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Re: [NH] Word 2002 to HTML

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  • John Zeman
    Ray have you considered using the alt tag in your images? That s the tag which displays text when you position your mouse pointer over a image in a web page.
    Message 1 of 18 , Nov 7, 2003
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      Ray have you considered using the alt tag in your images? That's the
      tag which displays text when you position your mouse pointer over a
      image in a web page. A sample of alt tag usage is below:

      <img src="images/cedar-creek-title1.gif" width="300" height="171"
      alt="Cedar Creek Logo">

      Where
      alt="Cedar Creek Logo"
      is the alt tag.

      If you really want to rename several files instead, I wrote a clip a
      couple years ago that does mass file renaming, but since switching to
      the Directory Opus file manager last spring I quit using it..

      I probably still have that clip around here somewhere in the cobwebs
      though. :)

      John



      --- In ntb-html@yahoogroups.com, R Shapp <ras45@o...> wrote:
      > Hi Greg and Hugo,
      >
      > That Filtered HTML mode is exactly what I needed! I now have
      reasonably
      > tractable HTML coding that I can paste into the proper templates.
      >
      > Do you have any suggestions about an efficient way to give the
      image files
      > unique names? Right now, all the images from each conversion begin
      with the
      > name "image001.gif" and progress in numerical sequence. I'd like a
      way to
      > replace "image" with a unique string that is related to the content
      of the
      > original paper. I can use the NoteTab Replace Text feature to
      change all the
      > hyperlinks within the source HTML. Do you know of a way to rename
      batches of
      > files in Windows Explorer folders? The renaming feature for
      batches of files
      > in Explorer introduces parentheses in the names. I don't think
      that would be
      > acceptable to the file naming conventions on the website.
      >
      > Hugo, The use of separate folders for the image files of each
      paper is a good
      > fall-back solution if NoteTab doesn't already have a renaming
      function for
      > batches of files. I seem to remember that NoteTab has a way to
      manipulate
      > file names -- maybe via the use of regular expressions???
      >
      > Thanks again for the great help.
      >
      > Ray Shapp
    • Alec Burgess
      ... the ... v2)). ... The copy as HTML feature sounds neat. I ve got Office 2002 I tried searching in Word 2002 s Help for copy as html hoping it had been
      Message 2 of 18 , Nov 7, 2003
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        Greg:

        > WORD2000 users can obtain a plug-in from the Microsoft site, which does
        the
        > same job. (Search for the file "msohtmf2.exe" (MS Office HTML Filter
        v2)).
        > Apart from the main filter, it introduces some nice little tricks such as
        > "Copy as HTML" For example, if you find it tricky to create the raw code
        > for intricate patterns of nested tables, then create them in WORD and use
        > the "Copy as HTML" feature to paste them into NoteTab! :-)

        The copy as HTML feature sounds neat. I've got Office 2002
        I tried searching in Word 2002's Help for "copy as html" hoping it had been
        supplied as standard - no joy
        Ditto checking Word-Tools-Options-General-Web Options
        Ditto Google: "copy as html" "Office 2002"
        Ditto d/l'ing and attempting to install w/fingers crossed (You don't have
        Office 2000 - ya, I know :-( )

        Any suggestions? - noting that you said you'd "only seen WORD2002 once" :-)
        I guess "Save as ... filtered HTML", open in browser and then "Copy partial
        source" would work though

        Regards ... Alec
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        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Greg Chapman" <greg@...>
        To: <ntb-html@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 03:51
        Subject: [klb: RE: [NH] Word 2002 to HTML


        > Hi Ray,
        >
        > > I save the documents to disk then open them in Word 2002 and use
        > > File > "Save
        > > as Web Page..." with a file extension of "htm".
        >
        > That is probably your big mistake! :-)
        >
        > I use WORD2000, and have only seen WORD2002 once. However, it was a long
        > enough glance to notice that there is a "Filtered HTML" type. That's what
        > you need for uploading to the web.
        >
        > The "Save as Web page" should be reserved for round-tripping to non-MS
        word
        > processors. It was Microsoft's attempt to highjack HTML as an internal
        > format for WORD. As you see, if you look at the style sheet code, it's
        > there to allow you to preserve all the word-processor possible but
        > HTML-impossible formatting. For web purposes its useless bloat.
      • R Shapp
        Hi John and Alec, Yes, I always use the alt tag -- Tidy demands it.
        Message 3 of 18 , Nov 7, 2003
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          Hi John and Alec,

          <<have you considered using the alt tag in your images?>>

          Yes, I always use the alt tag -- Tidy demands it.

