        At 04:58 PM 9/28/2005 , you wrote:
        >It might have to do with FireFox' keyword feature
        ><http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/internet-keywords.htm>
        >
        >It sends a word that you enter in the address bar to Google's "I'm
        >feeling lucky"-service.
        >Path and filenames are often "chopped" when submitted to other programs,
        >especially when they contain spaces, and then interpreted as 2 values
        >(this could cause the 2 tabs, too).
        >
        >Does your \path and\filename contain a string that would bring up
        >census.gov in Google?
        >
        >HTH,
        >Rudi

        Hi Rudi,
        The behavior is the same, no matter what document is viewed.
        None of them contain any reference to census.gov.

        Thanks,
        -Mike


        http://www.Mbreiding.us/web_pages.html

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      • Marcelo de Castro Bastos
        ... I did a bit of experimenting with this issue... The Mozilla browser (Firefox s father ) exhibits the same behavior... provided that you are NOT using the
        Message 3 of 15 , Sep 28, 2005
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          On 28/09/2005 17:42, John Mitchell invited the wrath of the gods by saying:

          >Mike
          >
          >If you look back through the groups you will see that this is a long
          >standing issue. There have been many theories but no resolution. Other
          >applications seem to be able to open Firefox gracefully but Notetab has
          >a fundamental problem. Note that if Firefox is already open when you
          >"View in Browser" it will work as expected.
          >
          >
          >
          I did a bit of experimenting with this issue...

          The Mozilla browser (Firefox's "father") exhibits the same behavior...
          provided that you are NOT using the "QuickLaunch" feature (which keeps a
          part of the browser "pre-loaded" in memory).

          Also, I noticed a related behavior using Opera: if Opera is closed, I
          get an odd message saying that "Windows cannot find Opera.exe" (I
          double-checked: the right path is set up in browsers.dat), but then
          goes on to open Opera... and then, depending on the file name, Opera
          cannot find it (apparently it gets truncated if it contains a comma,
          for instance). If Opera is already opened, however, it works fine.

          There is a filed bug with Mozilla about this problem, or one very
          similar to it (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=263701) but
          after finding the thing about Opera, I'm beginning to think there might
          be also a bug in the way Notetab forms the command-line.

          MCBastos
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          * TagZilla 0.057
        • Larry Hamilton
          Mike, As mentioned by the others, this is a problem. What is more interesting, some users do not have this problem. I do have this issue, so I built a clip
          Message 4 of 15 , Sep 28, 2005
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            Mike,

            As mentioned by the others, this is a problem. What is more interesting,
            some users do not have this problem.

            I do have this issue, so I built a clip that will open Firefox before
            sending it a file to view. It also seems to help if the file is saved
            and not in an unsaved state requiring a temporary file.

            I always get a website that I cannot figure out, but it is not census.gov.

            I think some users found some Firefox extensions to help minimize or
            eliminate this issue, but again, not for me.

            HTH,

            Larry Hamilton
            Kairos Computer Solutions
            http://www.kairoscomputers.com/
            Sales Affiliate for Grisoft Anti-Virus

            Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:

            >Greetings,
            >I was not sure where to post this, but here goes.
            >
            >I recently changed my Main Browser in NoteTab Pro Internet Options to
            >FireFox 1.0.7 from IE 6.
            >
            >When I click the "View in Browser" button FF launches.
            >Now for the weird part: When FF launches it opens two Tabs. One is blank
            >and the other one *always* opens to this site: http://www.census.gov/. It
            >does not generate a preview of the NoteTab document
            >
          • Jeffery Scism
            What worked for me was setting Firefox as my default Browser for the computer, and assigning the file types to it by extension. (you have to do it by it s DOS
            Message 5 of 15 , Sep 28, 2005
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              What worked for me was setting Firefox as my default Browser for the
              computer, and assigning the file types to it by extension. (you have to
              do it by it's DOS name.)

              Then Firefox was called to execute any HTML family file. I then set
              MSIE 6.0 as the second HTML default in Notetab ( Browser 2).

              It worked right up until the time I dis-installed Firefox (I wanted an
              integrated mail proxy).

              I tried the same process with Mozilla Suite, but had no success.

              I went back to Netscape 4.73 as my default, and still like the mail
              proxy that is part of it.

              (Now if I could find a way to make my own integrated Genealogy program,
              built around a browser, which displays its "notes" section as HTML
              pages, I would be REALLY happy) Sadly I am not a programmer.

