Re: [NTB] Editing pages created in MS Frontpage
- I'm going to reply to this on the HTML list.
I have been watching this exchange with some interest. I started out
years ago using a WYSIWYG editor but 'saw the light' thanks to some
designers who are real purists and would never touch one - especially
Front Page. [Eeeeek!] (I hear that even Dreamweaver doesn't get it
quite right and requires a good cleaning up.) Now, I handcode all my
sites with browser compatibility and user accessibility in mind.
Writing beautiful code is an art in which I take great pride. Besides,
working with a blank canvas is much more exciting and satisfying than
painting by the numbers.
--- David Smart <smartware@...> wrote:
> Most of what you're saying is perfectly correct, but tends to miss------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> the point a bit IMHO. The same argument could easily be used towards
> writing all software in assembler.
> But it ain't done, because it's slower. Only software considered
> time critical is coded in assembler. Only web pages considered
> download-time-critical can justify being hand coded. (I must admit I
> tend to hand-code - using a combination of NoteTab and Arachnophilia,
> but I certainly can't claim that it's cost-justified.)
> Essentially, the technology will move on (CPU speed and disk space
> for compilers, link speed for web pages) and the inefficiencies of
> the automation tool are absorbed. (I don't accept the server-space
> argument for web pages - they're tiny compared to other things, and
> pretty insignificant on today's large disks.)
> Of course, the idea of any web automation tool producing an end
> result that is not compatible with all browsers is a totally
> different story.
> Dave S
> PS - I acknowledge that this is better off the [NTB] list. But I
> don't take that one, so have popped this last message here.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Scism
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org ; email@example.com
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 1:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [NTB] Editing pages created in MS Frontpage
> Copying this to: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Please continue the discussion there...
> "What you see is what you get (WYSIWYG)" vs. Coding by NoteTab
> The MAIN issues with WYSIWYG coding is that it is BULKY,
> redundant, and
> consumes way too much server space, and takes a LOT longer to
> upload, view and update.
> A single line in most programs is ALMOST treated as a stand alone
> page, with each line having all attributes inserted, (the STYLE
> be set for the document as a whole), and then each line within
> have a default setting, WYSIWYG Programs can expand a document to
> times it's "efficient" size.
> If it is one or two pages it generally is no big deal, but if you
> presenting a LARGE database it slows the loading of the pages to
> user, devours cache capacity, and slows the user's functionality,
> consuming MORE RAM availibility.
> It can also cause compatibility issues as some web page creation
> "tools" are non-standard in code usage and have proprietary codes
> only they interpret correctly.
> The reason to use NOTETAB as a tool is that
> 1. The HTML-ar library will teach you how to code HTML by daily
> use, you
> can see what does what and why. This means when you have a problem
> can't fix in WYSIWYG, you can look at the source code and SEE what
> wrong. (I sometimes will code in NoteTab, run into a coding
> problem, run
> it through a WYSIWYG, and then rerun it through NoteTab to clean
> codes, as some of the WYSIWYG programs will correct subtle code
> ommissions automatically (Composer))
> 2. Verificcation with HTML coding standards is easily done through
> HTML-Tidy and through HTML validation applications, and editing
> easy with on page replacement of text, and in Standard and Pro
> directory replacements of text.
> NoteTab also facilitates quick viewing of the Coded pages BEFORE
> <<I agree with you that FrontPage generated HTML is nasty, but it's
> never meant to be looked at. Consider it more like object code
> from a
> compiler, with the source code being the (sort-of) WYSIWYG display
> FrontPage. If you look at the output of any compiler, the machine
> is certainly nowhere near as "nice" as you'd write by yourself in
> Jeffery G. Scism. IBSSG
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