          <<"Save as ... filtered HTML", >>

          I don't use Word 2000 anymore, but in Word 2002, the Save as... Save as Type
          window option is "Web Page, Filtered (*.htm; *.html)".

          <<since switching to the Directory Opus file manager last spring >>

          That comment got me looking for file renaming utilities, and I settled on
          Flash Renamer by rl vision ( http://www.rlvision.com/ ).

          Problem solved!

          Thanks to all who helped.

          Ray Shapp
        • John Zeman
          Glad you found your answer Ray.. I have to admit I ve been kicking myself in the head ever since I posted what I did about using the alt tag because there
          Message 4 of 18 , Nov 7, 2003
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            Glad you found your answer Ray..

            I have to admit I've been kicking myself in the head ever since I
            posted what I did about using the "alt tag" because there ain't no
            such animal as an alt tag. I have bad habit of misusing the HTML
            term of "tag". I know what a tag is, but I tend to use that term
            where I really shouldn't. Just to set the record straight, the
            alt "tag" is really an "attribute" of the img element (and other
            elements as well).

            Thanks to all for not taking me to the woodshed for inaccurately
            stating things before..

            John


            --- In ntb-html@yahoogroups.com, R Shapp <ras45@o...> wrote:
            > Hi John and Alec,
            >
            > <<have you considered using the alt tag in your images?>>

            > Problem solved!
            >
            > Thanks to all who helped.
            >
            > Ray Shapp
          • Larry Hamilton
            ... I have Word 2002 at work, and hate its efforts at HTML. I have also had others send me web pages created by Word 2002. I will keep the suggestions in mind
            Message 5 of 18 , Nov 9, 2003
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              Alec Burgess wrote:
              > Ditto d/l'ing and attempting to install w/fingers crossed (You don't
              > have Office 2000 - ya, I know :-( )
              >
              > Any suggestions? - noting that you said you'd "only seen WORD2002
              > once" :-) I guess "Save as ... filtered HTML", open in browser and
              > then "Copy partial source" would work though
              >
              > Regards ... Alec

              I have Word 2002 at work, and hate its efforts at HTML. I have also had
              others send me web pages created by Word 2002.

              I will keep the suggestions in mind next time.

              What I have found works best with pre-existing HTML created by Word 2002 is
              to open it with Open Office. When it is saved, it cleans out the
              non-essential stuff. If I recall it works best if you use Word to save the
              HTML document as a DOC then open in Open Office and save as HTML. It is a
              big download, but I find it worth it to not have to fiddle with trying to
              clean up the MS non-standard HTML.

              Larry Hamilton
              lmh@...
              http://notlimah.tripod.com/
            • Adrian/ Rosemary Worsfold
              I see what Larry Hamilton says about Open Office and cleaning up or producing better HTML. Open Office also allows editing and producing Powerpoint files. But
              Message 6 of 18 , Nov 9, 2003
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                I see what Larry Hamilton says about Open Office and cleaning up or producing
                better HTML. Open Office also allows editing and producing Powerpoint files.
                But it is too awkward and unreliable. How does 602Text compare? To me its
                HTML is a half way house with a long internal style sheet, and a lot of classes
                and repeated styles after every paragraph opening tag:

                <.p class="Normal" style="text-indent: -39px; margin-left: 39px; font-size:
                12pt; ">

                It is hopeless at importing a .doc document generated by Word, and especially
                with tables (they all are) and the html out is unreliable in effect. Humans are
                the most economical and efficient. But Textshield (rtf writer that reads .doc,
                adds images, and saves several ways) didn't do too badly, with no style sheet
                but repeated styles, except what should have been ULs became OLs. (..
                added)

                <BODY bgcolor=White>

                <.p align="center" style="text-indent: 0; margin-left: 0; margin-right: 0">
                <.FONT FACE="Comic Sans MS" SIZE=+1 COLOR=WindowText>
                <.span style="background-color: Window">
                <.font size="3">.<.U>Families.<./P>
                <.p style="text-indent: 0; margin-left: 0; margin-right: 0">.<./P>
                <.p style="text-indent: 0; margin-left: 0; margin-right: 0">.<./U>Today it is
                recognised that families come in all shapes and sizes. It used to be easy to
                define a family. It meant two parents and 2.4 children, as an average. Now
                families exist:.<./P>
                <.p style="text-indent: 0; margin-left: 0; margin-right: 0">.<./P>
                <.p style="text-indent: 18; margin-left: 0; margin-right: 0">.<.OL>
                <.LI>With one or two parents.<./LI>.<.LI>
                Parents who are married or unmarried.<./LI>.<.LI>
                Parents of two sexes and occasionally one.<./LI>.<.LI>
                Adults with children and without children.<./LI>.<.LI>
                Three generations or more in one house.<./LI>.<.LI>
                Children of different partners with one parent in common.<./LI>.<.LI>
                Children alternating between parents' houses.<./LI>.<.LI>
                Some children knowing four parents each and eight grandparents.<./LI>.<.LI>
                Some children knowing even more!.<./LI>.<.LI>
                Some children not genetically their parentsÂ’ children (being adopted and
                otherwise!).<./LI>
                <./LI>.<./OL>
                Was it ever really any different or is this just more recognised? Go around any
                graveyard and see clues; look at the half-truths revealed and concealed in any
                family tree exercise (is genealogy deception?)..<./P>