              ~~

              Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG
              Local Coordinator Representative,
              NE/NC Region, USGenWeb Project

              http://usgenweb.org/





              Larry Hamilton wrote:

              >Mike,
              >
              >As mentioned by the others, this is a problem. What is more interesting,
              >some users do not have this problem.
              >
              >I do have this issue, so I built a clip that will open Firefox before
              >sending it a file to view. It also seems to help if the file is saved
              >and not in an unsaved state requiring a temporary file.
              >
              >I always get a website that I cannot figure out, but it is not census.gov.
              >
              >I think some users found some Firefox extensions to help minimize or
              >eliminate this issue, but again, not for me.
              >
              >HTH,
              >
              >Larry Hamilton
              >Kairos Computer Solutions
              >http://www.kairoscomputers.com/
              >Sales Affiliate for Grisoft Anti-Virus
              >
              >Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
              >
              >
              >
              >>Greetings,
              >>I was not sure where to post this, but here goes.
              >>
              >>I recently changed my Main Browser in NoteTab Pro Internet Options to
              >>FireFox 1.0.7 from IE 6.
              >>
              >>When I click the "View in Browser" button FF launches.
              >>Now for the weird part: When FF launches it opens two Tabs. One is blank
              >>and the other one *always* opens to this site: http://www.census.gov/. It
              >>does not generate a preview of the NoteTab document
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >
              >
              >
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              >
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              >


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            • hsavage
              ... This View In Browser info is not correct in my experience. Since I began using NoteTab & View In Browser I ve used Netscape, up to the most recent
              Message 6 of 15 , Sep 28, 2005
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                Marcelo de Castro Bastos wrote:
                >>
                > I did a bit of experimenting with this issue...
                >
                > The Mozilla browser (Firefox's "father") exhibits the same behavior...
                > provided that you are NOT using the "QuickLaunch" feature (which keeps a
                > part of the browser "pre-loaded" in memory).
                >
                > Also, I noticed a related behavior using Opera: if Opera is closed, I
                > get an odd message saying that "Windows cannot find Opera.exe" (I
                > double-checked: the right path is set up in browsers.dat), but then
                > goes on to open Opera... and then, depending on the file name, Opera
                > cannot find it (apparently it gets truncated if it contains a comma,
                > for instance). If Opera is already opened, however, it works fine.
                >
                > There is a filed bug with Mozilla about this problem, or one very
                > similar to it (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=263701) but
                > after finding the thing about Opera, I'm beginning to think there might
                > be also a bug in the way Notetab forms the command-line.
                >
                > MCBastos

                This 'View In Browser' info is not correct in my experience. Since I
                began using 'NoteTab' & 'View In Browser' I've used Netscape, up to the
                most recent version of Mozilla -Mozilla.org stopped updating Mozilla and
                concentrated the effort on Seamonkey. I've also used FireFox and on a
                limited basis, used several IE versions.

                Seamonkey currently appears to be Mozilla's predecessor, offspring if
                you like, Seamonkey is now my primary browser. I added Opera, since it
                became a free downloaded, for familiarization.

                I recall a minor problem with Opera, similar to -"Windows cannot find
                Opera.exe"-, which, if I recall correctly, was a path problem, I believe
                because I allowed Windows/Opera default to be the initial install
                location. I moved it, it works perfectly now.

                I haven't had a problem, other than the path problem mentioned, with any
                of these browsers and 'View In Browser' in NoteTab, that is, except with
                FireFox.

                I also used 'QuickLaunch' in the beginning but do not, and, have not,
                used it for a very long time and Mozilla, Seamonkey, Opera and IE always
                display the correct page, correctly, without being loaded into memory
                beforehand.

                I was never able to get FireFox to, dependably, display a page
                correctly. I don't know what the problem is, I don't think it's a
                NoteTab problem, I think it's strictly a FireFox problem.

                I've shared parts of my 'browsers.dat' file and would do so again. As
                someone else said this has been discussed before on these lists and most
                of the information is on Yahoo and in the archives. My browsers.dat may
                not be helpful to others but it is how I always start my different
                browsers from within NoteTab.

                ºvº
                05.09.28
                hrs > hsavage@...
              • hsavage
                ... To be clear I must point out that I used the incorrect term above, should have read, Mozilla s successor . Another possible reason for lack of current
                Message 7 of 15 , Sep 28, 2005
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                  hsavage wrote:
                  >
                  > Seamonkey currently appears to be Mozilla's predecessor, offspring if
                  > you like, Seamonkey is now my primary browser. I added Opera, since it
                  > became a free downloaded, for familiarization.

