RE: [NH] Re: Different browsers
- Didn't mean to cause a heated conflict, but I do think this
is an important issue.
I think my view is due, in part, to the fact that I develop
mostly for business users rather than casual users or general
consumers. I don't care about "whiz" or "bang" unless it will
make me or my customers more money (and then I would suggest
One thing that might help everyone dealing with this question
is better statistics. Scott mentions that 20% of people use
something other than IE 5,5.5, or 6. That may be true, but
where do you get that stat? If we add in NS 4.7 or higher,
amd IE 4 what percentage are we up to?
I would direct people to:
This counts all the visitors to the Internet.com family of
sites (about 300 Million hits a month) and this shows
IE5.x 62%, IE6.x 25%, IE4.x 4% (that's 91%) and then
NS4.x 4% and NSother 1% The rest are all less than 1%.
This shows a very different view. With all IE at 62.7%,
all NS at 17.6%, and Opera with a surprising 11.4%
Which has three sources that all line up almost exactly
with my first example from Internet.com (though thay are
all different sources)
If anyone know good/better sources, please share!
Cooperation is good and I see a lot of it. However, without
the profit motive and, yes, <gasp> greed, not much would get
done. Open standards are great if there is a payoff in terms
of dollars instead of just a group hug...
From: Scott Fordin [mailto:sfordin@...]
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [NH] Re: Different browsers
I promise I won't say any more about this...
Jeff Burrows wrote:
> IE (4+) has been the best browserIf you don't mind massive security holes and Windows-only
> platform, by far, for creating interactive pages and web-based
> The standards have been trying to keep up withThe point is that HTML is an *open* standard. That means
> IE, and they have adopted almost everything that IE has had
> the research and development money to create and introduce.
no single company owns it. Microsoft, by pushing proprietary
extensions -- and now excluding things like Java, QuickTime,
and Netscape-style plugins -- is trying to usurp the platform-
neutral standard and turn it into something proprietary. If
Microsoft can own HTML, then they own e-commerce and can
dictate the directions content can go -- and charge for it
every step of the way. This a Bad Thing.
It's always easier to make whiz-bang stuff on a single
closed system. It takes more work -- and more cross-industry
cooperation -- to make stuff that's scalable and flexible.
> Just like so many other things in life, if we always aim forCooperation, in the long run, makes for better, more stable
> the lowest common denominator.
Now, if I may move away from philosophy and speak in
practical terms, there are people who <gasp> don't use
IE6 or IE5.5 or even IE5. 20% of millions may seem to
you to be statistically insignificant, but numerically
it's still a heck of a lot of people. Then there are the
people who are, say, vision-impaired, for whom many of
those whiz-bang features you adore are totally useless
at best. As much as you may want everyone to be in the
"fast lane" as described by Microsoft, the fact is *most*
people are not using the latest and, er, greatest. The
sign of a good developer is one whose products degrade
gracefully to operate on as wide a range hardware and
software as possible.
"Lambs turn into sheep when they enter the voting booth."
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Burrows" <jeffb2nd@...>
Sent: 19 February 2002 04:00
Subject: RE: [NH] Re: Different browsers
> One thing that might help everyone dealing with this question
> is better statistics. Scott mentions that 20% of people use
> something other than IE 5,5.5, or 6. That may be true, but
> where do you get that stat? If we add in NS 4.7 or higher,
> amd IE 4 what percentage are we up to?
> I would direct people to:
> This counts all the visitors to the Internet.com family of
> sites (about 300 Million hits a month) and this shows
> IE5.x 62%, IE6.x 25%, IE4.x 4% (that's 91%) and then
> NS4.x 4% and NSother 1% The rest are all less than 1%.
i have access to the stats of site which gets 16-18000 hits a day and
browser usage breaks down along the lines indicated by thecounter.com - all
versions of netscape account for a measly 5-6% on average, with explorer
consistently hitting 91-92%.
i've also seen traffic stats from smaller sites, which back these figures