                Adrian Worsfold

                http://www.pluralist.co.uk
              • Mark McLaughlin
                Further to this topic folks may want to check out the Demoroniser: http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/demoroniser/ It s designed to clean up HTML that was
                Message 7 of 18 , Nov 10, 2003
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                  Further to this topic folks may want to check out the Demoroniser:

                  http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/demoroniser/


                  It's designed to clean up HTML that was written by Micro$oft
                  applications.


                  Cheers


                  Mark McLaughlin
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                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > From: R Shapp [mailto:ras45@...]
                  > Sent: November 6, 2003 7:37 PM
                  > To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: [NH] Word 2002 to HTML
                  >
                  >
                  > Hi Group,
                  >
                  > I need help converting Word documents to web pages ..snip...
                • Greg Chapman
                  Hi Alec, Sorry! Just realised I never responded.... ... And the answer is no! :-( A student brought his own laptop to a session I was running. It really was
                  Message 8 of 18 , Nov 17, 2003
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                    Hi Alec,

                    Sorry! Just realised I never responded....

                    > The copy as HTML feature sounds neat. I've got Office 2002
                    > I tried searching in Word 2002's Help for "copy as html" hoping
                    > it had been supplied as standard - no joy
                    > Ditto checking Word-Tools-Options-General-Web Options
                    > Ditto Google: "copy as html" "Office 2002"
                    > Ditto d/l'ing and attempting to install w/fingers crossed (You don't have
                    > Office 2000 - ya, I know :-( )
                    >
                    > Any suggestions? - noting that you said you'd "only seen WORD2002
                    > once" :-)

                    And the answer is no! :-(

                    A student brought his own laptop to a session I was running. It really was
                    "only seen once"!

                    All I could do is send you a zipped WORD file which includes screen dumps of
                    the various filter windows - to show you what you are missing!

                    Greg
                  • Kathy Jungjohann
                    Greg, That must be where I going wrong as well: Not setting the filter options right ... even choosing filtered html leaves all the junk in ... Please send
                    Message 9 of 18 , Nov 17, 2003
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                      Greg,
                      That must be where I going wrong as well:
                      Not setting the filter options right ...
                      even choosing filtered html leaves all the junk in ...
                      Please send screen snaps to me as well ...

                      Kathy

                      > > Any suggestions? - noting that you said you'd "only seen WORD2002
                      > > once" :-)
                      >And the answer is no! :-(
                      >All I could do is send you a zipped WORD file which includes screen dumps of
                      >the various filter windows - to show you what you are missing!
                      >
                      >Greg
                    • Greg Chapman
                      Hi Kathy, ... You have been following the thread and are aware that the HTML Filter (msohtmf2.exe) only works in WORD 2000, not 2002, aren t you? I ve uploaded
                      Message 10 of 18 , Nov 17, 2003
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                        Hi Kathy,

                        > That must be where I going wrong as well:
                        > Not setting the filter options right ...
                        > even choosing filtered html leaves all the junk in ...
                        > Please send screen snaps to me as well ...

                        You have been following the thread and are aware that the HTML Filter
                        (msohtmf2.exe) only works in WORD 2000, not 2002, aren't you?

                        I've uploaded to the link below a file containing text extracted from a
                        couple of pages from the MS Support site, which provide installation and
                        some usage instructions, and some screen dumps showing the window appearance
                        and options screen.