                  To be clear I must point out that I used the incorrect term above,
                  should have read, 'Mozilla's successor'. Another possible reason for
                  lack of current support in Mozilla is they may be waiting for the newest
                  version of Gecko, the browser engine.

                  ºvº
                  05.09.29
                  hrs > hsavage@...
                • melchior prisi
                  Hi, ... I wrote a Clip to make Firefox behave like it should: Opens current html document in Firefox. • If Firefox already shows the file it will be reloaded
                  Message 8 of 15 , Oct 1, 2005
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                    Hi,

                    ----- on 28.09.2005 21:15 Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                    > Now for the weird part: When FF launches it opens two Tabs.(...)

                    I wrote a Clip to make Firefox behave like it should:


                    Opens current html document in Firefox.
                    • If Firefox already shows the file
                    it will be reloaded in the same tab.
                    • If you use to have more than 10 open tabs
                    in your browser, edit line 20.
                    • On slower machines you might have to
                    adjust delays on lines 8 and 10.
                    • On line 13 insert your path to firefox.exe.
                    Don't forget the quotes.
                    • Requires Function »GETTITLE« (see below).

                    Tested on Windows XP with Firefox 1.0.7
                    Doesn't work with files without a <title>Title</title>

                    If your Firefox installation contains extensions related
                    to tabbed browsing, you might have to edit some details.


                    ;----- copy: -----
                    H="SOLOFOX"
                    ;REQUIRES FUNCTION »GETTITLE«
                    ;LINE 15: ENTER YOUR PATH TO firefox.exe
                    ^!save
                    ;LONG LINE:
                    ^!set %url%=^$strlower(^$filetourl(^##)$)$; %tit%=^$gettitle(^##)$; %ct%=0
                    ;END OF LONG LINE
                    ^!ifappopen *Mozilla Firefox next else openfox
                    :try
                    ^!ifappopen ^%tit% - Mozilla Firefox next else err
                    ^!focusapp *Mozilla Firefox
                    ^!delay 1
                    :open
                    ^!keyboard ctrl+l &100 #^%url%# enter ctrl+f5
                    ^!goto exit
                    :openfox
                    ^!"FullPath\firefox.exe" ^##
                    ^!goto exit
                    :err
                    ^!focusapp *Mozilla Firefox
                    ^!delay 1
                    ^!keyboard ctrl+shift+tab
                    ^!inc %ct%
                    ^!if ^%ct% =< 10 next else skip_1
                    ^!goto try
                    ^!ifsame "^$getapptitle$" "Mozilla Firefox" skip_1
                    ^!keyboard ctrl+t
                    ^!delay 1
                    ^!keyboard ctrl+l #^%url%# enter ctrl+f5

                    H="_GETTITLE"
                    ^!set %fftxt%=^$strlower(^$getfiletext(^&)$)$
                    ^!setlistdelimiter </title>
                    ^!setarray %fftxt%=^%fftxt%
                    ^!set %fftxt%=^%fftxt1%
                    ^!setlistdelimiter <title>
                    ^!setarray %fftxt%=^%fftxt%
                    ^!result ^$strupper(^%fftxt2%)$
                    ;----- /copy -----



                    Regards,
                    Melchior


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                  • Rob Henrichon of On Track Computer Solut
                    How do you make this function as it just sits in the library as a clip? In other words - what do you do with this clip? Rob Henrichon ... From:
                    Message 9 of 15 , Oct 1, 2005
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                      How do you "make this function" as it just sits in the library as a clip?
                      In other words - what do you do with this clip?

                      Rob Henrichon

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                      From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com]On
                      Behalf Of melchior prisi
                      Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 6:32 PM
                      To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [NH] wierd behavior in FoxFire


                      Hi,

                      ----- on 28.09.2005 21:15 Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
                      > Now for the weird part: When FF launches it opens two Tabs.(...)

                      I wrote a Clip to make Firefox behave like it should:


                      Opens current html document in Firefox.
                      • If Firefox already shows the file
                      it will be reloaded in the same tab.
                      • If you use to have more than 10 open tabs
                      in your browser, edit line 20.
                      • On slower machines you might have to
                      adjust delays on lines 8 and 10.
                      • On line 13 insert your path to firefox.exe.
                      Don't forget the quotes.
                      • Requires Function »GETTITLE« (see below).

                      Tested on Windows XP with Firefox 1.0.7
                      Doesn't work with files without a <title>Title</title>

                      If your Firefox installation contains extensions related
                      to tabbed browsing, you might have to edit some details.


                      ;----- copy: -----
                      H="SOLOFOX"
                      ;REQUIRES FUNCTION »GETTITLE«
                      ;LINE 15: ENTER YOUR PATH TO firefox.exe
                      ^!save
                      ;LONG LINE:
                      ^!set %url%=^$strlower(^$filetourl(^##)$)$; %tit%=^$gettitle(^##)$; %ct%=0
                      ;END OF LONG LINE
                      ^!ifappopen *Mozilla Firefox next else openfox
                      :try
                      ^!ifappopen ^%tit% - Mozilla Firefox next else err
                      ^!focusapp *Mozilla Firefox
                      ^!delay 1
                      :open
                      ^!keyboard ctrl+l &100 #^%url%# enter ctrl+f5
                      ^!goto exit
                      :openfox
                      ^!"FullPath\firefox.exe" ^##
                      ^!goto exit
                      :err
                      ^!focusapp *Mozilla Firefox
                      ^!delay 1
                      ^!keyboard ctrl+shift+tab
                      ^!inc %ct%
                      ^!if ^%ct% =< 10 next else skip_1
                      ^!goto try
                      ^!ifsame "^$getapptitle$" "Mozilla Firefox" skip_1
                      ^!keyboard ctrl+t
                      ^!delay 1
                      ^!keyboard ctrl+l #^%url%# enter ctrl+f5

                      H="_GETTITLE"
                      ^!set %fftxt%=^$strlower(^$getfiletext(^&)$)$
                      ^!setlistdelimiter </title>
                      ^!setarray %fftxt%=^%fftxt%
                      ^!set %fftxt%=^%fftxt1%
                      ^!setlistdelimiter <title>
                      ^!setarray %fftxt%=^%fftxt%
                      ^!result ^$strupper(^%fftxt2%)$
                      ;----- /copy -----



                      Regards,
                      Melchior


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                    • melchior prisi
                      Hi Rob ... The function gettitle is called from the main clip: %tit%=^$gettitle(^##)$. It reads the title tag of the given document. Later in the main clip
                      Message 10 of 15 , Oct 2, 2005
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                        Hi Rob

                        ----- on 02.10.2005 03:01 Rob Henrichon of On Track Computer Solutions
                        wrote:
                        > How do you "make this function" as it just sits in the library as a
                        > clip? In other words - what do you do with this clip?

                        The function "gettitle" is called from the
                        main clip: %tit%=^$gettitle(^##)$.

                        It reads the title tag of the given document.

                        Later in the main clip %tit% is used to check
                        if the document is already open in a firefox tab.

                        If the document is not found in 10 tabs it will
                        be opened in a new tab.

                        The code of "getttitle" could also be noted
                        directly in the main clip.

                        The advantage of functions is, that you can
                        call them from every clip (in the same library),
                        so you don't have to write often used routines again and again.

                        On Functions see also NoteTab's clip help
                        under "Custom Functions".



                        Regards,
                        Melchior


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                      • Rob Henrichon of On Track Computer Solut
                        I believe I was not specific enough - in other words, what are the specific steps I need to do to make the clip work, starting from step 1 . . . Do I launch
                        Message 11 of 15 , Oct 4, 2005
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                          I believe I was not specific enough -

                          in other words, what are the specific steps I need to do to make the clip
                          work, starting from step 1 . . .
                          Do I launch the clip in a separate tab? then open the htm file etc etc etc.

                          PS can you resend the clip here if possible?


                          many Thanks

                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-html@yahoogroups.com]On
                          Behalf Of melchior prisi
                          Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 4:05 AM
                          To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [NH] wierd behavior in FoxFire


                          Hi Rob

                          ----- on 02.10.2005 03:01 Rob Henrichon of On Track Computer Solutions
                          wrote:
                          > How do you "make this function" as it just sits in the library as a
                          > clip? In other words - what do you do with this clip?

                          The function "gettitle" is called from the
                          main clip: %tit%=^$gettitle(^##)$.

                          It reads the title tag of the given document.

                          Later in the main clip %tit% is used to check
                          if the document is already open in a firefox tab.

                          If the document is not found in 10 tabs it will
                          be opened in a new tab.

                          The code of "getttitle" could also be noted
                          directly in the main clip.

                          The advantage of functions is, that you can
                          call them from every clip (in the same library),
                          so you don't have to write often used routines again and again.

                          On Functions see also NoteTab's clip help
                          under "Custom Functions".