                        Visit:
                        http://www.eastwalton.fsworld.co.uk/HTMLFilterNotes.zip

                        Greg
                      • Kathy Jungjohann
                        Yes, have been following thread ... been meaning to jump in ... It s only with 2002 that I haven t been able to solve the conversion problem. (Oh, for the good
                        Message 11 of 18 , Nov 17, 2003
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                          Yes, have been following thread ... been meaning to jump in ...
                          It's only with 2002 that I haven't been able to solve the conversion problem.
                          (Oh, for the good ol' days of a simpler Word conversion ...)
                          There are a lot of alt characters in the text I need to convert - accented
                          letters.
                          Texism used to work until he rewrote the program and it replaced all
                          accented letters with question marks - no matter how I tried saving the
                          file!! (Maybe he's rewritten it again since I quit using it, and it is now
                          more successful ...) http://textism.com/wordcleaner/

                          Thanks,
                          Kathy

                          >You have been following the thread and are aware that the HTML Filter
                          >(msohtmf2.exe) only works in WORD 2000, not 2002, aren't you?
                          >
                          >Visit:
                          >http://www.eastwalton.fsworld.co.uk/HTMLFilterNotes.zip
                          >
                          >Greg
                        • Alec Burgess
                          Greg: I ve found that the built-in Word 2002 option to save as ... web-filtered and then opening in a browser and using their Copy partial source is adequate
                          Message 12 of 18 , Nov 17, 2003
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                            Greg:

                            I've found that the built-in Word 2002 option to save as ... web-filtered
                            and then opening in a browser and using their Copy partial source is
                            adequate if clumsy.

                            Just for fun, I created a simple empty 2x2 table, saved as web-filtered,
                            opened in Notetab and ran Tidy against it. The error report showed just:
                            >>
                            line 8 column 1 - Warning: <style> lacks "type" attribute
                            line 37 column 1 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
                            <<
                            seems good enough to me :-)
                            I don't do enough with Word and/or HTML to be seriously bothered.

                            > All I could do is send you a zipped WORD file which includes screen
                            > dumps of the various filter windows - to show you what you are
                            > missing!

                            Please do.

                            Regards ... Alec
                            --

                            ---- Original Message ----
                            From: "Greg Chapman" <greg@...>
                            To: <ntb-html@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 08:31
                            Subject: [gla: RE: RE: [NH] Word 2002 to HTML

                            > Hi Alec,
                            >
                            > Sorry! Just realised I never responded....
                            >
                            >> The copy as HTML feature sounds neat. I've got Office 2002
                            >> I tried searching in Word 2002's Help for "copy as html" hoping
                            >> it had been supplied as standard - no joy
                            >> Ditto checking Word-Tools-Options-General-Web Options
                            >> Ditto Google: "copy as html" "Office 2002"
                            >> Ditto d/l'ing and attempting to install w/fingers crossed (You don't
                            >> have Office 2000 - ya, I know :-( )
                            >>
                            >> Any suggestions? - noting that you said you'd "only seen WORD2002
                            >> once" :-)
                            >
                            > And the answer is no! :-(
                            >
                            > A student brought his own laptop to a session I was running. It
                            > really was "only seen once"!
                            >
                            > All I could do is send you a zipped WORD file which includes screen
                            > dumps of the various filter windows - to show you what you are
                            > missing!
                          • Greg Chapman
                            Hi Alec, ... Hope the link: http://www.eastwalton.fsworld.co.uk/HTMLFilterNotes.zip sufficed! Greg
                            Message 13 of 18 , Nov 18, 2003
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                              Hi Alec,

                              > > All I could do is send you a zipped WORD file which includes screen
                              > > dumps of the various filter windows - to show you what you are
                              > > missing!
                              >
                              > Please do.

                              Hope the link:
                              http://www.eastwalton.fsworld.co.uk/HTMLFilterNotes.zip
                              sufficed!

                              Greg
                            • Alec Burgess
                              Thanks Greg. It looks like the Word 2002 save as ... Html-filtered does basically the same thing (possibly excluding some of the optional removals) but only
                              Message 14 of 18 , Nov 18, 2003
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                                Thanks Greg.

                                It looks like the Word 2002 "save as ... Html-filtered" does basically the
                                same thing (possibly excluding some of the optional removals) but only one
                                at a time.

                                I guess only Bill knows why it wasn't included in OfficeXP

                                Regards ... Alec
                                --

                                ---- Original Message ----
                                From: "Greg Chapman" <greg@...>
                                To: <ntb-html@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 05:11
                                Subject: [gla: RE: [NH] Word 2002 to HTML

                                > Hi Alec,
                                >
                                >>> All I could do is send you a zipped WORD file which includes screen
                                >>> dumps of the various filter windows - to show you what you are
                                >>> missing!
                                >>
                                >> Please do.
                                >
                                > Hope the link:
                                > http://www.eastwalton.fsworld.co.uk/HTMLFilterNotes.zip
                                > sufficed!
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