                          Regards,
                          Melchior


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                        • melchior prisi
                          Hi Rob ... I hope the following will help yo to install and use the clips. Regards, Melchior Here we go: Step 1: Open Notetab. If you cannot see the Clipbook,
                          Message 12 of 15 , Oct 5, 2005
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                            Hi Rob

                            ----- on 05.10.2005 08:16 Rob Henrichon of On Track Computer Solutions
                            wrote:
                            > in other words, what are the specific steps I need to do to make the
                            > clip work, starting from step 1 . . . Do I launch the clip in a
                            > separate tab? then open the htm file etc etc etc.
                            >
                            > PS can you resend the clip here if possible?
                            >

                            I hope the following will help yo to install and use
                            the clips.

                            Regards,
                            Melchior


                            Here we go:

                            Step 1:
                            Open Notetab.
                            If you cannot see the Clipbook, open it by pressing F4

                            To test an unknown clip, you might want to create
                            a new library which you can simply delete if results
                            are not as expected:
                            Right click in the title field of the clipbook and
                            select "new". Choose a name for the new library and
                            click o.k.

                            Now select the clip(s) from the line
                            H="SOLOFOX"
                            to the line
                            ^!result ^$strupper(^%fftxt2%)$
                            and copy them to the clipboard.

                            On the new library you then right click
                            and select "Add from Clibboard"

                            Now you should see both clips in your clipbook.
                            The title of "GETTITLE" is grayed out: This function
                            is not intendet to be launched by clicking on it but
                            is called from "SOLOFOX".


                            Step 2
                            Right click on SOLOFOX and choose "Edit Clip"
                            Make shure, that the line between ";LONG LINE:" and ";END OF LONG LINE"
                            which begins with "^!set %url%..." is just one long line.

                            On line 16 replace the string "FullPath\firefox.exe"
                            with the real path to firefox.exe on your machine.
                            On Windows this might be something like
                            C:\program files\mozilla firefox\firefox.exe

                            Note: do not remove the quotes.

                            Now save (ctrl+S or File/Save) and close the clip tab.

                            The clip should now be ready to run.


                            Step 3
                            Open a html document in NoteTab Pro
                            (The clip should work in NT Light too, but
                            I did'nt test it)

                            Click (or doubleclick - this depends on your settings)
                            SOLOFOX

                            The clip opens the current html document in Firefox.
                            • If Firefox already shows the file
                            it will be reloaded in the same tab.
                            • If you use to have more than 10 open tabs
                            in your browser, edit line 23.
                            • On slower machines you might have to
                            adjust delays on lines 13 and 20.


                            Tested on Windows XP with Firefox 1.0.7
                            Doesn't work with files without a <title>Title</title>

                            If your Firefox installation contains extensions related
                            to tabbed browsing, you might have to edit some details.



                            ;----- copy: -----
                            H="SOLOFOX"
                            ;REQUIRES FUNCTION »GETTITLE«
                            ;LINE 15: ENTER YOUR PATH TO firefox.exe
                            ^!save
                            ;LONG LINE:
                            ^!set %url%=^$strlower(^$filetourl(^##)$)$; %tit%=^$gettitle(^##)$; %ct%=0
                            ;END OF LONG LINE
                            ^!ifappopen *Mozilla Firefox next else openfox
                            :try
                            ^!ifappopen ^%tit% - Mozilla Firefox next else err
                            ^!focusapp *Mozilla Firefox
                            ^!delay 1
                            :open
                            ^!keyboard ctrl+l &100 #^%url%# enter ctrl+f5
                            ^!goto exit
                            :openfox
                            ^!"FullPath\firefox.exe" ^##
                            ^!goto exit
                            :err
                            ^!focusapp *Mozilla Firefox
                            ^!delay 1
                            ^!keyboard ctrl+shift+tab
                            ^!inc %ct%
                            ^!if ^%ct% =< 10 next else skip_1
                            ^!goto try
                            ^!ifsame "^$getapptitle$" "Mozilla Firefox" skip_1
                            ^!keyboard ctrl+t
                            ^!delay 1
                            ^!keyboard ctrl+l #^%url%# enter ctrl+f5

                            H="_GETTITLE"
                            ^!set %fftxt%=^$strlower(^$getfiletext(^&)$)$
                            ^!setlistdelimiter </title>
                            ^!setarray %fftxt%=^%fftxt%
                            ^!set %fftxt%=^%fftxt1%
                            ^!setlistdelimiter <title>
                            ^!setarray %fftxt%=^%fftxt%
                            ^!result ^$strupper(^%fftxt2%)$
                            ;----- /copy -----



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